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So you support a nonviolent protest in China (that failed) - but not one in the USA that worked... Doez a protest have to involve allowing yourself to be killed... In order to get your respect?

https://sports.theonion.com/nfl-players-absolutely-should-stand-for-the-sunday-nig-1828555041

https://youtu.be/vy-zACYVKqk

https://youtu.be/8_5zWIwDjGM

I made no inference as to my support or lack thereof. I'm simply pointing out that this man truly "sacrificed everything" for what he believed in and your hero has not. But please, outline for us what exactly your hero has accomplished other than enriching himself
? Or to use your words, how has his protest worked?

Or where he is today? I'm sure those in power hate Tank Man as much as the right wing racists hate Kaepernick and have as vehemently tried to diffuse and degrade his protest as "disrespectful" and "dishonorable."

The success of the protest is measured in the amount and type of discussion it generated. Because it is a LOSER topic for the hegemonic paradigm - all discussion of it is positive - even yours.

Prior to Kaepernick's PEACEFUL, PRINCIPLED, and NON-VIOLENT protest-The only way the news would cover this issue was with images of angry black mobs, and images of burning and looting. Or police clubbing protestors - because their peaceful assemblies were declared 'unlawful', for instance.

While the anger being expressed is justified - it was the sort of imagery that racists and supporters of an unjust system, just love.

The Rev. Dr. MLK Jr. (and NAACP, SNCC, SDS - et al) used similar tactics (to Kaepernick's) to oppose segregation and white supremacy. The images of the Watts riots (a reaction to unaccountable police violence, segregation and white supremacy) were something that he was trying to prevent, by his principled opposition - but which the system and media loved to broadcast, and conflate with it.

The tide is already begining to turn. In the intervening time - police have been charged (where appropriate) at a MUCH higher rate than in the past. Here in LA - the police attitude, procedures and messaging have all been undergoing a dramatic transformation. We are not yet where we need to be... But we have made positive strides and movement. The visible protest of Kaepernick, and those who've joined him in opposition have drawn light to the issue. They have also drawn HEAT - from both overt and unconscious racists. That the President of the US Government has been drawn into the fray - is a success. Sure he advocates suppression of 1st Amendment protected free-speech, blacklisting and violence...but when doesn't he do that? It has exposed him and his supporters for who and WHAT they are. That is a victory. Kaepernick has sacrificed at least 1 year of his career - while still in his physical prime. That is plenty of sacrifice to ask of anyone. In that he is similar in his principled stand to Muhammad Ali - who gave up his belt (and was threatened with jail) over his stand against the US' war in Vietnam. At the time he was attacked. Now he is well regarded. Same with Kaepernick. Two years ago in SD, (alleged - SD) ChargersFans shouted and jeered at Kaep - while members of all four branches of the US military attempted to block view of his protest - with a WHITE sheet...1observer pointed out that such action is usually taken by people WEARING white sheets.

No, it isn't. People griping about it one way or the other does nothing to end police brutality. If it did, no more killings would have occurred after all the conversation from the Michael Brown incident, or the Eric Garner incident, or the...or the....or the... Selling shoes does nothing to end police brutality. If any real changes have occurred it is due to a mandate from the masses not some farcical sideline ceremonies.

And please stop using the Trump smokescreen. The height of national attention to black people being killed by police occurred during the black President's term of office and he did ZERO to put an end to it.

Finally, if you are against police brutality then you should speak out for people of all races not just your own.

In closing, in my opinion, your hero isn't so much interested in ending police brutality as he is in profiting from it. And you will never convince me that he didn't create his social consciousness to try and reduce the backlash he got for sitting on the bench during the anthem.

You're entitled your opinion - regardless of how backwards and uniformed it is. We in the movement for police accountability accept that there are those whom we will never be able to convince - regardless of evidence.

What matters is the broader public opinion. Kaepernick's, PEACEFUL, PRINCIPLED, and BRAVE, exercise of NONVIOLENT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE - has helped push to raise the bar and standards for justice in this country. I accept that you refuse to deal with reality.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-edge-laquan-mcdonald-murder-210231925.html

What has your hero accomplished besides a large payout for himself?

That NIKE would feel safe enough to get involved - is a CLEAR METRIC that public perception has been shifted. I've given you enough other examples that an intelligent reader can see that you're wrong.

And Kaep would likely have made more with a back-up's salary, commercial endorsements and post-play commentary jobs - had he toed the line and never spoken up. So again - you fail in your mission - of tearing him down.

Who's crying now? Players' protests continue - and police culture is being reined-in... Double happiness.

Perhaps both, but that's not at issue.

But it is a clear demonstration of willingness to sacrifice everything for one's belief.

Who did I label a traitor?

Your straw man arguments need to be more clever and less overt.

My wants had nothing to do with that man believing in something and sacrificing his life = his EVERYTHING.

Your hero created a public relations issue for himself by sitting on his ass and, in my opinion, invented the "protest" angle in an attempt to not look like a douche.

I don't care if he stands, sits, or kneels. My issue with your hero is that he is disingenuous and used the misery of others to safeguard his lucrative contract and avoid fines.

Well said!

Maybe he’s talking about the NYT op-ed author.

Did Kaepernick ever actually say (or even imply?) that he believed that he sacrificed everything? or was that just a slogan Nike came up with?

It's all created by experts in manipulating people's sensitivities to gain market share. In plain words, it's a bullshit phrase designed to get money out of the pockets of anyone who believes they've been wronged by police, "the man", or society in general.

Police abusing you?
Wanna get even? Buy our shoes, that'll teach them!

Well I gotta say it seems like a pretty f*ckin brilliant marketing strategy. People who support Kaepernick will be conned into buying the shoes... Meanwhile people who do not support Kaepernick will be trolled hard enough that they'll make hundreds of memes involving the words "Nike" and "Sacrificed everything".. ;p
(free advertising?)

His protest has had tons of free advertising this whole time. Even the president has tried to silence him and it's a silent protest! XD

What had it accomplished?

Calling attention to the disproportionate numbers of people of color getting shot by police? Regardless of whether you feel anything has been accomplished, and in spite of the racists who refuse to acknowledge the issue and have relentlessly tried to turn it into something it's not by focusing on the military and the flag, all the attention has led to millions of people being made aware of the problem, which is the initial point of any protest: to call attention to something. Whether the protest itself led to official policy changes, the more widespread use of body cams on police, the pressing of charges, conviction and firing of offending officers, no one can really say for sure. But it's probably helped. Usually when govt agencies are doing something wrong and it starts getting bad press, protests and at least a light of scrutiny shining on it, people start being held accountable and changes in policy start happening. How can you know for sure it hasn't accomplished anything?

Oh, I wasn't aware that no more unarmed people have been killed by police since your hero started sitting/kneeling.

YOU keep bringing up military, patriotism, etc., but that is NOT at issue. The issue is centered on a self enriching pretender and a clothing manufacturer using the suffering of others to get wealthier, not cure social ills.

Why can no one articulate what this ad campaign and the individual being endorsed will do to end the deaths of people at the hands of the police. I'm willing to hear it. But the parroted pablum is insufficient and getting boring.

As for racists - you and your ilk keep ignoring the large number of unarmed whites that are killed by police....or do you not care about the unpigmented? Describe how that is not racism? Bigotry?

Educate me.

Good grief, please read my comment again because I addressed at least two of your paragraphs already. I don't keep bringing up the military, that was the previous distraction before Nike got involved. Now it's about a clothing manufacturer making money. Anything but acknowledging the actual reason for the protest, eh?

I'm not the one kneeling, ya know? We're talking about why Kaepernick did it. You can't admit he's kneeling to call attention to POC getting shot by police but you want me to start talking about Caucasians getting shot? Is that what it's going to take for you to admit changes need to be made? Or do you want to keep talking in distractions?

Exactly. Even my dribble is part of that machine

Clarify "dribble". Wait, come to think of it, please don't.
Oooooh, you mean "drivel"? OK, got ya.

The two words, both meaning to drool, are interchangeable. Thanks for being one of "those" that lack substantive points of view and rely on pointing out typos, spelling, grammar, and word choices to imply the author lacks sufficient intelligence to make a valid statement.

Tell me if I get this word correct for describing you and your kind - TROLL.

Close? If not, please correct me with something other than caustic rant.

Your hero has not harmed me.

Describe what his "protest" has accomplished.

Lame troll attempt Dave.

In all fairness, the slogan encourages people to do much more than buy shoes.

What?

You don't know what inspiration is? Believe in something. As in, black people not being unjustly killed by police. Believe in something, racial bias reduces to the extent that incarceration rates between races and classes comes pretty close to the same. Even if it means sacrificing everything. Stand up for what you believe in and do something about it. Stand up to the referee if there is sexism. Demand equal treatment. Stand up to that bully that is tormenting someone else. See? All sorts of people can be inspired from the slogan to a noble cause regardless of the personal impurities of the face of the slogan. You're fighting against social justice by calling attention away from the message from Nike and Colin regardless the value of the message. You are engaging in whataboutism and trying to dominate the news cycle with your hateful message.

Last troll argued my meme and comments drew attention to the cause. Y'all need to work out an agreement on rhetoric.

What is my hateful message?

Social justice is worthwhile. His argument doesn't make me wrong nor does my argument make him wrong. I am ok with "your" rhetoric differing from each other as I am ok with "our' rhetoric differing from each other. There are still ingrained forms of racism in America. There is evidence in schools, in policy, in finance, in business, and in the president. Fighting against social injustice is worthwhile. I see that he still has probably a millions dollar paycheck. I also see that he is not able to get on any NFL team despite his skills. The NFL declines to fight for social equality while Nike, with whatever profits analysis, has chosen to stand for social justice.

The NFL (as an organization) has gone beyond just declining to fight for social justice.. their new "kneel in the locker room where nobody will see or else the whole team will be fined for your actions" policy is evidence of that.

Their policy is currently on hold. It was a stupid attempt to squelch dissent and pander to their pal. The player's union pushed back.

First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then YOU WIN! - Ghandi.

How about black people hold themselves and their community to a higher standard? Why don't you address the facts that blacks commit 8 times the crimes of other Americans? Or that they are responsible for 51% of all murder charges.
These are FBI sourced facts btw.
Facts not feelings.

Well, we should also address institutional problems that probably contribute to these statistics in many ways. Communities divided by highways. Reduced working opportunity. Redlining. Lack of access to financial instruments. Higher rates of incarceration for drug offenses. Worse penalties for the same crimes. Jim Crow laws. A much greater loss of wealth in the Great Recession than among whites. Cultural bias. Waste dumping near black communities. Etc.

Don't be a criminal and commit crime and the police won't have any excuses to arrest you. Hard concept. Try it..

How much crime is of necessity? How much of it is people "doing what they got to do" in order to provide for their family? It is not a simple problem. It is far more nuanced than you give it credit for. #stayinschool

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He used a moment to make a silent protest before a damn football game. Like really? Who cares? He's not hurting anyone. He's not out in the streets fighting with people or yelling in their faces. His protest couldn't be more peaceful. All this complaining about Antifa here and look, you people are never happy. It's so obvious that the real issue with Kaepernick is that his protest garnered so much attention. How dare a black man protest police brutality against African-Americans in this culture of white supremacy in the us?

When you give those protesting against protesting equal defense then I'll consider your point of view.

I'm not arguing again at his right to protest, I'm disagreeing with it.

Stop the straw man TROLL tactics.

Protesting = 1st Amendment activity.

Protesting - AGAINST - protesting = ANTI 1st Amendment activity.

And the protests are/were against UNACCOUNTABLE MURDERS committed by police - so protesting against that - is endorsing unaccountable murder by police... How hard us that to understand.

Not all shootings by Police are 'unjustified'. Someone shooting a gun at police - is giving them due cause to act. Someone unarmed... shot while walking away - with hands up... by an abusive and racist cop ...whom a system (run by a racist DA) uses perjured testimony to absolve - is being murdered without accountability. Freddie Gray was killed WHILE IN HANDCUFFS and in the back of a Police Van... What part of this don't you get?

Blah blah blah .... Describe the accomplishments of this "protest".

Is English a Second language for you? You asked - I answered - once already. Getting to a place where a Fortune 500 company would take Kaepernick's side - is another gauge in the shift in perception. What did your protestor accomplish? From what I see China is no more "democratic" now than then. Winnie the Pooh is outlawed - because people use him to mock the country's leader...

I see the changes in policing in my own community. I suppose that you're just predisposed to ignoring reality, and supporting the white supremacists' take on things.

Police inTexas and other places have been charged and CONVICTED of manslaughter while on the job - where in the past this almost NEVER happened.

http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/sns-bc-us--police-shooting-officer-charged-20180904-story.html

I suppose that you are used to shouting racist at anybody who disagrees with you.

And your perception of police conduct is not a measure of accomplishment.

Again, name one concrete thing besides self enrichment has this "protestor" gas achieved.

I call racist ONLY the people I see exhibiting the signs and symptoms.

What did David Meggessy accomplish? You could just as easily, argue against the obvious facts there, too - but he's "white", so why would you?

And as someone who has made multiple arrests, without excessive force - and witnessed many more, of both kinds - I can SEE the differences that you willfully refuse to acknowledge. Enough of your fake intellectualism and feigned curiosity. You're a Trumptard. It's pretty obvious now.

Lol defend those "protesting against protesting?" And who would that be exactly?

Just one comment ago you were the only enlightened individual here and now you can't gleen what I mean? C'mon man!

You could easily be referring to a couple of different things here but if shying away from specificity is your comfort level then have at it. For a minute there I thought you were actually making a point besides your usual "troll" and "strawman" diatribes.

You have the right to counter protest. But it’s usually better to do so when your counter protest is justified.

Counter protesting Kaepernick says you support Police corruption

No it doesn't. However, I am not protesting his "protest". I am CONTESTING his motives as well as his having sacrificed NOTHING.

Look up the word “sacrifice” in Webster’s dictionary.

It’s a word that can be applied to many things.

1. Pushing a kid out of the path of a oncoming car ? That’s sacrifice.

Soldiers, cops, firemen? It happens but no more than anyone else’s acts of bravery or sacrifice.

All protesting is justified isn't it?

Shouldn't you sacrifice everything for what you believe in?

Agreeing with your hero says you support getting rich off of police corruption and murders.

No one.

Hero? Who’s my hero??

You tell me so I don't waste another moment of life making assumptions.

Sure isn’t Kaepernick, I support what he did though.

Hmmmm? My hero? I’d probably have to go with D.B Cooper.

I don't support him or his endorsement deal. DB Cooper on the other hand was at least interesting.

I don’t support the average and daily routine of law enforcements corruption and abuses so we’re even.

Aside from all this, you're making statements/jokes in support of social equality elsewhere?

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He got shut out of the NFL. That is what he lost. You want to go on about how he couldn't have seen that coming now?
You're arguing that THIS man is disingenuous. You could still be supporting social justice. I was asking if you were. Since you're separating the man from the cause.

It was a ploy to get dumped so he could become a free agent and make more money on his contract buyout than he would have playing. But no franchise owners wanted to hire a public relations nightmare.

Plan backfired.

Now a shoe company is making him rich and he's suing the NFL because no team wants to hire him.

But let me ask you, why haven't I heard a word about his "activism" from the time he left football to now?

Could it be because there wasn't any?

I'm wise to the ways of trolls. If I say I'm all for social justice you call me a liar and spend the next 50 posts providing excerpts from my previous comments as "proof".

When did he die? Look, he left the scene alive.
https://youtu.be/CxDd82Myqis?t=1m47s

I watched the whole thing on the news when I was a kid. I know what happened that day. Don't know what happened when the cameras went away. Do you?

The Chinese man standing in front of a tank risked his life, his "everything" , and without financial gain.

An American sitting on his butt on the sidelines of a football stadium and profiteering risks nothing.

You can't know he died. You claim that he died. You're a liar.

You are a liar.

Average citizen stands in front of tank vs. millionaire kneeling on sidelines.

Who is sacrificing everything?

Social justice is worthwhile.

Are you just trolling? What tyranny is he standing up against, and how is he standing up against it?

Not sure how that part of it escaped you @@

Your not paying attention to the real America. We are not free.

And there are simply so many laws that expose this it can’t be posted.

Luckily we have plenty of men and we men who will deploy force in order to suppress public unrest.

Rules don´t make tyranny,
but no rules make Anarchy.

Say good bye to everything you value when there are no laws.

Yeah, the “law” that says which side of a street I can walk on? Thank the imaginary god we have that.

Can you imagine the total blood soaked chaos without it?

I’d be in constant fear unless people were threatened with deadly force to make sure blinkers worked.

And let’s not forget the importance of seat belt safety as we get that ticket from a cop on a f**king motorcycle. Or the cop why was just talking on his cell phone.

To much bs to count and it all has only 2 purposes. To make everyone a offender and put into the system. And revenue extortion. WOO HOO. USA!!!!

Oh and if your about to say love it or leave it? How unrelated on non original

Still tyranny is not defined by having rules, but the way of enforcement of the rule.
There are ways to change laws and thanks to USA being a democracy you got a part in it.

Why would I say love it or leave it? You should stay there all time else you might come to my country.

Oh, I was under the false impression you were American. Now that I know otherwise?

Don’t give the shit I just took about you or your opinions.

Well most people here are americans so it was reasonable to assume that.

BTW Seatbelt on motorcyles would kill people while in car they safe people. That is a reasonable law in my opinion.

A law that you have to walk on oneside of the row seems overboard to me. But it is not even close to some crazy laws you got.

https://www.boredpanda.com/stupid-funny-laws-united-states-captain-scoop/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

No he was kneeling down to Tyranny

Half the nfl. Maybe 3/4s