Jim Halpert Explains

All of it being truth

The people that said all that were correct. It’s pretty common knowledge among non leftists that Horse dewormer aka ivermectin could have saved lives if used properly instead of being derided.

How can horse dewormer cure a hoax?

It would have to not be a hoax for horse dewormer to work.

Beat me to it.

The hoax is saying that it wasn’t from china and that all the flu deaths and people who died from accidents that tested positive for covid were covid deaths.

What a strange world you live in, Bluessol. You think that even the state of Florida is lying to you about how many people died of Covid. The Republican run state heath service has reported that of January 2022 60,000+ people died of covid. And only 2,000 died of influenza.

I think they're saying the covid deaths were actually flu deaths.... which means "the flu" suddenly became wayyy more deadly. Because reasons.

You might see how a pretzel is made if you ask them about Cuomo sending covid patients to nursing homes.

Nothing to twist about that: it was homicide.

Oh? Did they crash the bus on the way to the nursing home and mark em covid deaths or how does that work?
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Let me guess...... THOSE deaths were real.... but the ones you can't blame on Cuomo were the fake ones.

Psst. If something is more dangerous to elderly, immunodeficient people, wouldn’t it make sense to keep them away from those with said disease? Especially since nursing homes didn’t have the means to isolate them? Yet Killer Cuomo ordered such nursing homes to take them. That, my neophyte, is murder. As for those who died of Covid, nearly all had multiple comorbiditoes like advanced age, heart disease, respiratory issues, etc. a great many does of Remdesivir poisoning because Fraudci said that was the drug to use. Care to guess whose name is on the patent for this drug only available in hospitals and nursing facilities bc it has to be given by IV? A drug so toxic that clinical trials were stopped when people started dying from it? “Dr. Science” himself.

But yeah basically what I said... THOSE deaths were real but the ones not involving Cuomo were not, right?

Pretzelating facts. It happens.

You ever watch SCTV, the one with the Quincy M.E. For Cartoons (something like that) episode?

Cuomo was just helping the Democrats spread the disease and increase the death count. Just like Gruesome in CA

Oh.. so covid can actually kill you?

Also... why did they do that?

Depends on who you are? Old, with health issues. It’s certainly possible same as the flu or pneumonia.

Why? Why not press for that question to be answered from them and your representatives? You have a highly contagious disease that strikes hardest at the elderly so your idea is send infected people to old folks homes? Absurdity!

My take is it was part of the Democratic power grab to remove Trump. Democrats openly encouraged rioting, pretended taking precautions for Covid when it first surfaced was racist and did everything possible to increase the panic and fear. What was the result? WHO did it favor? Democrats and China? Who wants the power to lock you in your home and shut your business?

Sure, I get that they're saying covid was actually the flu. But Florida is reporting 2 different death tolls.

Why would Florida report 2 different numbers if they were the same thing? I get the immediate defense would be "well, they're lying" except this is a Repubican run state. So... now Desantis and his entire administration was lying about it too?

Who said they were the same? The virus unleashed by China was not the regular flu, but the regular flu did not disappear miraculously overnight after centuries of causing death. Using the regular flu to pad the numbers and increase the panic of the easily fooled is dishonest and Why? Why not just tell the truth,

Or maybe they were telling you the truth from the jump?

Because flu deaths in the State of Florida in 2017? 3,040.
2018? 3082.
2019? 2073.
2020? 3,195
2021? 2,842.
2022? 2,876

Consistent numbers that trended down. So, if covid was a hoax, where did those extra deaths come from? Are these made up numbers and those grieving families actually crisis actors?

Why would the Republican run state of Florida lie about it? Why would Texas lie about it? Why would Mississippi lie? Alabama? Kentucky? Tennessee? Wyoming? North Dakota?

Because for the hoax to be real, it requires that the entire healthcare system going all the way up to the Governor be in on it. That's 100,000s of 1000s of people across every single Red State. That's every country in the world too. They all reported covid deaths.

So which is more likely? A world-wide conspiracy to promote a hoax... or that it was all real?

Where did the extra deaths come from? Remdesivir was the drug of choice because Fauci has the patent on it. However, clinical trials of Remdesivir (available only by IV) had to be stopped because it is highly toxic. You’ll notice most deaths occurred where Remdesivir was administered. That is where the extra deaths came from. Most who treated themselves at home recovered. Why do you think that is?

What do I think of that? That it's some made-up nonsense.

Fauci has the patent? Really? Did you check that? I ask that rhetorically, because I know you didn't. Because I did. And it was not developed by Fauci. And he doesn't own the patent.

Stopped because it was highly toxic? I'd ask if you'd actually checked on that, but I know you didn't. Because I did. And in 2020 it was restricted for use in children and pregnant women critically ill with COVID. It was authorized in May of 2020. The WHO said in Sept of 2020 to stop using it as there was no indicated benifit. Not because it was so toxic. Further studies have shown benefit and since 2022 it has been widely available in the US.

And the extra deaths due to Remdesivir? Got any evidence for that? Or are you pointing to the high death rates of COVID as evidence? That's like saying eating ice cream causes shark attacks. Because when ice cream sales go up at the beginning of summer, shortly after that shark attacks go up.

“Changing graphs doesn't change the question: is Florida lying when they reported those 80,000 deaths to covid? Are they lying when they reported the flu deaths in the 2k range?

So which is it? Florida (and every single red state) is lying about their covid deaths and it's all a hoax or covid is real?”

Wow a blatant lie. That wasn’t a different graph. How weak and dishonest of you. Kind of defeats the purpose of answering but hell here you go. Your focused on Florida because why? I have not challenged Floridas numbers but I challenge other states numbers especially blue states. The overall numbers reflect the disappearance of the flu. There are 49 other states besides Florida. Someone’s not being truthful.

Why Florida? It's a long-time Republican run state. Invariably, if I started with New York, California, or Illinios' information you would say they're lying. And just as invariably, someone like you will say that the Red states are telling the truth.

Just like you've done. A couple of times in this thread. We've established that you think Blue States are liars and Red States are truth-tellers.

I start with Florida and link to their covid deaths and their influenza deaths. Now we have a baseline to work with. Then compare it to a state like New York. Where you find the same pattern exists. A consistent influenza rate and a sudden, explosive, massive amount of deaths to covid.

Now we have consistent information coming from a trusted source (the red state) and a untrusted source (the blue state). Two different sources are telling you the same thing.

That thing is that covid is real, and a lot of people died from it.

So, you have to make a decision. Are you going to stick with covid was a hoax, which means now you have to add every single Red State to the list of liars. OR. That you were told the truth from the beginning: covid is real and all those people died from it, and that you refused to believe it.

There you are, Bluessol. Are you going to double-down on covid being a hoax (and thus add every single red state to the list of people lying to you) OR will you abandon conspiracy theory nonsense and admit that covid is real and all those people died from it?

“Whatcha gonna go with?”
“ Please point to the part where it says weekly.”

Changing graphs doesn't change the question: is Florida lying when they reported those 80,000 deaths to covid? Are they lying when they reported the flu deaths in the 2k range?

So which is it? Florida (and every single red state) is lying about their covid deaths and it's all a hoax or covid is real?

“Where ever Statisica got that influenza rate for the 2021 year is dead-ass wrong. Florida alone would have accounted for 50% of the deaths that year. In 2021, Texas reported just under 3000 influenza deaths. Just those 2 states exceed the number in that screenshot.”

First in your zeal to refute any non conforming information you would have to note that the Statista chart says weekly. Now look again and see your entire mic drop moment is destroyed.

Where does it say weekly in the graph? That graph is organized by year. You can see it clearly on the left side. Those are years.

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Please point to the part where it says weekly. Feel free to use as many red arrows as necessary

Or, and this is the simpler easier part, admit that covid wasn't a hoax.

Because to stick with it being a hoax requires that all those red states you said you trusted to be part of the hoax. The Republican run states are part of the conspiracy.

Whatcha gonna go with?

Who said Florida lied? I would expect that Republican state to show the truth. That there were just as many flu deaths as there was in previous years. No drastic decline. If Florida posts the truth doesn’t mean all states report the truth. We know the leftist ones don’t. Try New York let’s see their yearly count of flu deaths

Ah, so then you accept that when Florida reports that 86,850 people died from covid, they're telling the truth. Covid is real. It is deadly. It's not a hoax. It is more infectious and deadlier than the flu.

And looking at the CDC's reporting for New York influenza rate:
2018: 4,749
2019: 4,286
2020: 4,756
2021: 3,757

Once again, consistent numbers of deaths.

Where ever Statisica got that influenza rate for the 2021 year is dead-ass wrong. Florida alone would have accounted for 50% of the deaths that year. In 2021, Texas reported just under 3000 influenza deaths. Just those 2 states exceed the number in that screenshot.

Here's the CDC's tracking (which is collated from the state's themselves): https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/flu_pneumonia_mortality/flu_pneumonia.htm

Everyone else’s numbers are wrong. The people that perpetrated the big scare are right. So put your mask back on and lock yourself inside your house.

Oh, so we're back to Florida is lying about their numbers? Because that's what it requires: the very state you just said you trusted now has to be lying.

So either Statistica is wrong or Florida, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Kentucky, and every single red state run by Republicans is lying (and thus in on the hoax).

Which is it?

Wow 2000? how many died of the flu in the prior years? It’s not strange that the influenza death rate plummeted?

Instead it ballooned? Immensely?

How many people you know that died of the flu, in the entirety of your life, let alone in one year?
How many you know died in 2020 of the hoax that Invermectin and a shot of Ajax under a UV lamp can cure?

Says it right there. "unusually low". Case closed! Covid deaths are fake and theyre admitting it!!
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It's just not fair!

That just proves the point. Flu activity isn’t Covid activity, or are you saying Covid is the flu? 😂

Ok....

You seem to be implying the unusually low amount of recorded flu deaths in 2020 proves that the covid deaths (or some of them) were fake.... Basically the normal ≈40,000 flu deaths or so that we normally see happen annually... DID happen in 2020 ... but for that year, those deaths were counted as covid deaths instead of flu deaths. If I am wrong about what you think so far feel free to correct me.

For this^ be true, I would expect to see a normal amount of flu circulating in the community. However, as it said, flu activity was unusually low..... 0.2%.......

(For reference, we usually see between 26.2% and 30.3% flu activity. )

So.... To put it another way.. flu activity "virtually disappeared".

And considering flu activity virtually dissappeared, it would be logical to expect flu deaths to also virtually disappear. Basically you should expect barely anyone to die from the flu if barely anyone is catching the flu.

So theoretically... it would seem you will either have to expand your conspiracy to include them also flubbing the flu activity numbers ...or... consider that your initial assumptions might be faulty.

Clubbing flu activity numbers or incompetent or lying. The flu historically dropped so low as to be nearly undetectable? Really? that’s your “proof”. It is imminently more likely that the flu held to a similar number and covid deaths were exaggerated by the missing normal flu deaths. But you believe what your told without question all you want. Ya that’s it, the flu disappeared almost completely that year unlike the decades and decades before. What a coincidence.

"......unlike the decades and decades before. What a coincidence."

Another "coincidence":

2020 was unlike the decades and decades before. There were a bunch of different variables nationwide in our society.... and globally... compared to the decades prior.

If you're going to pretend nothing was different in 2020 and we as a society all just went about our lives exactly as usual than sure.. it would seem quite strange for the flu to suddenly crash (apparently for no reason).

But I'm sure you think that barely anyone flying in planes or travelling (definitely not to China anyway), kids staying home from that cesspool of viruses known as school, everyone sanitizing and washing their hands more, wearing masks in public (and some even in private), barely even going outside or in public in the first place, business lockdowns, an uptick in flu vaccination, social distancing / illness isolation .......... all of those things would not do anything to the flu.

They were clearly just power moves by the deepstate to turn America into "Nazi Germany" and scientifically could not have any affect on the flu. I mean they didn't stop covid dead in its tracks right? If that stuff didn't stop covid, than it would clearly also not stop the flu.. right?

Ive said this a million times but Covid is not the same as the flu.

And 2020 was different (in terms of our actions as a society).

If things are being done that have never been done before, it doesn't seem crazy to expect to see results which have never seen before.

Not only did the flu and common cold rates go down, but so did allergy symptoms with pollen, smoke, airborne stuff like that... and for the reasons you posted. From masks to staying in, it's not easy getting negatively impacted by something you're not getting negatively impacted by.

USELESS TRIVIA FOR COCKTAIL PARTIES TIME: During lockdown, birds reduced their volume while singing. Because of the reduction in traffic and other noises in public, birds didn't have to compete as much against noise pollution.

You contradict yourself,
“ I mean they didn't stop covid dead in its tracks right? If that stuff didn't stop covid, than it would clearly also not stop the flu.. right?”

Exactly the point. If it didn't stop the flu then why did the death rate nearly disappear? Because it didn’t, it was rolled into the Covid numbers to increase the fear and panic so people like you would accept a reduction in civil liberty and allow the government to dictate more things you are allowed to do. Biden said if we were good we could have people over for Thanksgiving! Pffffft if that’s not increased control I don’t know what is.

"You contradict yourself,
"I mean they didn't stop covid dead in its tracks right? If that stuff didn't stop covid, than it would clearly also not stop the flu.. right?" "

That was^ me assuming your next point. I've been having this conversation for 3 years and that's a pretty standard response.

"Exactly the point. If it didn't stop the flu then why did the death rate nearly disappear?"

The data shows flu activity nearly disappeared. I think I already mentioned that up there^ somewhere. Flu deaths basically did the same thing.

"Because it didn’t, it was rolled into the Covid numbers to increase the fear and panic so people like you would accept a reduction in civil liberty and allow the government to dictate more things you are allowed to do."

Surrre it was...
They just HAD to inflate the covid deaths by 25,000 (typical annual flu deaths)......because without that, it would've only been 325,000 covid deaths. And that's just not enough to scare anyone! 🙄

"reduction in civil liberty..."

Nope the left chart is covid and the right is the flu. Clearly shows that the flu disappeared essentially during Covid. Notice the regular flu spike in 2018 larger than the 2020 and 2022 covid spikes. That’s the flu without covid existing in 2018. You like being lied to and will vehemently defend the liars to your and humanities detriment.

Kindly respond to my comment, not to your own.

The only bogus narratives are the ones you parrot from your misledia sources. Where did I say it wasn’t real. I’ll wait.

I’ll respond how I see fit. Oh you thought I would take the old Ajax story as serious. Repeating absurd lies doesn’t make you smarter. You probably claim Joe Biden is a brilliant genius with an amazing memory too. 😂