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It’s hilRious they say both those things. Ignorance should always be ridiculed

I would possess a vegan for a day and eat nothing but red meat in front of their vegan friends and ruin their social lives in real life and on twitter 🤪

Nice :)

Well, gender surgery is skewering your own body, going hunting with your dad is killing a deer to eat.

gender = sex, sex = biology, biology = *not easily changeable*

Sorry Octavia, but at 8 years old, even if someone believes they aren't what they're being told that they are, and even if they're right, they are nowhere near able to understand the implications of making a decision like that. To let a child of that age do so, is beyond child abuse, it's just sick. It's human abuse.

You can talk about it and try explaining to them wait a few years to think if this is really what they want and not something they’re feeling pressured into doing to/for themselves.

I agree that people shouldn't feel pressured into getting SRS or hormone blockers

Especially children

Yes

Fair enough. As long as they're not allowed to make that decision. We don't let them make other, far less personally impactful decisions. Talking about it is fine, assuming the parents are in charge.

Well, how do you know an 18 year old who shoots up a school with their AK-47 isn’t trying to understand whether or not they’re a school shooter?

Bwahahaa! 😁👍

Congrats, you now understand why we can’t understand your arguments.
“It's not about being "mature enough". It's about someone understanding who they are”
Going on hormone blockers and cutting off your dick to try and “understand who you are” is just as illogical as shooting up a school to see if you were meant to be a school shooter even though your parents told you to be a doctor.

"Going on hormone blockers and cutting off your dick to try and “understand who you are” is just as illogical as shooting up a school to see if you were meant to be a school shooter even though your parents told you to be a doctor."

I don't understand your argument. Understanding one's gender identity and getting sex reassignment surgery are two different things.

Well, what’s the point in a gender identity? It’s pretty much the same as Zodiac signs except dumber. Instead of an the idea that you were born at a specific time and given a specific personality, it’s the idea that the earth mother put you in the wrong body. As I’ve said before, creating your own identity is illegal. You don’t choose your identity and your identity isn’t what you think you are, it’s what you are. If you’re below average in height, you’re below average height. Just because you feel you are above average or believe the earth mother put you in the body of a 5’7 man but you belong in the body of a 6’0 man, doesn’t make you above average height.
It’s pretty simple to understand your identity, I understand mine perfectly and I don’t need to take a college course to understand it. I have a p**is and testicles, I’m 187 cm in height, I’m 95 kg, I have dark brown curly hair, I have a square shaped jaw with a slight overbite, my shoe size is 12 wide (US), I have light brown eyes, and I’m an American of primarily Germanic decent. I didn’t have to take a college level course to figure that out, I didn’t have to contemplate my entire existence to figure it out, and I didn’t have to talk to a guidance counselor. All I had to do was spend about 8 minutes thinking about my measurements, what’s in between my legs, my ancestry, my hair and eye color, and think about where I was born.

8 year olds are capable of making that decision to mutilate themselves? 8 year olds don’t get confused?

Some thing 8 year olds would not be capable of doing. Let them experience puberty first before they understand who and what they want to be!

And if they understand all that before puberty?

I don’t believe they would understand at the time they’re making the choice to transition. That’s too much to expect from a child

True, but they don't always have to wait til after puberty to understand it, and by then it could be more difficult to transition

I’m still not sure about kids transitioning before puberty, but I don’t think we’re gonna reach any more common ground here, so… agree to disagree?

Or they could simply just go by biological sex. As you guys like to say “gender is a social construct”, so why does it matter? It’s just a stupid fantasy built around body dysphoria. Hormone blockers can be very destructive, breast binding is destructive, and most importantly cutting off your junk is self destructive.
So I must ask you a few questions.

#1. Can you define gender without using the word “gender”?

#2. Can you define a woman without using the term “woman”?

#3. Can you define a man without using the word “man”?

#4. Can you tell me why forcing pronouns is any different than forcing adjectives. (i.e forcing someone to call you “a monstrously attractive and brilliant man)

#5. Can you explain to me why this supposed gender is more important than biological sex?

#6. Can you explain to me how people can’t become trans, but you also believe in gender-fluidity?

#7. Can you explain to me why gender identity isn’t an attack on biological females? For an example Joe Biden could come out as gender-fluid and say that he’s going by Robinette for the day. Wouldn’t that ruin the chance for a real biological woman to be the first female president?

#8. What the heck is trans non-binary? I’ve been trying to figure out what that means for a while now.

#9. With the argument that the idea of binary gender was only practiced by western colonists, how does that make it wrong? That seems pretty racist to mean, “Well, it was white people who came up with that and everyone knows skin color determines intelligence”.

#10. There’s been many people who became trans and then decided that they were “cis-gender”, how do you know you chose the right gender? Now you could argue that there’s plenty of religious people who became atheist or converted to a different religion, so how do you know you’re the right religion. But by saying that you’re admitting gender-theory is no more than a neo-religious cult.

6. Gender fluidity is simply people who may wish to neither identify as predominantly male or female. They may identify as both masculine or feminine or neither. No one has to believe in gender fluidity, anymore than they have to believe in capitalism, Christianity, or any other social construct. It merely exists because people are these things.

7. There will always be people who abuse social constructs. I don’t think anyone is strictly against preventing such abuses. However, it is more likely Robinette Biden would be considered the first transwoman President rather than the first woman President if he did do so. That isn’t to say there isn’t a real concern over athletes who may be hijacking the trans movement for their own purposes. I’m open to discuss options for that that do not preclude generalizations of all trans people or discriminating against them to strictly exclude them.

8. It’s similar to being gender fluid but it’s specifically applies to people who wish to be neither identified as male or female. They typically prefer they/them pronouns. They may not identify as trans at all. They’d want to be androgynous. Like Prince or Justin Beiber. Not that either of them would strictly identify as Non-Binary.. maybe David Bowie.. anyway!

9. There is nothing wrong with considering gender binary, it is simply archaic. Given the US the intent of the constitution was not to discriminate, though it has been argued that it both has or hasn’t, but that the constitution remains ambiguous to many people in terms of equal rights, an amendment has been in place for decades since the civil rights amendment went up, it is entirely possible that transpeople may be the result of enforcing binary gender roles on the sexes have harnessed the very dysphoria. A sort of social loophole has presented itself to this relatively small minority.

10. Eh, no. Only 5% of the people who transitioned, detransitioned. And there may be many reasons why they’ve done so which may include fear of discrimination or other social pressures. Naturally, you wouldn’t want someone to detranstion against their will or because they fear discrimination, would you?

https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/

Further, people who choose to be something then change their mind does not immediately lead to cultism. See people who’ve switched political parties, switched baseball teams, switched careers, and… as you pointed out, religions.

“Gender fluidity is simply people who may wish to neither identify as predominantly male or female. They may identify as both masculine or feminine or neither. No one has to believe in gender fluidity, anymore than they have to believe in capitalism, Christianity, or any other social construct. It merely exists because people are these things.”

Well, why don’t we simply get rid of masculinity and femininity? To quote the leftists lord and savior “If people are to know and understand the real world, they must give up on superstitious beliefs because they have a narcotic effect on the mind.” —Karl Marx
We must simply tear down the ideas of masculinity and femininity and we’ll be able to gain true understanding. They’ve clearly led to people believing they were put in the wrong body by the earth mother because they enjoy playing with toys aimed at the opposite sex.

“There will always be people who abuse social constructs. I don’t think anyone is strictly against preventing such abuses. However, it is more likely Robinette Biden would be considered the first transwoman President rather than the first woman President if he did do so. That isn’t to say there isn’t a real concern over athletes who may be hijacking the trans movement for their own purposes. I’m open to discuss options for that that do not preclude generalizations of all trans people or discriminating against them to strictly exclude them.”

Once again, your ideals vs reality. Example being Amy Schneider was declared the “first woman to earn $1 million or more on jeopardy, not the first transgender woman.

“It’s similar to being gender fluid but it’s specifically applies to people who wish to be neither identified as male or female. They typically prefer they/them pronouns. They may not identify as trans at all. They’d want to be androgynous. Like Prince or Justin Beiber. Not that either of them would strictly identify as Non-Binary.. maybe David Bowie.. anyway!”

Once again, why aren’t we simply tearing down the pointless social construct of masculine and feminine and going off biological sex.

“Well, why don’t we simply get rid of masculinity and femininity?”

“They’ve clearly led to people believing they were put in the wrong body by the earth mother because they enjoy playing with toys aimed at the opposite sex.”

Or we could just leave people alone. I am not a leftist but closer to conservative-libertarian. I don’t think think it’s the government’s place to impede any individual’s pursuit of happiness, which the Declaration of Independence specifically outlines as a goal for the Constitution to ultimately allow.

“ Once again, your ideals vs reality. Example being Amy Schneider was declared the “first woman to earn $1 million or more on jeopardy, not the first transgender woman.”

And how would you address this concern without excluding or discriminating against Schneider? Again, I outlined my shared concern but obviously no one is putting forth an alternative other than exclusion which is something I cannot abide.

“ Once again, why aren’t we simply tearing down the pointless social construct of masculine and feminine and going off biological sex.”

I tackle some of this question in regards to why gender dysphoria is on the rise but it is poorly worded. I have a hypothesis that because we are using biological sex as a social construct, limiting or reducing people down to their biological sex, people who are dissatisfied by those limitations put in place by current societal norms have created the very gender dysphoria. Perhaps we shouldn’t put those pressure on people at all. I’m not strictly advocating hormone therapy and puberty blockers, genital mutilation… these are symptoms of the oppression people feel confined to their roles and values which are based on sex and not on merit, skill, or whatever they believe holds them in place due to the kind of genitals they are born with.

I am not saying fundamentalism, orthodoxy, or other old ways should be shut out or removed, you would have me as an ally if that was what I saw happening. But I am also against enforcing fundamentalism onto others who not only do not desire it but find it inherently oppressive. My family comes from the Amish, and my ancestors left to pursue their own path. It is important to allow people to do this, is all I am saying.

Otherwise, what is the point of America?

“And how would you address this concern without excluding or discriminating against Schneider? Again, I outlined my shared concern but obviously no one is putting forth an alternative other than exclusion which is something I cannot abide.”

Simply consider him a him. His own personal beliefs are irrelevant to the context. For an example if I’m Catholic, but I think it’d be entirely idiotic to declare that a preist who did something significant is the “First father to (enter thing here)”. Which also goes towards pronouns that enforcing pronouns would be the same as a priest throwing a temper tantrum because someone didn’t address them as “Father”. I would believe the priest is a patriarch and father of a parish, but that doesn’t make him a father in a secular point of view.

“I tackle some of this question in regards to why gender dysphoria is on the rise but it is poorly worded. I have a hypothesis that because we are using biological sex as a social construct, limiting or reducing people down to their biological sex, people who are dissatisfied by those limitations put in place by current societal norms have created the very gender dysphoria. Perhaps we shouldn’t put those pressure on people at all. I’m not strictly advocating hormone therapy and puberty blockers, genital mutilation… these are symptoms of the oppression people feel confined to their roles and values which are based on sex and not on merit, skill, or whatever they believe holds them in place due to the kind of genitals they are born with.”

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but not the right to ignorance. As far as I know there hasn’t been any studies that showed biological women to be as strong as biological men and if there were they’re far outweighed by studies that showed men were in fact stronger. Women can give birth men can’t, if you start having gender dysphoria because of those facts that means you have some underlying mental problems already. And if you have mental problems you should treat them not encourage them. I have an inferiority complex about my oddly small wrists, but I don’t take HGH to increase my bone width. Why? Because I’m at least slightly sane and can understand that just because I see issues with my body doesn’t mean I need to try and “fix” those issues. I’ve never seen a liberal encouraging government paid cosmetic Botox (and)or Limb Lengthening. I do however see leftists encouraging government paid gender transitioning. It’s a mental illness and these

Or we let people be what they want and not criminalize or prevent them from doing that over petty differences.

That includes people being allowed to hate or disagree with the transpeople.

You can disagree with them.

You cannot deny they exist or prevent them from existing under constitutional law with bogus claims of religious freedom and child protection.

Yes, children deserve protection and people should have religious freedoms, but not in a way that discriminatorily impacts the freedoms of transpeople.

And if you replaced the word “transpeople”with the phrase, “those with a mental disorder” my sentiment still applies.

And I would be weary of allowing the government to decide who does and does not have a mental disorder to justify discriminatory laws. As well as people who have an agenda to “cull” people, as you put it (without somehow killing or torturing them, which is ultimately impossible).

Today you might not be the target of such culling.

Tomorrow? Especially if you did get what you want?

Who knows? Maybe they’ll find a new group to cull.

And maybe, you’ll find yourself among them.

You should be very careful of people who want to get rid of undesirable people for who they are rather than the individual and contextual actions they do.

“Or we let people be what they want and not criminalize or prevent them from doing that over petty differences.”

You were never supposed to let people “be what they want”. Let’s say I want to be a physician, but I cannot be a physician because I do not meet the job requirements. You’re supposed to let people pursue happiness, not let people live out a lie. Ignorance is bliss, but by being ignorant you never truly pursued happiness, but rather just ignored what was uncomfortable. In order to achieve true happiness I must accept that I have small wrists and that’s alright and in order for trans people to achieve true happiness they have to accept that they were born one sex and not the other and that’s alright. The bliss of ignorance is similar to taking high grade pain killers, it only makes you think you’re not in pain.

“And I would be weary of allowing the government to decide who does and does not have a mental disorder to justify discriminatory laws. As well as people who have an agenda to “cull” people, as you put it (without somehow killing or torturing them, which is ultimately impossible).”

I entirely meant killing them. In a secular society there’s no such thing as “human rights” it simply goes back to nature and who’s the bigger fish. So with eugenics we could fix fertility rates through standardized sperm counts, we could do standardized intelligence tests, physical tests, test hormone levels, genetic and DNA tests, keep human pedigrees to decrease COI, temperamental tests such as Big 5 personality tests, etc. By looking for those things we could cull off less than ideal specimens and achieve greater human standards. We could progress more as a society since standard human intelligence would increase allowing A.I to progress further. Personally, I find that to be morally wrong, but I mean if leftists really want that then so be it. I just want there to be a decided truth such as killing an innocent human is wrong, or killing is not wrong under any circumstances. There can’t be legal abortion and illegal murder. Gender needs to either be binary, or non-binary it can’t be both. If we decide to take the route of pure dictatorship, pure anarchy, or simply have consistent laws I don’t really care. Either it’s fine for a man to ask a little girl if she’s sexually attracted to men, or it’s wrong to ask a little boy if he’s sexually attracted to men, it can’t be both. We either follow some sort of religious truth or simply follow natural law.

“You were never supposed to let people “be what they want”.”

Not according to the Constitution.

“You’re supposed to let people pursue happiness, not let people live out a lie.”

That is not for you nor the government to limit outside of fraud. Which, again, I partially concede the sports argument is a legitimate concern. Beyond that? The choice to be what you want should remain. We’re not making laws that make it difficult to become a physician, but the standards are set by academics. So who is the authority on whom becomes what gender? The individual. Sure, we both believe in a Supreme Creator, others believe in nature or science; regardless of what determines the biological sex, the changing of one’s social role should remain up to the individual. At no cost to their civil liberties.

“Ignorance is bliss, but by being ignorant you never truly pursued happiness.”

I disagree. Ignorance is not bliss at all. Ignorance breeds prejudice. And prejudice just leads to frustration, confusion, and irrational hatred. You seem to believe that transpeople are unaware of their biological sex. You are being very ignorant if you really believe they do not understand what their biological sex is and the social limitations that come with it besides reproduction. Their decision to choose a new genders role which is outside the social norm of their biological sex is suppose to be a social compromise. It is not a sign of ignorance nor is it always a sign of delusion. And those who wish to exclude them are merely unaccepting of their social compromise. And that’s fine! I don’t care. Unless they use that to discriminate against them. Especially through legislation. Then I DO care.

“I don’t really care.”

You’re lying to yourself. Which is an example of being delusional. You care very deeply and so do I. But you want to change the people. I want to keep the government from doing that.

That is where we disagree.

“I disagree. Ignorance is not bliss at all. Ignorance breeds prejudice. And prejudice just leads to frustration, confusion, and irrational hatred. You seem to believe that transpeople are unaware of their biological sex. You are being very ignorant if you really believe they do not understand what their biological sex is and the social limitations that come with it besides reproduction. Their decision to choose a new genders role which is outside the social norm of their biological sex is suppose to be a social compromise. It is not a sign of ignorance nor is it always a sign of delusion. And those who wish to exclude them are merely unaccepting of their social compromise. And that’s fine! I don’t care. Unless they use that to discriminate against them. Especially through legislation. Then I DO care.”

Well, it is not a valid social compromise. If a girl said she did not find enjoyment in the traditional roles set upon women I wouldn’t care, if she said she was in fact a boy because she liked the Incredible Hulk I would care. Beyond unfair advantage in sports there’s also bathrooms, prisons, locker rooms, etc. The problem is there’s no way to confirm whether or not someone legitimately feels no sexual attraction towards the opposite sex whatsoever. As a result women have to fear getting sexually harassed/assaulted because they’re forced to be “tolerant”. I’m fine with the concept of “tomboy”, but I see no reason why a tomboy should count as a real boy. If literally all they were encouraging was that girls can like G.I. Joe and boys can like Barbie, I would be accepting of that 100% I watched My Little Pony, Barbie, Strawberry Shortcake, Disney Princesses, and Winx Club as a kid ‘cause I was beaten by girls in number 1-4. Gender ideology is trying to say that would make me a girl, but no it would not. Sure, I’d play Barbies with my little sister for up to 6 hours straight, but that doesn’t make me a girl. I wouldn’t care too much if it was simply an attack on the concepts of “boy things” and “girl things”, but it’s an attack on biological sex in general. They went the distance, but they have no intention of stopping. You learn the moral in 1st grade with “If You Give A Mouse A Cookie”. They’ve had gay marriage for a decade and now leftists are saying you’re a bigot if you don’t find transgender people sexually attractive. They entirely rely on being the victims and as long as they’re the victims someone else has to be the oppressor.

Soon having a normal brain will make you a bigot, even if you consider yourself an “ally”. Because they’re going to run out of extra ways to make LGBTQ+ people seem oppressed. If you actually just have one singular sexual partner I don’t really care, gay or straight. Have more and you increase the risk of the spread of STDs which is my problem with hookup culture. The main problem with gender ideology is they can’t answer the questions of “What is gender?”, “What is a woman?”, or “What is a man?” and these are people who went to college to becomes supposed “experts” on gender theory. I don’t consider myself an “expert” on dogs, but I consider myself an enthusiast and I could come up with a pretty solid answer for what a dog is. A dog is a mid-sized mammalian and member of Canis, especially but not limited to Canis Familiaris. Known for their acute senses up smell and hearing, they’ve been part of human civilization for thousands of years as both utilities and simply companions. They typically communicate through body language, but also through growls and barks.
It’s hard to describe dogs as a whole considering there’s over 400 different domestic dog breeds all with varying sizes, temperaments, skeletal structures, and abilities. For an example a Greyhound is the 8th fastest land animal I believe at up to 46 mph, whereas the Turkish Kangal is much slower, but also has an estimated bite strength 93 psi stronger than a lion’s. Nonetheless I think I did a pretty good job describing dogs as a whole and I’m just some stupid Carolina kid.

“We either follow some sort of religious truth or simply follow natural law.”

We program most computers in a binary system because this is the most simple way for them to understand what we want them to do. In programming, we like to think of computers as idiots. Not to blame them, but to put the blame on who programmed the computer. If a computer messes up, it’s not the computer’s fault, it’s just doing what it was told to do. It only understands binary!

Now, some might think computers are smarter than people. This is partially true! The human mind can only hold somewhere between 10 to 100 terabytes of information. The largest storage capacity of computers is currently in the petabytes range. A petabyte is equal to 1000 terabytes. So certainly a computer can potentially hold more information than the human brain. And if you placed 1 petabyte of information into a 10-100 terabyte computer, it would crash. But, does that mean that if a single human being, who went over every bit of code from a pt storage computer, they would incur some mental or physical harm? Not necessarily. Certainly if you forced a human to process 1 petabyte of data in a short period time, there may be side effects. But if given time to allow a human to naturally process and look over every piece of information, there would be little to no harm to the human being what so ever. And do you know why? Because humans process data in a much more complicated and versatile ways. Computers are programmed to handle such information in the most basic of terms. Binary. In other words, binary is just a basic form of processing information. It is not the only way to process information and it not the best way to handle social constructs like beliefs, ideas, science, government, and individuals.

Then rises the question what even defines science? One definition is “the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.” But there are “social scientists”, so that definition seems somewhat dated.
“a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.” Is another definition, but a lot of scientists say that religion and science are like oil and water, so that definition cannot be true for if it was theology would count as science. So either a theologian and gender studies major are equally scientists or neither are. But speaking of theology as good ol’ Aquinas talked about how one science comes from a higher science, so I suppose you could argue that both are simply lower sciences. But then you have to ask if it is possible for theology to be a lower form of science since it’s virtually a science explaining existence itself. But both are theoretically social constructs, but at the same time both seem to arguably count as forms of science. Just one is explaining the universe, the other is explaining the urge to cut off your dick and if green eyed people get paid more than blue eyed.
Then raises the question of if science itself is a social construct, I would argue that it is indeed a social construct and therefore one social construct concluding that another social construct is in fact a social construct is meaningless. Social construct “an idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society”, Science “a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject” those are virtually the same thing.

these people need help, which the left doesn’t support.

I can take a crack at it.

1. It is the identity for which you wish to be recognized based on your societal role when it comes to relationships.

2. Someone who identifies as female or possessing predominantly feminine traits or roles.

3. Someone who identifies as male or possessing predominantly masculine traits or roles.

4. Pronouns informal descriptions of nouns while while adjectives are are used to modify or describe a noun. I’m not sure how anyone is forcing you to do anything, but I believe it is still legal to maintain rudeness to a degree.

5. It isn’t. What is important is not using that to discriminate against individuals. While individuals refusing to use their pronouns can be discriminatory; making it policy in business or government, however, is.

“Someone who identifies as female or possessing predominantly feminine traits or roles.“

A female is the sex that can produce eggs, so how do you identify as that? If I was driving around in an R34 whether I said I identified it as an R35 or not, I’d still lose the car the minute a police officer noticed I was driving an illegal car. Why? Well, just because I identified it as an R35 doesn’t make it an R35. If I call it an R35 all that does is make me sound like an idiot.
Same example goes for males. A male is the sex that impregnates, whereas a female is the sex that gets pregnant.

“Pronouns informal descriptions of nouns while while adjectives are are used to modify or describe a noun. I’m not sure how anyone is forcing you to do anything, but I believe it is still legal to maintain rudeness to a degree.”

Well, people are getting charged with sexual harassment and fired for not calling LGBTQ+ people by their preferred pronouns, so your ideals aren’t the reality of it all.

“It isn’t. What is important is not using that to discriminate against individuals. While individuals refusing to use their pronouns can be discriminatory; making it policy in business or government, however, is.”

But then you have to ask yourself “what gives these people equal rights to me” a transgender “woman” is weaker than a man, but still can’t bear children. A transgender “man” is even weaker than a man and also most likely can’t bear children. There’s over four times as many atheists who are leftward leaning than right, so they have nothing to give value to these evolutionarily inferior humans. As a Christian I don’t believe you should kill them or anything, but I do however believe you shouldn’t slice up their body and give them unnatural hormones. But in terms of having a socially secular civilization I have full belief that the logical thing to do would be cull any humans who show significantly undesirable traits (i.e A lack of heterosexual sex drive). Sort of like culling any males whose testicles failed to drop in a eugenics program, or females who had late fertility cycles. So basically you guys need to either choose science or make the woke cult official.

“ A female is the sex that can produce eggs, so how do you identify as that?”

The same way many languages have feminine and masculine words that do not inherently produce eggs but denote a context of femininity. You’re continuing to look at this biologically rather than in service to social norms. Women are not just defined by their ability to produce eggs as not all women are fertile. In fact, some 19% of women in the US are infertile but are still identified as women.

“Well, people are getting charged with sexual harassment and fired for not calling LGBTQ+ people by their preferred pronouns, so your ideals aren’t the reality of it all.”

Because discrimination is illegal. Which includes people who refuse to use desired pronouns. As determined in this case here:

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/31/1032929550/virginia-teacher-transgender-pronoun-supreme-court

So, as I stated, rudeness is still not illegal.

“ But in terms of having a socially secular civilization I have full belief that the logical thing to do would be cull any humans who show significantly undesirable traits (i.e A lack of heterosexual sex drive)”

There is a long history of people wishing to cull significantly undesirable traits based on race, religion, and yes, even sexual orientation.

You might want to read up on what happened to those people.

I’ll spoil the ending for you.

They lost.

Because they force us and our children to cooperate, otherwise we could care less.

First off that’s what I’m asking you. Why do I have to call a human a donkey just ‘cause they ask me to? Second, it matters to me because I’m pursuing truth rather than simply accepting relativism. Third, would you tell a child who was about to cut their wrists to stop and rethink things? Or would you say “Good on you kid for understanding that it’s your body and your choice”?

https://www.wagmtv.com/2022/05/16/middle-schoolers-accused-sexual-harassment-not-using-preferred-pronouns-parents-say/

fax

apples and oranges- I can't get anywhere in society without money, I can most certainly get through society without calling myself a woman

Money is a social construct representing the labor you put into the economy, but what is your gender social construct based around? My gender social construct is based around biological sex. And why’re are you discussing politics if you don’t think it’s your job to explain your opinion on political matters? Believe it or not, in a debate you’re supposed to explain why you believe something is important.