Best Government, is small Government

"I'd suggest that the "general police power" reserved under the Constitution to state and local governments allows for the imposition of quarantines in the interests of public health and safety."

The states power to police does not override the citizens fundamental rights. And this is why you see the memo from AG Barr to direct US Attorneys to monitor the stay at home orders from state and local Governments for Constitutional abuse.

Of course.

And I'd agree that throwing people in jail if they violate quarantine is counter-productive at best, unconstitutional at worst. Fines are better, but still not ideal, seeing as many have been economically impacted.

At the end of the day, the best method isn't enforcement but voluntary compliance.

You don't get much voluntary compliance by running around calling it a New World Order plot against our freedoms and protesting the lockdowns without observing proper protocol, however.

Voluntary Compliance. LOL. If this pandemic was being handled by Voluntary Compliance, there would be way more deaths and cases. Some people just don't listen to orders. Oh wait, and liberals are saying Trump is making it worse. If a Democrat were in charge, we'd be doomed in this pandemic.

If a Democrat were President right now, I think we'd have seen much larger conservative-led anti-quarantine demonstrations much earlier, even if the same sorts of actions were taken.

Please....its always the least educated who leads with the quip "all people who don't agree with my views must be uneducated".

Yeah, just like you gave up on your old username...

Well, we can't stop people from saying what they want, even if you believe the language is conspiratorial and impacting voluntarism.

So in the end, the rights of the individual will supercede the reach of police power. Thank God.

They can say what they want: provided they comply with the same sorts of "time, place, and manner" restrictions on free speech that have been held to be Constitutional during normal times.

LOL...this "saying fire in a theater" is not applicable.

People have the right to question the Government, even if done in a conspiratorial manner.

Dont waste my time with this.

Yelling "Fire" in a theater is fully legal. Its the effects of you doing that (i.e. manslaughter, injury) that are illegal and will get you put in jail.

They need to get permits if they want to hold large rallies, and local governments have the right to deny them in the interests of public safety, just like during normal times.

I think you're talking about California and Newsom's recent directive to order the immediate denial of all permits?

This is now being challenged in court. So we will see just how much water your theory holds.

Wasn't really talking about that -- I was talking about pre-covid laws, and that's something new. Sounds like states weighing in on matters typically left to local government. But if it's content-neutral, serves a significant interest, and leaves open alternative channels, the restrictions are in theory constitutional.

The inevitable challenge ensues. Does it hold water in court? We'll see.

I put Corona and Covid, because a lot of people are affected by government's authoritarian policy that's not even based on real math and science, but a government controlled media that spews propaganda while government denies people their (constitutional) individual rights. Also, the whole thing is a farce, for individual states already violate our rights, take the Sullivan-Act for example, look that one up and ask why it still exist? So according to "police power" logic, it would be perfectly ok for the states to deny the 13th Amendment and bring back slavery. I should also point out, that its government's job to protect life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness (autonomy) as an example. That is, its supposed to protect you from being killed by me, not protect you from yourself. The meme simply advocates that government stick to the constitution, which it hasn't, being that its constantly violating our rights. It doesn't matter if its federal or state, they shit on our rights. Apparently corruption can't be restrained.

The only way to restrain corruption is to get moral people in government. Guess how we do that. Wells since morals in our culture originated from Christianity, we should spread Christianity. There is a direct correlation between the fall of Christianity and the rise of corruption.

Nah, Christianity is full of pedophiles, that didn't and won't work.

No, the catholic church is full of pedophiles. Christianity is full of moral people. I'm not talking about organized religion.

Well, you cannot push one religion as having a monopoly on morals. I know lots of Christian folks that are good moral people, but don't think your the only ones. There are pagans, Taoist and other religions that have good morals as well. So we cannot have one set religion. What we need is competition in private schooling, so parent can choose what religion if any. Problem solved.