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I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that most leftists do indeed know that they are being played by their leadership but that then again -- like sexual masochists -- leftists LIKE being toyed with while their intelligence is being mocked by their own leadership.

Wow... that almost takes all of the fun out of pointing out what idiots they are.

yep . . . a-l-m-o-s-t.

I think what I most like is that special 'deer in the headlights' look that leftists exhibit every time a conservative gets the best of them inside the Politics Stream . . . or in other words . . . all of the time.

AOC's mask off/mask on for photo op/mask off was featured on Newsmax today and here's a screenshot from Mediaite.

"Rules for thee, but not for me."

But it's OK: she's a Democrat!

Talking to AOC, Hank, not you! Love you memes!

I agree but, in truth, I just wanted to continue to provide ever-closer shots of AOC while memeing on her.

If someone can post one of just a single pore on her forehead, my life will be complete.

Worse actually... The lights are on, there is someone home - but that someone is AOC - which makes it a mad house.

Can’t wait to show this to Biden’s door to door vaccine corps.

The Sturmabteilung?

No... wait... that was another guy. My mistake. :D

Yep. New science here: imgflip.com/i/5iqc7e

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And will be that way for a loooooong time. I reccomend you go see your doctor to check your TDS.

But that's a false dichotomy. It's not one or the other. No one on the right has ever said the virus is fake. It's obviously real. I also think that masks probably work in some contexts to some degree, although it's probably only a minor effect. However, the larger problem is that too many people on the left are using the pandemic as a means of political control.

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lol but it's not a false dichotomy.

"But that's a false dichotomy."

No, it isn't. I have not said it's either one thing or another. Please learn what a false dichotomy is.

"No one on the right has ever said the virus is fake."

Unfortunately, that isn't what the majority of attitudes around here would have you believe. Many deny the virus as nothing more than the flu when there is now tons of evidence to suggest otherwise. Congressmen Bob Good have called the pandemic phony despite acknowledging the virus is real. They also severely and, in a few cases, intentionally downplay the virus which has cost over 600,000 deaths and almost 300,000 in a single year. Let alone 4 million people worldwide. This is most certainly a pandemic.

Many memes that reach the front page continuously say masks are ineffective.

I respectfully disagree that the larger of the two problems is people on the left using the pandemic as a means of political control. I would argue the actual pandemic is the larger problem, if not the largest.

“It is fake” and “it is nothing more than the flu” are not the same thing. Why are you conflating two completely different statements? Can you not think clearly.

Both are equally wrong.

You presented the argument as an either/or situation (ergo the basis for a false dichotomy): "Either politicians need to more consistent or masks don't work/the virus is fake". However, those two choices are not the only options available. Technically speaking, what you presented might be more of a straw man, but I think the way you framed it still presents a false dichotomy on some level.

As for your other claims, you vaguely cited the "majority of attitudes around here" as evidence that people claimed the virus was fake. However, citing general "attitudes" does not constitute credible evidence.

Stating masks are ineffective also does not constitute a claim that the virus is fake.

I think you simply mischaracterized the views of those who are skeptical of many government and leftist claims surrounding the pandemic.

You should really read what I wrote.

What you think you read:

"Either politicians need to more consistent or masks don't work/the virus is fake"

That IS ABSOLUTELY a false dichotomy. However, I didn't say that.

What I actually said:

"I agree that politicians need to be more consistent. That doesn't mean masks don't work or the virus is fake."

And no, I didn't imply anything to your argument rendering your entire point moot. The only conditional part of my statement was "masks don't work or the virus is fake" That is not a false dichotomy so much as an acknowledgement of a level of failure of comprehension to the seriousness of the pandemic. Especially among the unvaccinated who wish to use politicians inconsistency as an excuse to ignore what scientists, doctors, and experts are saying.

The idea being, if they're not following the guidelines, why should we?

The answer is simple. Because they are vaccinated and a good portion of people from, mostly from red states, are not. At least, at this time. I'm actually quite optimistic despite the unhealthy amount of skepticism my fellow conservatives seem to share. Not at government officials but by the large consensus of medical community. That kind of skepticism can literally be unhealthy.

When you claimed, "I agree that politicians need to be more consistent. That doesn't mean masks don't work or the virus is fake," you presented two options whether you knew it or not. On one hand, you have the sensible answer: "politicians need to be more consistent". On the other hand, you presented an option that no notable person has ever held in its entirety: "masks don't work/virus is fake". It is true that you didn't present this in the form of a question, but you answered it in the form of an issue which has two options.

Technically it may be considered more of a strawman than a false dichotomy, but I think it resembles a false dichotomy.

At the end of the day, I think the underlying error of your statement was that you said "that means". I have never heard of anyone claiming that the need to more consistent politicians also requires one to adopt the additional beliefs that masks don't work/virus is fake. You also did not present any such evidence.

Look, this isn't as big of an issue as this seems as it relates to the virus. I already agree with you that politicians need to be more consistent, that masks can work, and that the virus is real. We may disagree on the specifics (e.g. the circumstances in which masks work or should be worn), but not on the basic question.

You should really read what I wrote.

What you think you read:

"Either politicians need to more consistent or masks don't work/the virus is fake"

That IS ABSOLUTELY a false dichotomy. However, I didn't say that.

What I actually said:

"I agree that politicians need to be more consistent. That doesn't mean masks don't work or the virus is fake."

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“I already agree with you”

Then why are you arguing?

“we may disagree on the specifics… but not on the basic question.”

There was no question.

Let me explain it in a different way. Set aside the false dichotomy discussion for a moment. You wrote two sentences that were necessarily related because you used the phrase, "That doesn't mean...". Your second sentence, "That doesn't mean masks don't work or the virus is fake" has no foundation in the first sentence, but presumes to have it.

In other words, nobody has ever claimed that the need for more consistent politicians is connected to the belief that masks don't work or the virus is fake. However, you presented it as such.

You seem to really have a problem separating whether masks work/virus is fake from politicians being inconsistent.

The OP is literally calling AOC a hypocrite. Hypocrisy relies on a lack of consistency. So my comment in regards to that is valid.

The OP is also using the meme as means to discredit mask use or the seriousness of the pandemic because they immediately claim that “You” are being played.

Ergo, the OP may be inferring that masks don’t work/virus is fake. I am merely inferring with my own response both (AOC is a hypocrite) and (Masks work/virus is real).

You, on the other hand, claimed my statement is a false dichotomy. If that were true, then you are acknowledging, just as I am, that politicians can be inconsistent and the virus is real/mask work or you simply do not understand what I’m saying or know how to argue.

Please go back to school and come back when you can make an argument.

At this point I’m just repeating myself while you are just pretending to have some kind of point.

You don’t.

"How else is one suppose to take that message? How is believing AOC’s conduct a con, unless masks or the virus itself a con as well?"

You are supposed to take it as political theater; she is behaving in a way that is directed to the cameras when they are rolling, but when they are off she behaves in a very different way.

All the other inferences that you claimed about the virus being fake or masks not working are not justified by the meme.

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This person just admitted I’m not the only one inferring this.

The difference is, he thinks masks don’t work.

"This person just admitted I’m not the only one inferring this.

The difference is, he thinks masks don’t work."

There does not appear to be anything in that person's comment which "admitted it". Even if there were, however, it still would not change the fact that the OP's meme did not comment on a topic that you are claiming he did.

You are drawing inferences which are not supported in fact. Claiming, "the OP may be inferring that masks don't work/virus is fake" is completely unsubstantiated.

Yes, the OP is commenting on a lack of consistency; but no, the OP is *not* commenting on whether or not masks work, or whether or not the virus is "fake".

You have inserted them into the discussion on your own, but they are unrelated to the topic of the meme.

No, the inferences of the OP’s meme are not supported by fact.

Hence why I added my initial statement to clarify.

It isn’t unsubstantiated. The meme covers masks and even covid-19 and vaccines are used in the description, as well as the message of “you are being played”

How else is one suppose to take that message? How is believing AOC’s conduct a con, unless masks or the virus itself a con as well? And if they aren’t, then why do you, or anyone else for that matter, even have a problem with what I am saying?

You’re treating my meme as an accusation rather than a clarification. In other words, you’re being overly defensive about a set of statements that you’re now trying to claim have nothing to do with each other but, in fact, do.

Again, please learn to debate. Your attempt here was pathetic and held no substance what so ever.

It means that either A) they don’t believe covid is a serious threat to them or B) they don’t think those moronic face masks protect them.

It proves they are lying.

No, it only proves AOC is gullible and are acting on bad faith.

AOC assumes everyone around her has been vaccinated. They know that the virus is an extremely low risk among other vaccinated people even if it can be spread among them. Yes, she should’ve kept her mask on and no, she shouldn’t just wear it for photo ops.

It does not mean that they think covid is not a serious threat nor that the face masks do not protect others. Masks are meant to prevent transmission not to prevent reception. If we were serious about the latter, we would be mandating goggles.

Or that YOU are guillable and willing to make excuses, and go long ways to do so, for your own political party. I mean, do you even believe what you just said here? Seriously? Certainly you can't expect people here to be that dumb.

I’m not the one pointing at politicians being hypocrites and using that as excuse to forward my personal agenda tho.

What do you have a problem with what I said exactly?

Like I said, you coming out with excuses for AOC. It all starts here "AOC assumes everyone around her has been vaccinated. " so you are assuming that she assumes, and you are basing your whole argument on that... an assumption of an assumption. How much vague can you get? No, you are not the one exposing politicians for their hypocrisy, you are the one making out outrageous excuses for ther bad behavior. Why? Because it is the political party you associate with and somehow it makes you look bad so you must act defensive, no matter what. Unfortunately an assumption of an assumption is the best you were able to come up with, nothing of essence and value, but then you question me acting dumb about it.

But I’m not excusing AOC at all.

I said:

“Politicians need to be more consistent.”

“AOC is gullible and acting in bad faith.”

“She should’ve kept her mask on and no, she shouldn’t just wear it for photo ops.”

These are not excuses. They are valid criticisms. And they are not in AOC’s favor at all.

It’s actually a pretty good assumption that most of her constituents, Democrats, are fully vaccinated.

It doesn’t excuse her behavior but it does explain it.

No it does not explain it. Again you are going off an assumption. Your logic is not valid. She is a hypocrite.

And her being a hypocrite is no excuse for you to not wear masks or get vaccinated.

You sound scare beyond reason. You probably also assome I am over 70 years old, the age group that COVID has higher risk of death, which I am not. I am in the 99% survival rate age group. Also there is 0 evidence that masks works, several scientist go back and forth on that, or slow for that matter. You still have not convinced me why I should wear a mask. You also assome I did not know the difference of asymptomatic. At any rate, I am not affraid of a flu like virus with 99% survival rate. My 65 year old mother got it, took her almost two weeks to recover, and her ass went back to work after, and she is a nurse assistant at a hospital... just like any other illness. Obesity (and heart disease from it) still the number one killer in America and I do not see you preaching exercise and eat healthy, you are just preaching fear given to you by your brain washing media.

You asked, I answered. It isn’t my job to fix stupid.

well, I was hoping that you would provide me a reasonable case that would convince me. Can't fix brainwashed.

I did provide a reasonable case.

It's not my fault you're not convinced.

It's pretty obvious you don't care or are only willing to pursue the path of least resistance.

Just like the people on Jan 6th realized it was no longer a game when Ashli Babbitt died.

One day, you'll see it's not a game too.

And hopefully someone won't have to die for you to see it.

Your recent coment is out of context with this meme. I am not who is being questioned. Clearly mask mandates apply to peasants like us and not them who enforce it. Clearly they do not believe masks works, why should I? I will entertain your derrailing post by asking you, why should I wear a mask? I do not have COVID, and well into a year of COVID not wearing a mask.

“Clearly they do not believe masks works, why should I?”

This statement completely undermines your point here that:

“Your recent coment is out of context with this meme”

Clearly it does if it vindicates your faulty logic.

“why should I wear a mask?”

I’ll happily answer your question.

Some people infected with Covid-19 may be asymptomatic (infected but show no symptoms) or presymptomatic (infected but not yet showing symptoms) and both are capable of spreading it. Anyone infected can spread the virus through water droplets spread through the mouth and nose.

The mask is to help contain the majority of these droplets to prevent them from infecting other people who may be more susceptible to the virus and become symptomatic.

Most masks are unlikely to prevent you from exposure. That is why it’s important everyone wear a mask, including the vaccinated, as the CDC has confirmed they are still asymptomatically infecting each other (which may even lead to further mutations) and the unvaccinated.

At first, the virus only seemed to largely attack those with weakened immune symptoms and the elderly. This is quite usual for most viruses. What was unusual was that it has a fatality rate at least above 1%. Meaning if we allowed the virus to mutate, and it has, it could potentially become more deadly and spread among those who weren’t as susceptible. It is very important that we wear masks to prevent the spread and contain these mutations. Vaccines will also help with this. Yes, we may develop a natural immunity if a number of the weaker mutations infect the populous. But this process is slow and can take decades, if it even happens at all. That is why masks work and it is your civic duty to get a vaccine. The faster the virus is contained, we can get back to normal and arguing about other things rather than what people think is or isn’t real.

If you don’t believe me, here is some reading that I implore you to actually read.

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/08/10/asymptomatic

https://www.gundersenhealth.org/covid19/the-asymptomatic-and-pre-symptomatic-spread-of-covid-19/#:~:text=Someone%20who%20is%20asymptomatic%20has,can%20spread%20the%20infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#Spread

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html