Why don't we all just do what is best for ourselves and F society?

DId I say "fathers should leave their kids" or "it would be better if fathers left their families"? If I didn't say either of those things Gum, then I did not advocate men leaving their families, I stated that people that praise women for doing what is best for them self should praise men for doing the same. I thought you said you were an educator, you should know the difference.

So you didn’t say; “I hope you praise men who abandon their children and did what was best for themselves”

I honestly don’t see anyone who supports abortion, “praising women for doing what was best for herself”

It seems to me you get mightily emotional when someone does the very thing you’re doing to them, to you.

I’ll tell you what, I’ll apologize if you can find me an elected official saying exactly what you said anywhere.

https://shoutyourabortion.com/writing/im-proud-of-my-abortion/ --- praising women who did what was best for them self..

That's more a rallying cry against Roe v. Wade being overturned than congratulating individuals for it.

Still, all good tries.

I gave you a link to people praising each other for having abortions and I gave you a headline from NBC news about an elected official praising herself for having an abortion because it was out of a convenience issue- I would not expect you to hold to anything you said regarding an apology - being a straight liberal wearing the skin of a republican , I know now that you don't stand for anything or are man enough to admit a mistake.

Again, no pride is being administered here but rather encouraging people who’ve been ashamed to speaking up to show why it’s necessary to keep abortions elective.

It’s not the same thing.

The elected official praised herself for walking in, not specifically the abortion.

Not the same thing.

What you’re afraid of is people encouraging people getting abortions AND vindicating their decisions. But most of these scores of vindications, which can be viewed as encouraging others to get them; have only manifested recently.

Did you think overturning Roe v Wade would not have consequences? Did you not think that by taking the option away people would just accept it?

I get that the agenda is to ban at least elective abortions; and that is fair, but let’s not pretend the propaganda for abortions wasn’t going to intensify.

It would be foolish to think so.

I maintain that if you find a single politician who gives even a “good for you” to anyone who got an abortion, not praising themselves or trying to spread the word and speak up if you have an abortion and think others should have that option - then I will happily apologize.

I just don’t see that happening here.

I’m sure you do.

You can continue to judge me and call out whether I’m a liberal or not. I am an American citizen and I am your neighbor, and there are millions of us in this country.

We’re not going anywhere.

And if Republicans continue to radicalize their politics instead of compromise to unite all Americans; expecting that divisive gap to close is just utterly foolish.

elected official - New York Attorney General Letitia James gave a fiery speech at a rally in New York City Tuesday afternoon and disclosed that she had an abortion nearly two decades ago.

Pregnant as a newly elected New York City Council member, "I walked proudly into Planned Parenthood. And I make no apologies to anyone," the Democrat told a crowd of protesters filling a square in Lower Manhattan.

Nah, that's not praising women for getting an abortion. Being proud to walk into a place that is frequently shamed doesn't consequently mean being proud that someone chose to do something out of what they believed a necessity, desperation; or both.

She is praising herself for having an abortion so she could pursue her career. Actually most do it out of convenience - like this elected official did.

And that’s for them to decide. That’s not exactly praising others for doing it. And just like a politician, she worded herself very carefully. She said she was proud to walk into Planned Parenthood, not that she was proud she got the abortion.

splitting hairs - she was proud to walk into planned parenthood to get an abortion to advance her career .

Not really.

I told you: I’ll tell you what, I’ll apologize if you can find me an elected official saying exactly what you said anywhere.

They have to exactly say it. “I was proud to get an abortion” or “I’m proud of the women who got an abortion” or “proud of you for getting an abortion”

There is a difference in praising women for the specific choice made and for having a choice.

Maybe there isn’t a difference to you.

I don't know which is worst, the fact that you claim to be an educator and , AGAIN, misread the very simple text on the meme. Or , You claim to be a republican yet consistently use libtard tactics such as, purposely taking some text out of context, rewriting the text you took, and then trying to use the out of context, rewritten text to make it seem like i said something I did not. This is what I wrote , If you praise "person A" for doing "X" that serves their best interest be sure to praise "person B" for doing "X" as well. Is that simplified enough for you to understand yet?

So, by your own admission you're a liberal since you're taking things out of context or quoting someone who is. (Though, likely joking if he did say that.)

I know that I stand for my beliefs without changing them according to social outcry. I hold some liberal views but most are conservative. What turns my stomach is when someone stands for nothing and simply bleats the current trend out of their mouth.

I feel the same way when Tucker Carlson rhetoric bleats out of people’s mouth.

In order to believe in something, you have to be a sheep. What makes you a shepherd is when you guide others to your flock, or back to it.

I don’t flock with any sheep but at the same time, I don’t go preaching that people should or shouldn’t do something. Except obvious murder or extremely heinous crimes.

And while I understand why people want abortion to be murder, or see it as such, I generally do not. Not unless it’s past the middle of it’s second trimester, and only then when it’s not elective.

And when the abortion poses little to no harm to the mother.

Other than that, elective abortions should remain a choice. If I were a woman, I would not get one ever due to my personal beliefs. But that is too easy for me to say. And if I had unintentionally got a woman pregnant, which I’ve been lucky so far, I would not want her to get one. I would be angry if she did not discuss it with me but I somehow doubt the majority of people clamoring for the criminalization of elective abortions have ever really been in that situation other than hypothetically. I can sympathize for people who have, but other than that, I condemn those who refuse to understand why someone would be so desperate as to find such a thing necessary.

I say this to you in the interest of understanding my position. I don’t expect you to adopt it and I continue to wish you luck in this fight.

I just hope you know it’s not going to be easy and vilifying people isn’t going to change anyone’s minds.

If you even care to do so.

I much rather have a good fight or debate, or preferably a conversation, like I do with Octavia Melody about beliefs , opinions and current events- than speak to someone that stands for nothing and just wants to criticize people and act like they have some kind of moral high ground. In life you are going to offend people, instead of coddling those people that get offended at everything and doing your very very best not to stand for anything, so you never offend anyone , take a firm stance on something you belief in and show people that are offended by it, they will be fine even after being offended. If you simply said your position like you did in your last comment above^ I could have said "I agree" and this entire thread would have been much shorter.

"In order to believe in something, you have to be a sheep. What makes you a shepherd is when you guide others to your flock, or back to it."

What is the "shepherd" guiding his flock to? His beliefs? I thought you said if you believe in something you are a sheep.

A Shepherd has strong beliefs , and people that don't have beliefs are the sheep that he has to guide . Sheep take no stances , they play both sides so they don't get eaten by wolves.

I don’t think you can tell the difference between sheep and wolves.

You appear to detest both.

Sheep are the people that have no moral courage to stand for themselves and have no independent thoughts.

Wolves are the radicals on either side that attack anyone they feel have disagreed with them.

The Shepherds are the ones that speak facts without emotion, and try to bring light into a world of lies and deception.

False shepherds speak nothing but lies and their "facts" are spoken with pure emotion and change from day to day.

And you are right , I do detest sheep and wolves - I hate the weakness of the sheep , and I can't stand wolves that target the helpless.

Somebody's having pronoun trouble

haha, what a knee slapper, I'm dying laughing, hahahaha

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