Never Met a Good Guy That Wants To Disarm The People

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thanks for the heads up. I need to redo it.

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Protestors are just as evil as Stalin.

I really hope you’re not being serious.

Same thing I thought when I saw this meme.

Over and over and over again this has been proved false.
These gun grabbers are more concerned with "what with" people kill people, rather then "why" people kill people.
Tyranny will happen here if we let it.
You'll be jailed for not being "pc" they all strip everything from you.
They will.
They are.

I disagree with most of that 'cept the pc jail part.
But here you are at the end of this elongated fart battle of a thread, so I upvote you.

How come there aren't any mass shootings at gun shows?

Because the guns ain't loaded?

What's your favorite dance move?

Ahem?

Like you had to ask.

What's yours?

German civilians weren’t allowed to own guns even before the Nazis came to power. Even if they were, I’m pretty sure the last thing on their mind during the GREAT DEPRESSION is buying a gun while they and their kids starve.

The British Empire didn’t want to take away our guns, they just started taxing us, which led to a massacre, which started the American Revolution. Russian civilians weren’t allowed to own guns way before the time of Stalin, given the aristocracy didn’t want people to be able to take them down.

Uh, they were marching on Lexington and Concord to seize the powder and arms of the militias there.

Every country has troubled teenagers only the Americans are stupid enough to give them easy access to guns.

The fact that gun murders in the US since 1945 exceed the total amount of Americans killed in every war since it's founding, including the civil war, should be a warning. However the brain dead think dead kids on the news on a regular basis is worth living with so they can keep their guns.

really? considering these Mortality Odds, would you suggest, and Follow a Govt. Mandated Vegan Diet so no one ever need die of Diabetes or Heart Disease? or looking at the number of auto accidents and Alcohol related deaths install a Breathalyzer in every car... or better yet Lets make DWI a Capital Offense...

if it were really about Dead Bodies on the news there are far greater killers out there... and considering how little you hear about them, You might want to consider who is deciding what Makes it on the news and why they want that story covered

But thoser measures HAVE been taken to some degree or another.
Raising the drinking age from 18 to 21 has saved how many lives in prevented car accidents? Stop checks, especially on New Years and other holidays where police use Breathalyzers to detect drunk drivers. They're developing cars that won't turn on if alcohol is detected via the very device you mentioned.

Food guidelines, regulations. Requiring restaurants to post calories, etc. Rules for school lunches. Pressure from consumers forcing companies to change ingredients.

I found out the hard way when I was a teen that carrying a knife is illegal here, especially a double edge in holster even though they're openly sold. Cop was cool about it at least. No one cried about me not being able to wear it (which I did because I liked the way it looked). Even spiked wristbands are illegal here in NYC.

The stamping out of smoking in schools, the workplace, restaurants, bars even.

Public intoxication IS illegal, so is drug abuse.

Drivers licences, dog licenses. Dog attacks a person, it gets to die.

The ratio of shark attacks to sharks slaughter yearly is one : one million.

and still People die at higher rates than Legal Guns in the hands of Legal Owners...

A Dog bites some one you put THAT Dog down, you don't outlaw Dogs...

Re-writing the Constitution (that is their end game, don't deny it, enough of their Poster- children have said as much) to take away 'my' Gun in the name of "protecting the Children' would be like you cutting off your P**is to prevent rape in Africa (unless you are a bad man planning to go to Africa, the state of your P**is has no bearing on the crime rate)

So we should legalize everything dangerous because something else might be more lethal? So let's not have driver licenses, nor registration, nor license plates, permit drinking in them, allow drug abuse in them, and let toddlers drive them also because despite all the regs, people are still going to get killed by cars? Stop lights, who needs them, heck, with even bother looking before crossing?

Ferrets, did they finally legalize them? Because I heard they finally made honeybee keeping legal here. There has been sporadic talk of making pitbulls illegal in NYC, and large dogs are not permitted in public housing. The ASPCA in NYC automatically kills all pits turned in, no matter how tame or what age.

An amendment is....

Putting convicted rapists in prison is pretty routine. No one says give them a pass and let them do as they will because men need their p**is.

Denying what anyone calls for is irrelevent, these kids can say what they will, the First Amendment still being a thing. These kids who don't want to get shot to in order to protect the rights of guns do not, however, legislate.

If the Second Amendment is amended by an Amendment, that's Ok, that's the law.

Just need to know who to ask. ;)

It is now, thanks to Obama.

Cocaine used to be so easy in the latter part of the 80s they had to turn it into crack just to store the huge amount, thanks to Reagan.

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Sorry about my typos.

If you eat too much, you drink too much that is your problem. America's problem with guns is they are used to kill other people! That is the difference and if you can't see that you are blind to the problem.

This is an example of two logical fallacies: 1. false dichotomy: you are stating that guns are used to kill people without recognizing their other legitimate uses, and the fact that killing another person in certain circumstances is legal and justified. However, in your arguments on this post, there has been no mention whatsoever of those legitimate uses of firearms, nor the legal circumstances under which it is legal and justified to kill someone, such as in defense of your own life or the life of another. You are essentially stating that guns are used to kill people and that is never justified, yet the law specifically allows circumstances in which it is justified; and 2. this is an ad hominem statement: you have stated that "if you can't see (the difference) you are blind to the problem." This is dismissing the opposing argument by simply stating that the opponent cannot see the problem and is essentially so unintelligent that they can't tell the difference between the two things you are comparing. This statement is untenable in two different ways and is not a reasonable argument at all.

not to mention that even if they were right in calling you unintelligent (and I don't think they were), that would not prove their point. Even an idiot could accidentally say something true

I have enough weapons to equip a small street gang, to date not one of my weapons has taken a Human Life... re-writing/repealing or otherwise neutering the 2nd Amendment because someone else abused it, is asking me to eat kale because You have diabetes...

Again misleading statistic. NY in 2018, 50 murders, London 46. However in Feb and March the murder rate was higher than NY. Any person with half a brain will tell you that such a small sample is not statistically significant and you cannot dervive anything meaningful from it.

However, the US could learn from London. Not only do they have strict gun control, now they have decided to tackle the increase in knife crime, making it a criminal offence to carry such weapons.

You see it's really easy when you identify the problem to do something about it, unless you work in Congress it seems....

Actually it proves that intent is everything. If someone wants to kill, they will. Destroying the liberty of the law abiding in a vain attempt at security may be acceptable in England, its not here.

There's almost 2 million poor here in NYC, the most racially, ethnically, religiously, culturally, politically diverse city in history, with 1/3 foreign born, 1/3 born here to those, and 1/3 more than 1 gen born here.
Not only street gangs and 'thug culture' - BORN here and transmitted throughout the world, but this is THE mob central in the US for everything from the Mafia to Yakuza.

It is where the latest wave of whatever the rest will one day emulate eminates from.

And yet, in the biggest city in the US, 270 murders in 2017, with 2018 on track to be even lower. Literally the ONLY firearms I saw in my entire life were of my Uncle Henry (R.I.P.) in PR, who used them for hunting.

There ain't many liberties being shucked here.

Yes, intent. See round these parts, you wanna be a man, you be a man. No firearms required. You wanna kill, you best be able too, cuz bare arms kinda evens out the playing field.

Pretty simple what it boils down to.

Projection much?

You've literaly said nothing but "intent" repeatedly (other than bring up Chicago, the only town in the US in this fake right/left bot argument) to me and others, and if that lame deflection hasn't bored you silly yet...

Anyways, this nonsense is played out.
Nite.

Again misleading statistic. NY in 2018, 50 murders, London 46.

What part of numbers do you not understand? 50 is bigger than 46. Jesus the American education system is shot

We had this stupid argument already, ya daft jakey, and because you were too eager to sink your yapping maw into American 'errors' in interpretation of facts WHEN THE UK ARTICLE I POSTED WAS DONE SO TO S-U-P-P-O-R-T YOUR POSITION AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE'S.

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Americans don't have liberty, don't make me laugh! When they brought in conscription during the Vietnam war Americans died in their thousands. You didn't have the liberty to say no, well unless you were rich and well connected....

As I have said before, if you right to own guns trumps dead kids then so be it. I'll take my kids coming home alive from school every time.

Be careful what you wish for: it might be a person with a gun that makes it possible for your children to come home safe from school.

That is needed in the rest of the developed world, only in America are kids in danger of being shot at school or shot on the way home from school

Holy crap. You're actually justifying the nanny state that is england. Wow.

Now if they would just outlaw bombs, forced prostitution gangs and acid throwing to the face, it would be heaven there

So in the UK since 1971 there has been approx 530 bomb related deaths, most related to the downing of the Pan Am flight over Lockerbie.

In America since 1968 (the closest I could get to 1970) to 2013
1,516,863 Americans have been killed by guns.

That is not even close, that is not even a comparison. That is a tragedy on a national scale. Your argument I am sorry is pathetic

Two thirds of those gun deaths are suicide, of the remaining third, approximately half are criminals killing other criminals, of the quarter left you fold in innocents killed by crooks and crooks killed by cops. Yeah, it's a big number still, but it puts the US nowhere near many other developed countries. You also should factor in how many innocents may have died if they had no access to personal protection.

EXCELLENT POINT! Gun control has made NYC not only the safest big city in the USA, it's now even safer that London!

Because law enforcement is lax in Chicago.

In NYC, a program was initiated where officers stop and talk with members of the community, to be a part of it, rather than 'the enemy'
There are incentives for them to live where they patrol as well, rather than far off.
Less animosity means more cooperation.

In the 1960s, social workers were assigned to street gangs. It literally became cool to have your own worker because that meant you were dangerous and thus warranted one (that scene in the Warriors with The Orphans talking about it, that part was legit). Said counselors helped steer their culture away from a shoot 'em/kill 'em mentality.

Buy back programs where you trurned in your guns, legal or not - no questions asked - in exchange for cash took them off the streets.

Crackdowns on the Mafia. They've been largely neutered, and keep to less bang em up biz. Other mobs don't want to be nixed as they're coming up, so they try to keep it less vicious. Prison ain't fun.

Less racism. Still have it, but the 'they' is not always the enemy.

No weapons means you gotta be able to back it up, and that can hurt a lot more than shooting as you wiz by in a car.

People kinda got bored with acting like wussy degenerates trying to prove they have big dicks with that metal tucked in their pants.

anyway...nite.

Being that your specialty seems to be blowing gas through your mouth, I leave you thus pretty picture to blow on.

Poor Jack has to resort to ad-hominem attacks. Sure sign of a losing argument.

Right on, brother!

1. Red Herring

2. Straw man

3. Ad Hominem

4. Kryptonite: What about Chicago?

Well done!

Ad hominem coming right up:

There never was an argument, ya stupid jizz monkey.

Two points: 1. "murders" does not necessarily constitute gun violence, so to say that gun control created the situation described above is a non sequitur, as it has not been shown that the gun control policies created the low percent murder rate that you are citing; 2. 270 people were still murdered, so gun control didn't solve the problem, although it may have made the situation better.

Exactly. So murder by gun violence is even less than that figure may cause some to think .

I'm not repeating what I said above, because I did the same sort of wall of text the other week as well just to have Mozais go rabid, like Capt Intent Intent above.

Is that true, though? Is murder by gun violence less than the total number you cited above? Where are your citations? Where are you getting your information? Are you going to address the second point: 270 people were still murdered, which means that gun control policies did not resolve the issue of violent deaths.

It's clearly a lie because murder by gun #s exceed murder #s.

Forgive me if I misunderstand you, but how can the murder by gun totals exceed the total number of murders? That doesn't make sense to me, unless I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say there. Also, please be specific: where is the lie? I don't know what you're referring to. My second point is a lie? Is that because of your statement that the total murder numbers are exceeded by the number of gun murders? That doesn't make sense.

Yes.

You're using carefully hand-picked stats and calling them all-together a fact. Murders and homicides (justified or not) are all listed as gun deaths, as are suicides. I don't see how a suicide or a justifiable homicide is a murder. Take out the suicides, and the numbers are cut by 2/3rds.

If you remove all the deaths by guns then the killings by guns drops to zero.

This is a circular argument.

Lol what? Every war? No way that's true

Look it up. You’ll be surprised and then disgusted. Islamic State doesn’t need to bomb Americans it just needs to open a gun shop and the Americans will do it for them

Wow. I guess true?
Still a faulty static though

Wow. I guess true?
Still a faulty static though.

The best thing about comments like this one is that I when I hit fn+Right Arrow Key to reach the bottom of the page, I had to scroll up for a few seconds before finding the source to all of it's replies.