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Have have a feeling a lot of people would just ignore you

That's the problem.

Well if we would just give everyone food for free, people wouldn't have to steal it and there wouldn't be any illegal shoppers... Duh... </sarcasm>

Well the problem with that is that we live on a planet with limited resources, a me they are running low fast...

I agree, I was being sarcastic. I'm sorry to hear that resources are running low for you, I will pray for you.

I am talking at a global level. Pray for everyone.

The minute the leftists realized they could get votes from illegals

Not our English grammar. But that's a lost cause honestly.
(Barely related rant: Seriously, my spell check often changes things back to the wrong thing after I fix it. It keeps changing their back to there after I changed it from there to their. I wonder if that sentence will even be right once I hit post comment. Damn cheap Android phone, anyways...)

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I found this old propaganda film from 1947 that touches on the subject. https://archive.org/details/DontBeaS1947

Theres following the law and then theres separating families as if they were in a KZ (German slang for Concentration Camps)

While I agree for contries such as the US who have borders with relatively unstable neighbours to have a border control and to inspect immigrants who come into the country.

It is quite frankly ridicules that no one be allowed to stay. And that 'Illegal Immigrants' may not get a chance to legalize their status. But perhaps you are right and perhaps 0 immigrants per year is a great idea. What about the reason why people are leaving their country and entering America Illegally. What incentive do those people have for doing that.

Perhaps combating the incentive to leave their homeland and travel illegally to America for a better life would be a better way to deal with it than harsher immigration laws, which are already quite frankly ridiculously difficult.

U.S. children are separated from there parents regularly for things like "not having a proper bed" even though they have a safe place to sleep. But being homeless and dragging your child through the dessert, "how dare you separate them!"
And no one is suggesting harsher laws.They are recommending enforcement of existing laws I, personally, am in favor of more lenient immigration laws (but not open borders) but only when I have faith that the laws will actually be enforced. There is no point in changing the laws if they are just going to be ignored by those responsible for seeing they are enforced.
And no one is suggesting 0 immigrants.
Two of the arguements you are arguing against (harsher laws and zero imigrants) were never made. Do you know what it's called when instead countering the arguement that was made (enforcement of existing laws) you make up a different arguement (harsher laws and zero immigrants) and argue against it? That is the very definition of a straw man arguement.

Huh, interesting... However that zero immigrant was just meant as an extreme example. Also, I'm not saying open your borders, I'm trying to point out why people would rather travel to the US illegally than go through the immigration process. But that was probably miscommunicated.

WHY aren't they doing it LEGALLY??? There are millions of LEGAL immigrants coming into the USA annually and they are following the process and gaining their citizenship. If it were easy... criminals and undesirable people would be able to hide their identity and get legal papers and avoid law enforcement, so the immigration laws have to be stringent in order to weed out the criminals. Ergo that's probably the main reason these illegals are crossing the border ILLEGALLY because they are criminals or have something in their background that would prevent them for legally obtaining papers in the first place sooo... we don't want them!

Now as far as the separations are concerned what do you propose? I know that if I were doing something ILLEGAL I wouldn't put my child in harms way in the first place and I sure wouldn't want to bring them with me to jail when caught either sooo separations are a necessity no?

"come on little miguel let's go somewhere where things may be better for us but if we're caught we will go to jail. Oh no we're caught so let's all live in one jail cell together till they send us home month's from now"

Doesn't sound to me like awesome parenting and the greatest upbringing to me!

If people did things the right way there wouldn't be a need to separate anyone and they'd be welcomed with open arms!

By the way I am a child of immigrants who went and did things the right way.

Look, I'm not gonna lie, I don't really know my way around the American Immigration system. I don't even live on the same bloody Continent! I even live in a country where there is ni such thing as a 'Border Patrol' because of the European Union wide free travel treaty or whatever its called. Borders are literally imaginary lines whuch anyone can cross no nothing needed.

Anyway, What I mean to say is that you should have a border (Especially if you have a neighbour like Mexico) and it should be patroled. Immigrants should try to get into the US legally, but (As my Uncle can testify) it can take years before one completes the first steps of immigration to the US. And in the meantime Amigo Mafia aint waiting for that extortion money. The reason why peopel cross illegally is because that they'd rather spend a month in an American prison and be able to try again later than Staying in Towno Escablo with your not so friendly neighbourhood drug dealer waiting for his money. People just think its worth it.

As for family separation: Just don't. Its cruel and inhumane. Just keep the family together in the same prison atleast. And if I'd cross the border illegally I would bring my child with me rather than leave them alone... in mexico... with the criminals I'm trying to escape.

However, I wouldn't bring them with me if I were robbing a bank.

Hey, we too have people we dont want *Caugh* Neo-Nazis *Cough* and they're not even immigrants! But to outright refuse to help anyone fleeing conflicts and entering illegally is just inhumane. I say give em' a chance. If they f**k up, back to syria. If they dont, well "hallo Nachbara Wie gehts!"

You know what, I'm too tired and I just cant. Not even my problem since I live in Europe. So never see ya!

Trust me here in the states we see what all that open border free reign trouble that’s going on over there is causing! Here’s the whole problem in nut shell and it’s what the left refuses to address that it even exsists, for too long the USA has had too soft a stance on immigration and government assistance and that is what makes it so a appealing to immigrants. Statistically more illegals try crossing the border from other counties than Mexico and why because they get free handouts on the tax payers dime. I don’t fault anyone for trying to escape war or tyranny I would do the same but why would I traverse 4 or 5 countries and risk life and limb and my families life and limb when logically I can stop at the first country that would grant me asylum but that’s not the case they try to come here. I was born and raised in the state I live in, I’ve had to work hard for everything I have and I’ve never received a handout from this government even when I was down on my luck and jobless many years ago I tried to get assistance but because I was living with a relative they flat out told me that I was making too much money for help... I was jobless how does that compute? But had I been an illegal I would have gotten healthcare and benefits and free college. I’m not gonna sit here and cry foul or whine about fairness that the lefts job. Lol but to my understanding a country and it’s govenment at least a democratic one is supposed to take care of its citizens first above all others and so now the USA is doing that and it’s unpopular... to enforce the laws that have been on the books for decades shouldn’t be causing this much strife! The illegals want the handouts, the left wants their votes for giving them the handouts, the tax payers want relief and the laws enforced, the media wants a juicy controversial story to spin out of control and in the end the only one that gets screwed is the American citizen.

Look lad, I'm not suggesting that your government bend over backwards for illegal immigrants. However you must realize that you are not on equal footing with illegal immigrants. It is common sense that a person who can't speak english very well nor has a very good education form where they come from that they be glossed over in favour if a Native. Essentially, they're coming out of a swimming pool and need a little help in standing up.

However I agree that an American citizen would be disgruntled that tge taxes they pay may go wasted on something they don't need, but if you talk about something you dont need then you should get your Military, I'm pretty sure that money could be better spent elswhere.

Anyway, this is Europe not America. You do what you Americans do best! Which is... Americaneering?

"It is common sense that a person who can't speak english very well nor has a very good education form where they come from that they be glossed over in favour if a Native."

Actually, in many jobs immigrants are hired preferentially. I was once denied a job (at a jack in the box across the street from the college I was going to) because I didn't speak Spanish (they told me this at the interview). At first this didn't bother me because I assumed they meant they wanted someone bilingual. Nope, week later I tried to order food there and the lady behind the counter could not speak a word of English, not even the items on the menu. (This is merely the most obvious example I have experienced. There are others)
So no, being a "native" confers no preference.

Yeah stay in Europe business and don't preach what you don't know. Ain't Europe already has many issues going? What's up with retirement age? What's up with Greece and Turkey? Yeah uh huh....

You mean the military Europe freaks out about any time we consider withdrawing? We should cut our defense budget but we still have to defend you, right? So who defends us? Germany with its 200 tanks and broken helicopters?

Claps* Very nice. While I don't like it such places sadly exist. The reason for them is because Europe was nit prepared for such an amount of refugees coming and these places have been put up at the time as a half hearted temoprary messure but have sadly grown to become permanent.

Yet it begs the question. If you bring this up do you suggest that Illegal immigrants entering the US are kept in such places? Because if they are I'd support miving children to a better lication, but only temporarily.

However I highly doubt such conditions are present in US quvilants of those camps.

"Europe was nit prepared for such an amount of refugees coming and these places have been put up at the time as a half hearted temoprary messure but have sadly grown to become permanent."
What makes you think the U.S. is any more prepared. Most of the rage about so called "children in cages" has do with hastily prepared housing with chain link around it.

"The reason for them is because Europe was nit prepared for such an amount of refugees coming and these places have been put up at the time as a half hearted temoprary messure but have sadly grown to become permanent."

And what is ignored in regards to those "refugees" is that there were places set up for them to flee to in some neighbouring countries, but they didn't /want/ to go there to live in air-conditioned tents, they wanted to go to the wealthy countries who were giving away free money. A refugee gets more money handed to them than I as a citizen live on.

"I even live in a country where there is ni such thing as a 'Border Patrol' because of the European Union wide free travel treaty or whatever its called. Borders are literally imaginary lines whuch anyone can cross no nothing needed."

Then why, and HOW, was Lauren Southern denied entry into the UK, which may have voted to leave the EU but is not out just yet, not until next year. And, in fact, she's a Canadian, which means she's a citizen of the commonwealth, so there's no way she should have been denied entry.

did you share the same thoughts way back when Clinton put the law in place ? or when obama did it in vast numbers ?. you just want to virtue signal with no alternative (that makes any sense). I couldn't imagine putting my kid in danger of any kind to try and jump the line. Laws are laws, not only if they're "comfortable". You can't pick and choose what you are going to follow, you can't just open the borders either. Anyone who thinks that's a good idea isn't smart enough to have an opinion

So, the position should be to change of gration laws, not ignore them.

In the first sentence. Ties the world record!!!

The problem with the idiotic "zero immigrants" argument of leftists is that the term "illegal immigrant" is an oxymoron they embrace, so that they can mendaciously try to push the narrative that Trump doesn't want any immigrants.

If someone crosses the border illegally, they are NOT an immigrant, they are an illegal alien, or even an invader. Trump is not opposed to immigrants, in fact he's married to one. He's opposed to illegal aliens, especially ones who have committed other crimes, either before or after crossing the border illegally, crimes more serious than the illegal crossing.

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Cowards? Imagine you have a daughter who gets raped and beat by gang members for simply crossing the street. For this sake of my daughter, I will gladly leave the country and be called a coward. Corruption is so high and gangs are so powerful that the people are powerless. Children are suffering.

That's a nice car the pope has. Is it bullet proof also? Oh wait is Iaonsite! I have something for you buddy. Here is the pic you like most!

Start a militia. Oh that's right you banned guns. So the good ppl gave them up and the bad ppl kept them and TOOK OVER THE F**KING COUNTRY.
Now you illegally immigrate to another country and support doing the same mistake here.
Gotcha

Go ahead, call me a snowflake. I don’t care buddy.

Youp....thanks Nat

'And that 'Illegal Immigrants' may not get a chance to legalize their status. '
ILLEGAL immigrants are doing something ILLEGAl and cannot LEGALISE their status because they are CRIMINALS. You are obviously very stupid. Go back to Huffpost, Salon (aka pedo weekly) or Newsweek. Your comments are retard tier. But of course you're so retarded you won't be able to grasp that concept.

Lad, walking across an imaginary line whilst trying to escape slavers, terrorists, criminals cannot be seen worse than perhaps theft. Thats the maximum Illeagly entering a place can be seen as. While yes they did it illegally, you've got to hear their story.

it is not an imaginary line - it's a border. I have no interest in hearing the stories of foreign criminals. Running away from ones problems never solved them.

If you’re going to comment about laws please cite your source! The only reason immigration law is currently a topic is because it’s actually being enforced! And in order to change such laws there is an entire system to go through before any changes happen and believe me the world would know about it immediately considering the current media feeding frenzy over controversial topics! So no the immigration laws have not changed and they have nothing to do ethnicity or social bias it’s about national security and this nations sovereignty.

Yes they have not changed because you say so and are too damn lazy or stupid to look it up first. smh lets talk about the Hart Celler act....

hahaha

Cite a source for basic law!

Ok so you cite a law enacted in 1965 that bolsters my initial argument? Doing away with ethnic and racial immigration quotas?? I mean seriously if you’re going to troll at least have an opposing point of view don’t try and help the person you’re trolling! Just a lil handy tip there genius! The laws haven’t changed “in recent years” (better?) not because I say so it’s because they just haven’t and maybe they should be changed, the only thing that has change is their enforcement! The media and left all want everyone to believe that they are battling racism and immigration bias but the truth is all they’re battling for are votes and all of those people they’re supposedly using their high and mighty voices for will be forgotten and dropped till the next election. Don’t believe me that’s fine, watch the thousands of walk away videos and see if you believe those people!

Funny you call people lazy when you're constantly posting fake news you were too lazy to verify.

Im going to get off the immigration thing for a second. I want say that I am so sick of you leftist bringing up past slights as if they are applicable to the here and now. Its like obama telling people to be nicer to Islamic extremists because the Crusades happened a couple 1000 years ago.
Bring up a better argument than something that happened 161 years ago or everything you say I will counter with the fact that the democrats were the party of slavery and jim crow.