And Just Like That

Exactly. The sheer DEFINITION of hypocrisy.
Liberal logic:
Refuse service to a government official and it's FREEDOM!
Refuse to cater a gay wedding and it's HATEFUL, BIGOTED, and the perpetrator needs to DIE!

"Also, the restaurant that turned away Sarah Sanders has received <threats as well>." Why ask someone to prove what you already knew existed? Had Sanders asked the chef there to create for her a Republican meal (much like the baker was asked to "create a gay cake") then you could say they were the same. The baker offered to bake for them a regular cake, which they declined and they wanted something creative, facts always left out of this argument. By this example, landscape artists should be forced to paint portraits. Rappers should be forced to sing country music and so on.

Its the creative process involved that separates the 2, just as the supreme court found. Also, just for the record what I was calling you out on was "Liberals (as a group) are saying Christian bakers need to die? Can you provide proof?" :D

I see how you got the "group" part of that... I see your point now. Are you sure you don't want to convert?

We could make a bitchin right-winger out of you.

So...when's the lawsuit coming against that restaurant?

No because SHS knew all she needed to do to punish the Red Hen was whine about it on Twitter and during her press conference and her minions would attack. The gay couple didn't have those resources so they sued for discrimination.

. . . and lost.
She was smart enough to just use the court of public opinion.

You mean sway the court of public opinion with propaganda. She's not some innocent person just trying to live her life. She's the spokesperson for a despot who has been systematically ruining this country and the lives of millions of people in the short time he's been in office. That's why these two situations are different.

The gay couple wasn't hurting anyone with their wedding. That's why Sanders had to give another rundown of all the great things Trump supposedly did in her press conference while whining about being asked to leave the restaurant. She actually said he defeated Isis. And then she acted all nice to the reporters. So small minds could feel sorry for her. Poor Sarah, just doing her job. @@

As the owner of the Red Hen said, she was acting on her conscience. At least she had the canines to admit it, not hide behind religion as an excuse. If you were Jewish and Hitler or Goebbels came in, would you want to serve them?

So SH did something to the owner of the Red Hen restaraunt? Please eldulge us of this horrible thing she did to deserve such treatment. Oh yeah, she works for the White House. Yeah, I can see how that deserves being kicked out of a place of business - NOT.

Keep ‘em coming. This is hilarious. :)

I've already said what SHS has done. She represents a scumbag. She stands there and uses the Bible to excuse Trump's evil intentions. I'm glad peoples' pain amuses you. Enjoy it while you can.

It is refusal of service due to differing beliefs. No difference. The LAW is and has been that a business has a right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. That is constitutional...meaning that rights of both groups and individuals are protected. If we shall interpret law, we must interpret it universally. If a business can refuse to render service because of beliefs then both cake makers and conservative haters are within their rights to refuse. It is destructive to only apply a law only selectively. The constitution should apply universally. This is the only way to protect the general welfare. So mush depends on what we can, together deem as reasonable interpretation of the law, and there is not an abundance of reasonable consideration these days. It is replaced with selfishness and malice. I wish I had a constructive answer for all the issues, but I do not believe abandoning the constitution is the correct answer. Our rights extend only to the place where they impinge upon the rights of others. Who is violating who? We are now on a slippery slope whereby groups are, in fact seeking rights which discriminate in their favor. I think, more than anything...we have lost the will to get along with each other. There seems to be enough room for the common welfare, if we stop thinking how uncommon and entitled we all are as individauls. If more of us studied and adopted the spirit of the constitution, many problems would be solved. It is one thing when there are no choices being offered, but today there are so many places where we can find a welcoming hand. Why not just seek them out instead of fighting for acceptance where we are not wanted? Are we changing the world or merely fostering more hatred while the structure of law is destroyed and therefore the general welfare? It is a perplexing question.

I was joking, honestly.

Those of us who don’t have a chip on our shoulder know you were.

Well, I was over-exaggerating on purpose.

Exactly. The sheer DEFINITION of hypocrisy.
Conservative logic:
Refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding and it's FREEDOM!
Refuse service to a goverment official and it's HATEFUL, BIGOTED, and the perpetrator needs to DIE!

Because goose/gander

HA HA! The worst part was that his name and the song immediately came to my head, despite all the effort I made to run away from it back in the day.
Funny, I was thinking about an hour ago how music took off in a bunch of brilliant directions by 1977, then it all went downhill come 82, causing me to retreat to nothing but HC Punk and Kate Bush till HC got sucky by 85...

That was great tho, thanks,,,

Much of the usual biggies, tho I grew to despise Jello and Rollins, and late Ginn, so the DKs and latter day B Flag are difficult to listen to now. In retrospect Keith & Reyes & Dez were better than Mr Pretentious Leather Lungs anyways, so yay!
Fear, Flipper, C Jerks, Misfits, Mourning Noise, The Undead, TSOL... The Germs and the Flesh Eaters, Divine Horsemen are my faves I guess, lyrically they inspired me, as did Glenn.
Weirdos, Vandals, Adolescents, Agent Orange, Ch3, Zero Boys, (early) Meat Puppets, Beastie Boys, The Mad, AOD, False Prophets, The Mob, Virus, The Mentors, Bad Posture, The Accused, Peace Corpse....

Angry Samoans "Ballad of Jerry Curlan" basically is the soundtrack of my half assed posted rants, The Patterns's "Unnatural Silence" is a beaut, Weirdos "Helium Bar" was probably the first HC song I heard (video on a a Residents TV show) and still sounds every bit as awesome,,,

Gosh, I'm getting misty,,,

I sorta disappeared from my own life for a while, so packed my records and haven't listened to them in ages, so memory blurs. Been catching up on YouTube since I got online 4 yrs ago. Whatever.

Anyways, I take it you're into it too? Shit I almost moved to LA in 84... Cali was where it was at, but so mnay scenes everywhere.

Gota hit tha sack, be back later.

Let's have a war by Fear has come to mind periodically over the years, and just recently with all the Little Rocket Man talk.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iUxkFCBPgx4

Guess what! I NEVER said that they had to not refuse service to that government official. Both are examples of freedom.

That's a very simplistic way of putting the situation if I ever saw one. An important thing to note is that not all liberals are for refusal of service, and the factors behind not serving a gay person are based on uncontrollable aspects of an individual, while Sarah Sanders had better control over her decision to be a Trump executive. Either way, I am not saying that the restaurant shouldn't have refused service to her. I'm just pointing out the hasty generalizations in your "argument".

Being gay is a choice.

Any evidence to back that claim?

I chose not to be gay.

You didn't choose to be straight either. Many would choose not to be gay in order to live perfectly in a normalized, boxed society. However, that is never the case.

Sexuality is a social construct and everything is racist! Reeeee!!!
The airconditioner in my office is sexist!!
[Autistic screeching)

Good thing I don't believe all that. Whoever does will have a 50ft radius clear of me.

Our best bud is guy...even tried to be straight in high school..had sex with a gal..made him want to puke..

Mental illness!

Mental illness is a label people attach to whatever they don't like these days, even though it hardly does society that much harm. I've lived with autism and as a result, I've been a very good thinker for memorizing British Train classes and quotes from an obscure webcomic.

Maybe Aspergers can cause harm. However, it's quite rare.

Oh. Well, I haven't been diagnosed with Asperger's, though I looked up the symptoms and they seem similar to what I do.

And you decided to be Hetero?

"Gay for the stay?" There isn't conclusive "evidence" either way.

Fair enough, but there have been comparative brain scans.

I'll take God's word for it.

He speaks to you? I think you need to see a doctor for the voices in your head...

Yes, translations and hand copying over the centuries has caused many errors in the Bible. One more reason the world needs a prophet to clear things up.

If you think about it, the scriptures are a compilation of God’s communication with his prophets. Since people interpret them differently, only God himself can give us the correct interpretation. He does this through different means including studying his scripture, prayer and prompting from the Holy Spirit. We can receive personal revelation for ourselves but God has always used prophets to make his will known to the world in general.

What do you think wisdom is?

He will tell you himself. All you have to do is ask. Same thing with knowing if a prophet is really a prophet. Go to the source.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+1%3A5-6&version=KJV

MnMinPhx, are you LDS? If you're not, you should totally check out mormon.org.

Haha I love your style!

B A S E D

Like constipation? You know, like you, um, well, never mind,,,

But your comment is based on a fallacy, the owners of the bakery did not refuse to serve the homosexual couple. They offered them any cake in the store. What they refused to do was bake a homosexual themed cake. If a KKK member had went to a black owned bakery and asked them to bake a cake with KKK designs on it and they refused would you be behind the KKK member or the black bakers? If a restaurant had refused service to an Obama official because they didn't like Obama would you be singing the same song? No, you'd be crying "Racist!" Maybe that Obama executive should have had better control over his or her decision to be an Obama executive.

"If a KKK member had went to a black owned bakery and asked them to bake a cake with KKK designs on it and they refused would you be behind the KKK member or the black bakers?"

The best part of this argument is how you compare gay people to the KKK. (ok, not really, but being gay isn't as easily an option compared to being a KKK member).

"If a restaurant had refused service to an Obama official because they didn't like Obama would you be singing the same song? No, you'd be crying 'Racist!' "

The fact that you think I'm a mainstream left-leaner is bad enough, but to explicitly give the idea that I support the Red Hen's decision in refusing service to Sarah Sanders is a sign that you haven't got a grasp on my actual views on situations. And if it answers questions, then no. I do not support the Red Hen's decision. I don't like Sarah Sanders, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't give her the food she orders and pays for.

But the wrinkle to this is that no baker is going to agree to bake and decorate a KKK cake (maybe they will....I dunno), where they will provide a fully decorated cake to some people and not to others, based strictly on the customer's orientation. There's the problem.

Some might consider the Baker's Decoration of the Cake 'Artistic Expression'...

does that mean you support an Artist being forced to accept a commission for a Painting/Sculpture of something that goes against their 'Faith'

Can a Muslim or Jewish Artist be forced to paint a Mural that unambiguously depicts Christ as the Messiah... (last i checked, they agree he's a 'big deal', but that he 'just' a prophet)

To which I'd respond, most independent artists don't have public businesses that require business licenses (unless they're commercial artists, I believe). If they are commercial, they could very well find themselves in the pickle you outlined above. A baker or florist is usually in the public domain which would make them subject to business rules and regs, no?

it's an analogy, not a perfect parallel...

and back to the Baker unless he's expressly advertising "Custom Cakes Decorated to Order" he's still got more than enough wiggle room with his willingness to provide any/all cakes not depicting/referencing Gay marriage (or any other 'sin' according to his Dogma)

Interesting point! The other interesting thing (maybe I just got married so long ago that I don't know the custom) is that I didn't know people were asking for a ton of decoration on cakes these days, aside from fancy frosting curlicues and the like.

the recent weddings I've attended do a two tier 'classic' with the curls and swirls
and what you think of as a 'Wedding cake' (where they save the top tier and do the cutting shtick on the second tier, and then serve that to the wedding party) and then they have a second Sheet Cake for the crowd... and that cake can have anything from a picture transfer to "Bob & Carol 2 Gether 4 Ever" or both

the Baker's 'line in the Fondant' could be as simple as not wanting to write "Bob & Carl: Together Forever" or in not having a Two Groom topper

You nailed it. No one could put it better.

Thank you.