Voter ID is not voter suppression

"... none of you gave 2 craps about the validity of elections ..."
a rather sweeping generalization wouldn't you say?
who has made it easier to cheat; not that they would of course,
leftists or republicans?

No matter how much you deflect you will never prove the election was "rigged" and it's fun how you and the Trump Cult PURPOSELY ignore the Trump supporters who got caught committing voter fraud.

Both sides have antidotal examples of fraud.

You are just pissed off Trump lost so you are acting like children having a tantrum

by the way I notice that normal relations have returned with Russia and all of sudden you slimy libs aren't crying about Putin and the greatest threat to the world every day.

oh well Biden MUST be the puppet of the Kremlin. Putin is no longer Russian Hitler yeah real convenient timing.

Putin is a scub bag that Trump bent the knee 2 move on to your next pile of crap

AND HES IN BED WITH BIDUNNNN

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

There is 100% proof Trump committed treason when he defended Putin against American intelligence on WORLD TV

We have never heard Biden do anything like that. but you go ahead and keep staring at your Trump poster

hahahahaha treason. and I bet you think Jan 6th was a war crime. you are just hilarious

Jan 6th? Does not matter what I think about it. It matters to the people who got arrested. ESPECIALLY the "Proud Boy" clowns

LOL Now go to real court and cry about it

why would I go to "real court" for any reason, much less to cry as you assume?

Can't help but notice that you didn't answer the question - talk about deflecting

We were not speaking to you and we are not obligated to answer any of your questions anyway. You would not like the answer and just cry more.

you mean like we saw from 2016 - 2020? did Trump claim Russian hookers were pissing on Biden? Biden being investigated? gawd. you really are a b-word

We don't recall Biden saying anything about Trump so what is your point?

We don't need to make crap up about Trump to hate him. There are plenty of LEGIT reasons that are PROVEN facts

As an ACTUAL Leftist - allow me to point out that the Democratic Party, is a Center-Right to Right institution. Compare versus the Peace and Freedom Party, if you have any doubts about who's a "socialist", and who isn't.

Tim Canova was a Progressive Candidate, running twice to challenge the Zionist Corporatist Warhawk - Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Just like $hillary and Biden cheated to screw Sanders...a DWS-affilliated DNCIA Party HACK, named Brenda Snipes screwed Canova, likely both times - 2016 and 2018.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/11/progressive-candidate-tim-canova-on-broward-county-ballot-fiasco-i-warned-for-months-that-brenda-snipes-is-a-serial-election-rigger/

But it was ONLY when Trump and the GOP's Ox that were being Gore'd (pun intended) in the 2018 DeSantis and Senate races, that anybody decided to do anything about Ms. Snipes, herself - but nothing about our insecure, easily rigged voting systems. And she was fired - not sent to prison, for rigging elections, and destruction of ballots/evidence.

https://blackboxvoting.org/proof-of-fraud/

The way that our elections are stolen is systematic and wholesale - not individualized and retail. Greg Palast has written several books about the way that excluding voters, and purging rolls, through things like Kris KKobach's "Interstate Crosscheck" (which had a higher than 90% rate of errors), has been a GOP staple. Democrats have their own tricks - usually using the Fractional Vote Counting Software, mentioned in the article from Black Box Voting, above - and also mail in ballots - which are an eady end-run around any kind of verification.

I say this as one of the people of (The) California (Republic state)... I don't want a Government issued ID - because that's Prima Facie evidence, that YOU are property of the Government, and collateral against the debt owed to the Federal Reserve. I have a RIGHT to be an Elector. "Voters" are what's known as "Qualified Electors". The 'qualification', is a step down in rights and citizenship - not a step up.

When Kris KKobach was allowed to convene a special commission, under Trump, to pursue allegations of "Voter Fraud", and people voting, who weren't entitled to... It didn't go anywhere...because that's not really 'a thing' - and they had to very quietly disband it... because they couldn't find any significant evidence to support the claim. The problem in this country is too many people who don't believe enough in the system to waste their time.

say after me - our elections are safe - there is no cheating - there was no fraud - Sanders lost - he lost - there is no evidence - Biden won fair and square

/s/arcasm? https://TDMSResearch.com has the receipts that show much of the theft. And there was also the "Shadow App" fiasco in Iowa, that stole the headlines and momentum from Sanders, and gave them to BootyJudge.

What rock have you been living under? The right has been calling for voter IDs long before Trump ran for election.

To be fair, the matter of voter ID was a big deal during the 2000 election, which came down to Florida, where there were 3 recounts and lots of questionable ballots. Remember the "hanging chads"? In fact in the 2000 election in Florida, ballots that ONLY voted for the President and no other representatives or local laws, were counted as "incomplete" and NOT COUNTED in Florida. After the 2000 election results were settled, many states, admittedly more conservative states, instituted voter ID laws. Voter ID laws in Texas, Florida, Georgia and even Delaware were all in effect years before 2016 or 2020.

Keep crying and keep spewing your Q bs

is "Q" shorthand for historical facts?

Does not matter what happened in the past it has no bearing on Trump losing and your crying about it.

But let us play your sad little what-about-ism game

If the past matters? The BLM has a justified reason to protest and then riot when police start to shove around peaceful protesters.

If the past matters? CRT should be getting taught in classrooms.

If the past matters? America is the only real threat to use weapons of mass destrction.

I could keep going but you are just going to keep crying and ignore the FACTS you don't like and pretend "right wingers" are blameless

The # 1 fact that makes us happy that we quit and canceled our support for the Trumplican Party 5 years ago is not even about Trump

It's about all you fake ass self title "patriots" who are anything but "patriots" and you don't love America

It's a riot that people who cry about "corrupt" government while they support and defend COPS

You are all so literally self brainwashed you can not even admit the most basic of FACTS about what America actually is

A police state

the proof of the fraud is I believe, the current resident
of the White House and his many handlers and minders

Never mind antithesis. He’s an avowed communist who never has any real proof of anything.

"the proof of the fraud is I believe, the current resident
of the White House and his many handlers and minders"

technically yes when you realize that super tuesday happened in the midst of a pandemic

yet, somehow I think you aren't
not in your nature, I believe

...you haven't got any proof, so, yes, I am done.

If I was to offer proof, you'd say "but... But... judges..."

Oh yes, we are done here.

When I went to vote in 2020, I was told that an absentee ballot had already been cast using my name. So I KNOW my vote was stolen.

Say only about 40-50% of registered voters get out and vote, which was typical for many years. Then ballots are counted for more than 100%, which is the new normal. That means the people who didn't vote have no way of knowing their vote was stolen. If anyone complains, then they just point to the thousands of absentee ballots, claim each and every one of 'em is legit, therefore voter fraud is impossible. That's literally how the 2020 election was run.

https://youtu.be/tez4CF4yUy4

Darko_yolo doesn't yet realize the irony of his statement...

I like how you included North Carolina in your outdated data/ Facebook meme that you posted below trying to portray 106% voter turnout.... I demand a recount of that state which Trump "won" !! This time only count the legal votes though.
;P

US voter turnout is historically ~ 60%-65% in federal elections.
Anything above is sus.

You gonna prove that claim? No? Then you're full of it

No judge ever ruled that there was no fraud;
at best for your argument, they ruled that
there was no "acceptable" evidence of fraud
nor complainants with adequate standing.

Perhaps you are confused about the difference
between "innocent" and "not guilty"

Generally, people who think they know what
"people'd say" are stretching for a win, I believe

what makes you think that I care whether you accept it?

You shouldn't. You should care that at least one court judge accepts it.

And they didn't.

Joe Biden and the progressives are destroying America,
you should care about that

I mean, it IS quite literally their job to be the people you have to prove it to. If THEY don't accept your proof, what do you think I'm supposed to do?

Most, if not all of the lawsuits were dismissed on issues such as wrong entity to file a lawsuit, or an improper method of filing. Not lack of evidence.

It definitely wasn't all. In fact, it wasn't even most. Read them and notice how many explicitly named lack of evidence or poor quality of evidence as the reason for dismissal.

That's... Not what I said, but okay...

Okay buddy. Whatever you say.

I have. And my point holds.
Saying "b- b- but judges!" over and over won't do anything, as it has already been addressed and refuted.

....that's correct, failing to impress a judge DOESN'T do anything. That's pretty much my point right there. You're trying to do something but it requires convincing a judge and you didn't.

In the days before civil rights laws, many anti-segregationist entities filed suits against the governments of certain states. Those suits were sometimes dismissed, and sometimes judged unfairly. A lot of the time, those suits would fail. Does that mean that inappropriate actions by Pro segregationists are non-existent? No. It's the same principle with the election lawsuits. Just because a court didn't take it up doesn't mean anything.

Yes it does. They didn't take it up because you didn't produce any proof when you had the chance.

See, I was right

It's still not "voter suppression" to ask voters to prove their eligibility to vote. That is just "common sense".

It would be "voter suppression" if, as you insinuate, eligible voters were denied the right to vote.

lol any form of government-enstated id is eligibility to vote, i.e. driver's license. another slip of paper would be another's waste of time

It is if you're shutting down their ways of proving their eligibility.

Prove you can vote! But not there. Or there. Or there. Well, I guess you can't vote, then.

No one is shutting down the capabilities to get IDs. It might take an extra 10 minute bus ride that's subsidized by the state.

Closing down places like that happen because there aren't enough taxes flowing in the geographic area the place resides. If there isn't enough tax payers to flow through the community , the state shuts them down.

Perhaps if these communities had more tax paying working people, instead of the poor population living off the state... Their places wouldn't get shut down.

The good thing about it is though - you can simply go to the next closest one. For me - in such a city ran by Democrats... They closed a couple and there are still 4 places you can go. They all work just fine. The other good thing is poorer people also get assistance in Bus Passes. They can literally ride to the other location in a bus, paid for by the state, to get such an ID.

Oh and all of the poorer people have to show an ID for SNAP or welfare assistance, for medical procedures at facilities. So the only people who would really be affected by this entire indignity you speak of are illegal immigrants who have no business voting anyway.

There's more evidence of fraud than of russian collusion

best comment of 2022 so far

70 judges say 🙈🙉🙊

So go get some evidence.

Actual evidence, this time.

I already have in many past conversations. You choose to ignore it, and call it conspiracy theories. So I'm not going to bother, because you're not even going to consider it.

I AM NOT A COURT JUDGE! IT IS NOT MY JOB TO HEAR YOUR GARBAGE EVIDENCE, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH A JUDGE!!!!

Someone's a bit upset...

Are you insisting that of the 20-40 million illegal immigrants in the US that none of them are voting?

Everyone of them was dishonest enough to hop the border or over stay their visa, BUT all of them are ethical enough to not vote as well?

You are a genius. A true a scholar of human behavior. If everyone was naive as you, the world would be a utopia.

"J.... J-j-j-j... JUUUUUUSDDGGGEESSS!!!!!!!"

Ttttt-t-trumpf.

On your part? Of course.
On mine? Not so much! :)

Your comment implies that you are now tossing law and order/judges out the window. I portrayed that.

Your response was list of things including what antifa/ anarchists, and whoever else did.

That is clearly a deflection, "whatabout-ism", etc. I Mean assuming time travel is still impossible, arson committed in 2019 has nothing to do with the lack of evidence in a court of law of voter fraud in 2020.

I'm waiting for you to see the redundancy in your comment.

That's cool. I'm waiting for you to actually say anything that negates what I said.

I mean disregarding "J.... J-j-j-j... JUUUUUUSDDGGGEESSS!!!!!!!" is quite a bold stance. But I guess you kind of have to do that in order to keep going with the
"muh frauddd-d-d" bullsh*t.

What I am saying is, yes, many cases were thrown out without the evidence being reviewed.
We care about law and order, which is incidentally why my argument stands. The illegal activities that took place during the election were ignored by our justice system. Try to understand that.

And as for your response to my response- nope. It is intended to show that you are hypocritical in your (red herring) accusation.

No, I am saying that simply falling back on "judges" is irrelevant to what is at hand. Just because those judges did not hear the case, does not mean that there was no evidence.

Just as your original comment was a red herring.

Actually, if you had read what I wrote, you'd see that it actually includes the 2020 election steal in there. So not really a what aboutism.

Of course, nothing I say will ever make you happy, and so I really should just say nothing but I am willing to give it a shot.

Judge Stephanos Bibas, on behalf of the three-judge panel:
“...calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

I could be wrong about this but I am assuming you think the "J.... J-j-j-j... JUUUUUUSDDGGGEESSS" are essentially lying and did not look at or consider the "evidence" provided, they simply threw out the cases without looking at anything. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If I am correct in that, and you think these and however many other judges are lying, then it would seem you do not have much regard for "law and order".

As far as your response to me.. nope. Even when considering that the election is among a list of other things, your comment is 100% a whataboutism.

You were responding to my claim that retrumplicans don't actually care that much about law and order..by claiming Dems also do not care much about law and order (because they allegedly "stole the election"). That is the textbook definition of a whataboutism.

You are free to say whatever you want. I would encourage you to back it up with relevant facts and/or sources.

Still waiting

Me too.

Since I did not pose the Q to you I did not bother reading your response. It's funny antithesis could not speak for himself though

This is actually a copy and paste of one of his other comments, I just replaced someone else's name with yours for context.

However, his point doesn't stand. As I gave said before, judges should be judged (no pun intended) case-by-case. And you should look into the reasoning behind the case. They didn't take the case (the Texas lawsuit, which is what I believe you are referring to) because of lack of evidence, but because of improper legal standing. I.E., Texas couldn't sue Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc. And in regards to the other cases, just because a judge didn't do anything, doesn't mean anything. Like my segregation example.

See, again, the lack of evidence or unacceptably poor quality of the evidence was directly mentioned in most of the 70 rulings. Standing was the issue in maybe five of them.

Which means you can't prove it. Which means that you made it up. THAT'S what it means.

Believe what you will. I've already refuted that point.

No. You didn't. 70 times, you failed to refute anything.

This is pointless. I've already addressed your argument.

Not to a court judge, you haven't.

Me, specifically?

Anyway, I've already refuded your appointment multiple times. So go on believing what you will.

No. You didn't. 70 times, you failed to refute anything.

And if you think you personally could do better than the RNC lawyers who worked on your behalf, get yourself a litigator and try it yourself.

That's because I haven't been to court.
If you think you roasted me, try again.

So you've no intention of pressing your case yourself, then? Just whining about it to randos on the internet?

Lol I said, you believe what you want. I've made my position very clear.

You did. Your position is factually wrong, though. Read the rulings.

Sorry, my autocorrect typed "lol" for some reason. Meant to say "like"

You mean like Bader Ginsberg being against taking a knee. Leftists didn’t attack her?

Which is it? Judges do their jobs right or not? Judges refused cases of voter fraud. So you think they do a good job
Judges also make decisions on voter rights. So when they say an ID is needed - they are still making good decisions.

You're correct that a government making it difficult to get a voter ID is suppression. Not having any requirements to verify ID, however, makes it extremely easy to commit fraud. And the easier it is, the more likely it will be to occur. When the anti-ID people get their way, and then lose the next election by 105%, they'll scream and demand sensible voter registration. The OP didn't need to explicitly make "fraud claims." I believe that it is in everyone's best interest to have fraud-free elections.

I honestly will switch sides on this issue when I see a genuine commitment from your side to make government services easily accessible for everyone.

But I do mean for EVERYONE, not just for suburban car drivers. And you're not even close that yet.

So what is your idea to make sure that fraud is difficult?

....check their identity at the point of registration.

See, your assertion that fraud is a problem kind of falls apart by the fact that you've never actually, you know... caught anyone doing it. 70 court cases and not one vote was ruled fraudulent. That's enough to sway exactly zero elections.

Nobel Physicist Dr. Richard Feynman devoted a chapter in one of his books to the risk management practices of NASA that led to the destruction of the Challenger. Your comment reminded me of the attitudes of the administrators that created the disaster.

The late great Feynman would be the first to tell you that if 70 court judges are rejecting the quality of your evidence, it's you that needs to do your homework.

My evidence? You're conflating me with the current crop of unhappy losers. I have not seen enough evidence to convince me that this election was stolen. Or any other...
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....soooooo.... then the point of this was....?

Voter ID is not suppression. Voter fraud will be easier if the people crying "suppression" relax the requirements. I know Obamacare issues a card, so what's wrong with some form of ID requirements to vote? When I start a new job, there's a page that shows a "1 from column A or 2 from column B" thing. I'm down with the same requirement for verifying the person casting the vote is who they say they are. When you said there's never been a problem, so why is it a problem, that was very NASA sounding.

That's the way NASA assessed risk during the space shuttle era. Cold weather was never a problem, until it was...

What?