When something is designed to do something, and it fails at doing it, they call that "Failure of essential purpose"

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The vaccine will not stop an individual from testing positive to a nasal swap test. Of course it is possible that a virus could be in the nasal passage of an inoculated individual should they be in the vicinity of someone who is breathing out the virus - even if that person only has it in their nasal passages. However, it does NOT mean the individual has covid19. The fact they have been vaccinated means they will NOT get covid19 (most likely) or if they do become symptomatic will have significantly less serious side effects. This is how vaccines work. Every year flu shots provide coverage in the exact same manner. Get a vaccine, and if exposed to the flu you either won't get the flu or it will less severe.
These hypothetical, strawman arguments are all political. Get the shot or wear a mask - you decide the risk you take and if you decide to NOT get vaccinated. If you get covid19, it is on you - not me.

Or maybe I acknowledge that covid isn’t a big deal & I just live my life normally. If you want to be a hypochondriac loon, go ahead, but LEAVE US ALONE.

Thing of it is hypochondriacs do tend to leave people alone. Famous ones like Howard Hughes or Howie Mandel never made crazy demands of others.

except when he (Hughes) made a 2 page report to his lakys how to serve him canned fruit

I don't think you understand the level of oddities that workers close to Hughes went through.

I'm all in favor of leaving everyone alone...including your loons.

While what you say is mostly true, these are not hypothetical strawmen arguments.

According to reports from Isreal and Singapore, which are both above 85% vaccinated, the vaccines are proving to be less than 40% effective in stopping people from actually getting sick. The UK is also showing the same results. Gibraltar, which is the only country with a 95%+ vaccinated rate now has the highest per capita infection rate in Europe.

In the U.S., we do not have good breakthrough rates to compare since the CDC explicitly does not report breakthrough cases.

While the vaccines do seem to somewhat reduce the severity of illness, they are not nearly as effective at stopping the spread as was first advertised. Rather than functioning as a prophylactic and stopping the disease, as they were designed to be, they are more of a therapeutic in their ability to treat the disease.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/vaccinated-people-singapore-make-up-three-quarters-recent-covid-19-cases-2021-07-23/

Aye . . . all of that for a form of the influenze with a 99.8% recovery rate and the vaccines themselves have got known and in some cases severe and permanent side effects.

If it doesn't grant immunity then ain't a vaccine. Also why isn't any other lab not connected to government or big pharm. not trying to make better vaccines? There was five or six Polio vaccines before Dr. Salk and his team came along finally put that particular nastiness to bed once and for all.

Careful...you might get labeled "British" by some fool here on imgflip.

I made the pentultimate response to your comment. Please upvote.

Awgh. You Brits and your "side effects". Here in the states we work off of basic biological pathogen capabilities. A less than 1 percent chance of getting a disease that is 97% survivable. Perhaps if you converted to LBs instead of Kilograms you would understand.

Also this is a comment made in jest about being potentially called a Brit.

Re: they are not nearly as effective at stopping the spread as was first advertised...

Every year we hear "Get a flu shot!"

Every year we see that "It only worked xx% of the time for us, but it worked 100% of the time for Big Pharma profits."

#1 Flu vax is FDA approved
#2 Covid vax is not

My doctor told me I didn't need the vaccine because I and my family already had the virus last year. He said that the T-cells left after the virus hold all the information needed to fight it effectively for years to come. These aren't anti-bodies, and already recognize emerging variants. He was right, cause when I was tested a month ago prior to a doctor checkup, I tested positive, and I never even knew I had it this time. No symptoms. The first time was like a flu.

" testing positive to a nasal swap test" (sic) I assume you mean Swab
"does NOT mean the individual has covid19."

"symptomatic will have significantly less serious side effects."... I had it, my Cold in 2020 (before Covid was a word) was worse... How much Less symptomatic can I get...

and I got the Monoclonal Antibody Treatment (Black Betty) the Next Business day after my Test Results, It made me sicker than Covid did... Why am I supposed to be afraid...

and "get the shot OR Wear a Mask" even the CDEC is back pedalling asking those With a Shot to put on their Face Panties again

Nice points. Glad someone here can think rationally and provide sound reasoning and arguments. All these conservative rights are now acting exactly like the left they complain about.

Groupthink? check.
Fear mongering? check.
Mocking and attacking opposing views? check.
Misinformation? check.

This independent is officially ending his support for the conservatives. Like antifa, you conservatives have become the very thing you swore to fight. Bunch of hypocrites.

You do sound like someone who thinks they are an "Independent" . . .

*Self righteous.
*Most intelligent person in the room.
*Total coward, unwilling to set aside their ego in order to realize that their eternal waffling has helped elect any number of liberal goon Democrats to office. But you took a stand! Yay for you.

Are there Republicans and Conservatives that are that in name only? You betcha, but only one Party has codified its desire to destroy this country, as seen in their National Platform.

A vote for ANY Democrat is a vote supporting the murder of unborn children. While neither side is perfect, one side has allied itself with evil. Full stop.

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Except it protects you from DYING from the virus so…..seems good to get.

"Except it protects you from DYING from the virus so…..seems good to get."

And you know this how? This is all still very, very new, and people are dying from the vaccines. It is a lot more complex than you seem to understand.

Because those dying are generally not vaccinated. 98-99% .
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

btw- The AP cannot be trusted anymore than the rest of liberal media.

The vaccines will allegedly improve the 99.8% survival rate to 99.82%- we will hardly know the difference.

Getting struck by lightning also has a 99.9% survival rate. But you don’t run around a field holding a golf club.

Dying from jumping off a 10 story building also has a 99.9% survival rate.

Both have an almost 100% DEATH rate however.

There’s a difference.

"Both have an almost 100% DEATH rate however.

There’s a difference."

The ignorance of a liberal never cease to amaze. The problem with your analogy is that you have only a 0.2% chance of dying from Covid, but nearly a 100% rate of living without serious consequence.

no, the death rate of COVID is about 2%. You are mixing survival rate with death rate.
Death rate = chance of death after being infected
Survival rate = the overall chance of dying from something. (100% minus the % chance of death from whatever)

So again, survival rate of jumping off a 10 story building is 99.9% (since so few people die from jumping off a building.)
BUT The death rate is basically 100% (of those that do jump.....about 100% die)

You still have not explained how immunity from contracting the actual virus is worse than the immunity allegedly obtained from these vaccines. I say allegedly because it is clearly not the panacea your type portray it to be given all of the people testing positive after having been vaccinated. And don't, please don't, say that "well, the symptoms will be lesser", because it is far too early to know that this is true. And regardless, if the vaccine can produce a partial immunity that reduces the severity of a later contraction, then the immunity I had will do no less.

You are really confused. And no, the death rate of Covid is not 2%, especially given that they have been clearly misidentifying the common flu as Covid. Moreover, the use of the PCR test was a mistake from the beginning, at least in the manner in which it has been used. Anything over 3-4 cycles in that test is likely to produce nonsense information- so says the inventor of the PCR test, who won the Nobel for it. They have been running it 30-40 cycles, and as predicted, you can pretty much manufacture anything you want doing that. So it is no surprise that when the WHO determined to lessen the number of cycles being used, there was an immediate 40% drop in new cases.

Again, confused, as this is nonsense: "BUT The death rate is basically 100% (of those that do jump.....about 100% die)"

For that to be a relevant analogy, 100% of people that contract Covid must die.

The antibodies from infection don’t last as long as the vaccine.

And clearly math isn’t your strong suit.

Neither is immunology.

I’ve never been a fan of PCR for reasons that are being presented. You can amplify crap. But it’s still sometimes the best way to do an assay.

We have other methods to determine Present or past infection. Regardless.

Good luck. I don’t care what you do or think personally. I’ll be fine.

"The antibodies from infection don’t last as long as the vaccine."

That is an imbecilic statement. The vaccines, apart from the mRNA one, trigger the body's immune system just as the actual virus does. At best, you are reciting Big Pharma's propaganda, or that of the liberal Media/politicians in order to get more people to get the vaccine.

Unreal.

"And clearly math isn’t your strong suit."

I am just fine with maths, the problem lies with either your logic, and/or your ability to communicate your point. Remember, you are a liberal, which invariably means you are a fool. And I mean "fool" in the biblical sense- you lack wisdom, and you are depraved.

"Good luck." Now there's an anti-science comment if ever there was one. Are you that much of a fool? I have already had it, and it did next to nothing to me. This nonsense about the vaccines being able to deal with future variants is pure hype- they may help, but they have zero way of knowing this.

"I don’t care what you do or think personally. I’ll be fine." Also radically unscientific. There are no long term studies on any of this because long term hasn't happened yet, so you cannot know if you are protected from infection, as we already know many people are picking it up after being jabbed, nor can you predict with. any. certainty. that you will never experience negative side effects.

Why do I bother? If you were reasonably intelligent, you would not still be a liberal to begin with.

Cool story bro

Deaths “from the vaccine.” Provide any legitimate source of information that shows this.

I know plenty about vaccines and what goes into them physically and figuratively as far as the research. People like you spread false information and then backpedal on it saying it’s your “opinion” so it’s somehow not wrong.

Honestly I don’t care if you get the vaccine or not. We need less stupid people in general and less Republican voters by extension.

Liberals are such fools.

Well, sorry about not dying, but I already had Covid, and I have had colds that were worse.

As to not knowing that people have been having serious, adverse reactions to the vaccines, including dying, how is it possible you don't already know this? It doesn't matter that you know what goes into vaccines in general, it's what is in these that matters. Unreal.

Produce any valid evidence to the deaths from the vaccine. I’m sure there are a few per million doses. Far lower than the death rate of contracting covid.

"Far lower than the death rate of contracting covid."

And yet the death rate from the vaccine when you do not take it is 0.00%

You say you understand vaccines. How is a vaccine, which triggers an immune response, better than a successful immune response obtained directly from the living virus?

Because the vaccine has a far less rate of death than the actual virus.

Except Black people by and large are not vaccinating and if they’re black they must be Democrats according to Biden, so your theory is debunked.