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There is also the penny trick. Girl puts a penny between her knees and as long as she keeps the penny there she is 100% protected. Just 1 penny! It is that cheap!

Which accounts for less than 0.03 percent of abortions.

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Sorry I misquoted its a whopping 1% for rape and an overwhelming >.5% for incest. Totally legitimate to keep baby murder legal for the sake of the 99% who just don't want to be bothered with a baby.

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Oral or anal? They support gay rights, so anal with your girl should not be an issue :D

I think you're conflating pregnancy with sex. Although one leads to the other, they are not the same thing.

Time for a biology lesson: The only time a woman can become pregnant is around the time of ovulation which happens ONCE A MONTH. The egg can survive only 24 hours, sperm can last 6 days give or take. Therefore a woman can only get pregnant about 10 days out of the month. It is possible for the woman to determine the time of ovulation with pretty accurately by understanding the signs her body gives her when she is fertile. A man is fertile all the time. So instead of pumping herself full of harmful hormones to stifle ovulation and give her a host of side effects or, put foreign objects in her body or make the man wear rubber a woman can just choose not to have sex during the time she's most likely to become pregnant. Don't want a baby, don't have sex. It's a non-brainer. And yes kylie most people can survive without sex for a week or longer without dropping dead ;)

That was all completely beside the point.

How is a woman's fertility (the ability to conceive a child) irrelevant from the question of whether that child deserves to live?

Changing the culture mindset that a baby is a disease to prevent, a cancer to be removed and destroyed, a barrier to financial success a curse to climbing the social ladder is the only thing that will make abortion unnecessary.

Well, there's that, and there's also the solution we already have, which is using contraceptives and morning-after pills if the contraceptives don't work. And I don't think any reasonable person goes and gets an abortion with the mindset that a child doesn't deserve to live.

Fetus= a living person on life support. I know you and Octavia don't believe it's a person, just another reason to justify killing it mercilessly.

I don’t think a fetus is a fully-fledged person, no, but my analogy works even if you do.

Is a person on life support entitled to use of your blood or other vital organs? No. Even if your refusal means they die

Can you donate blood, a kidney, bone marrow, or anything else from your own body if you choose? Yes.

Your analogy once works if you put the person on life support. Kinda. There's nothing tying your organs to that patient like a mother creating a life.

I felt I was missing something. Good point.

One of the most ridiculously stupid bogus arguments ever: "It's not killing a person."

Dafuq is it then, removing a piece of beef stuck between their teeth with a toothpick?
Might as well use that as an analogy.

If abortion wasn't killing a person, then they got these options:

A. Go to the Better Business Bureau and report the fraud.

B. File a Malpractice Lawsuit cuz some Dr lied to them.

C. Find a real way to kill the not-quite-infant infant before even they in their delightful hypocrisy can no longer argue that it's not an infant.

A rather prominent memer round these parts has this argument every other day, and I've been waiting for someone to finally point out that his amazingly circular argument is simply this:

Arbortion isn't murder because it's legal.
And
Abortion is legal because it isn't murder.
And that's because
Arbortion isn't murder because it's legal.
And that's because
Abortion is legal because it isn't murder.
Therefore...

That and some nonsense about not having achieved something called "personhood" yet means they ain't human because the stork brings baby home yadda yadda...

What's personhood you might ask?
Why that's when the kid is:
Potty trained?
Weaned off the teat?
Learned to speak?
Can tie those shoes all alone?
Can bath and brush teeth all alone?
Has gone to kindergarten?
Has gone to first grade?
High School?
Got a driver's license?
Got drafted?
College?
Old enough to drink?
Got a PhD?
Got a job?
Paid off student debt?
Marriage?
House?
Family?
Nursing home?
Funeral?

Thafuq does "achieved personhood" MEAN?

That and all these other fake arguments are excuses for people who need to unload into some bimbo who they can walk away faster than the entire 2 minutes they wasted doing the deed like the hypothalamus controlled writhing worms that they are.

They want responsibility over their bodies? Cool,
KEEP
THEM
DAMN
PANTS
ZIPPED
UP,
Ya clueless doinks.
DONE.

Humans are so stupid. We should raise the abortion age to at least 35yo and wipe em out.

Cull the herd.

While there's still time.

*only

What if i told you women have no control over their bodies once they start pumping hormones in it to stop ovulation. Having bodily autonomy should include saying no to sex if you don't want a baby.

I'm glad I live in a country that understands this and will never be altered along with several other first world countried

"I'm happy I live in a country where babies can have their brains sucked out cuz yay for murderous s**ts"

Hmmm, tell that to the courts who try criminals every day for choosing to use their bodies to bring harm to others.

Problem is I have to pay for or subsidize you and your illegitimate offspring's housing, healthcare, college transportation and retirement. So yeah.... it kinda impacts me.

Excellent point! Nobody should get to make the rules for someone else's body, including the baby's body.

Glad to see more pro-lifers on the site!

LOL

By what measure or standard does the woman have sole proprietorship over the pregnancy? What makes it hers?

BTW, Happy Spring Festival Octavia! Hope you are doing well! In fact, if you ever find yourself in Beijing, let me know, I'll buy you a drink!

Hey, do you speak Mandarin or Cantonese?

Very poor Mandarin, hahahaha!

I want to try to learn it but I'll never be able to read it.

Ten years ago when I was learning it, someone told me the following trick: I need to retrain myself on how I understand the written word. They used the example of the word "person." They said person requires that the letters 'e,' 'o,' 'n,' 'p,' 'r,' and 's' all be used and it will only mean person when assembled exactly in that order. Chinese characters use strokes instead of letters but then the same rules apply. For example, the same word for person is 人 (rén - pronounced like it is spelled but as if you are asking a question). 人 requires a downward left stroke and a diagonal right stroke. They must be done in that order and the second stroke must start halfway down the first. If you approach characters like this, just strokes used in a certain order and set placement, they will literally start to pop up in your mind what the meaning is.

I highly encourage and caution you if you do decide to want to learn mandarin. It is an incredible language to learn, especially considering how China has come on the world stage as a major player. Although, the caution would be to have a healthy expectation. My wife was able to carry a simple conversation in French and use correct pronunciation in like 2 months and assumed Chinese would be harder but not that much harder. French, a class 1 language, vs Mandarin, a class 4 language. Needless to say, she was super discouraged when all she could say was basic phrases after half a year. Every class 1 to class 3 language has some similarities due to root languages. Class 4 throws similarities out of the window. So ask yourself this, would you be committed to learning Mandarin even if all you could do is basic phrases after one year and be somewhat conversational after two?

This argument is flawed though. Consider then, why are men financially responsible, legally, during the pregnancy? If it is her body and takes place in her body, then have them foot the bill. If the father didn't take any part in it then child support should be illegal per your reasoning. I mean, the father didn't create that baby in her body... Fair enough, right?

“Who says they are?”

A majority of states when it comes to the law. Everything from wellness visits to needs like prenatal vitamins can be put at the fathers feet through small claims.

“Child support is for after the child is born, not during the pregnancy.”

But what responsibility does the man have for child support? Per your argument, he didn’t create it with his body so she should take care of it herself since she did it.

"No, because before birth and after birth are different things"

But both are her responsibility under your premise. I mean, take this example. Girl gets pregnant and the guy says abort it because I don't want it. She decides to keep it. She is solely responsible for the decision and therefore is solely responsible for the consequences because "after birth" can't happen without her allowing "before birth" to happen. The man, having made his sentiment known under your premise does not have a say so would not have any responsibility of the consequences.

Your premise is flawed for this reason: someone has sole decision making power and then the consequences are to be shared? That's backwards.

Name one scenario where someone else makes decisions for you and you share the burden of the consequences that makes sense...

"I had absolutely no say in any law that was passed before I became old enough to vote for the people who passed those laws, but I am still bound by those laws. I still have to obey them and if I don't obey them there will be consequences, even though I had no decision or say in them being passed"

But the law set into place does not convey a direct burden and sharing of responsibilities. In other words, you still made the conscious decision to break those laws, which makes you responsible. The passing of the laws didn't actually come with a direct consequence. Furthermore, the consequences aren't shared with the lawmakers.

In all fairness, I can see a case being made that I wasn't as direct as I could have been. So let me rephrase it to be more clear.

Can you name one scenario that makes sense where someone makes a decision for you that has direct consequences that you must share the burden of despite you not having a say in the decision...

"The fact that it relies on her body to continue, and takes place within her body"

"Child support laws are designed to help provide the for the child after it's born (that last part being the key phrase)."

But it was born because what the woman did and allowed to take place. So it is her fault and responsibility. So under your premise, child support is unfair.

Show me a pro choicer willing to adopt or take foster children in at the rate pro lifers are.

My cousin is one. There's probably plenty, those that can't have children, may adopt, and they may also be pro choice. Not hard to imagine.

True, look at Madonna. She's probably had 100 abortions.

And enough communicable diseases to require doubling up on the ol' radiation suit.

She refers to them as 'a full body condom'

Ewww, she is pretty disgusting tho. What the hell was Warren Beatty thinking.

Radiation suits?

Ugh, was about to warm dinner too, blegh,,,

Good for your cousin. I'm adopted and i know for a fact had my mother been pressured like any other young, poor, single, minority that found herself unexpectedly pregnant possibly by rape, I would have been aborted instead of adopted because she would have been convinced by a sick society that she wasn't fit to carry me to term. Heck in a third world country where I'm from she would have been more likely to die from birth complications than here in the US. glad she saw me as a person worthy of life, glad she didn't shout "my body, my choice " completely forgetting the life inside her and the impact I might bring to the world. Glad she was able to not be so focused on her own needs, wants, dreams of success that she gave me the gift of life. Glad she didn't just see me as a mistake, an inconvenience, the "rapist's child" glad she was not pro-choice.

This argument is both disingenuous and lacks reasoning. I should point out, I am not looking to attack you personally, just your argument.

With that being said, I can take the same approach with whataboutism and I can apply this to your champion causes. Climate change? I'd like to see climate change activists stop using cars, planes and any type of fossil fuels at the rate climate change activists demand we stop using them. You can't, because all your climate change leaders still use transportation that causes greater emissions than they say is appropriate. Furthermore, I'd like to see the left be as generous with their money at the same rate as how much they push for everyone to "pay their fair share." You can't do that either, because, statistically, conservatives drastically outpace in giving to philanthropic causes than their leftist counterparts in the majority of demographics (even in issues such as climate change that leftist claim to champion).

Now, I don't find this approach productive because it doesn't actually force us to examine the problem or consider any solutions, because it becomes a "who is a bigger hypocrite" game that doesn't actually move the progress line further.

So rather than the above argument, I would assert that there is a lack of responsibility and failure of ethics wrapped up in identity politics.

For starters, the argument of pro lifers adoption rates has no bearing on the ethics of ending a baby's life. Even if they didn't adopt a soul, this would not change that a baby was murdered at the behest of his mother. There are no objective ethics (both atheistic and religious) that supports killing a baby.

Second, this argument of pro-lifers not being willing to adopt is irrelevant, because they did not have a say in the matter and therefore have no responsibility in the matter. The pro-lifer did not force anyone to have sex, so why would we then expect them all to adopt these children? Rather we should have a healthy attitude about the situation, which is that when a pro-lifer adopts a child from an irresponsible person, we should celebrate them giving the child a better home.

With that being said, my wife and I have been on a waiting list for two years to get a child. Would happily stop a child's brain being vacuumed out and limbs chopped off and take them home instead, but, alas, we still waiting. Hell, I think a bipartisan solution would be to make adoptions have a more streamlined approach.

I'm sorry but you seem to have misunderstood my comment. I was arguing for adoption and against abortion. (I'm adopted and hope to adopt) you don't see many pro-choice activists banging on orphanage doors. But there is a waiting list of people wanting to adopt these children that pro choicers are saying we should have the right to kill. I agree with everything you said. I'm pro life, meaning pro baby, pro mom, pro child before and after birth. :)

Oh, man, that is awesome! Well, sorry for the misunderstanding and I really hope I didn't come across as personally attacking you, cause again, I really think more can be done by focusing on arguments.

And absolutely, I totally agree. I sincerely wish adoption was more streamlined and more popular in general. So many kids without a home. I have wanted to adopt since reading "They Cage the Animals at Night" in middle school. When considering marriage to my wife, that was a deal breaker I talked to her about. If she wasn't down to adopt, I wasn't moving forward. Well, luckily she was willing to adopt and put up with me at the same time, hahaha!

My wife and I even spent a couple thousands of dollars going to China to try our luck there and so far no dice. Hopefully that will change soon for us and we can celebrate an addition to the family!

And I read your above story! I just love it! Good on your mother, and I also am super glad she didn't just shout "my body, my choice!"

Aww, thanks! I really hope you're able to adopt soon. You're blessed to find a wife willing to accept someone else's child as your own. Heaven knows children need more parents like you. I'm adopted from Honduras but had a good friend growing up adopted from China. It's not an easy path for adoptee or adoptors but its well worth every penny spent and tear shed. Maybe you'd like to join the Adoption stream.a great place to ask questions and just talk to others about their adoption journey. :)

I like your memes, following you now. It's nice to find others who share common ground here on the flip. Here's the stream I was telling you about. imgflip.com/m/Adoption

Thanks for the follow and I didn't even know this stream existed! Wonderful! I am looking at it now!!! :)

And I am totally following you as well. I just realized one of your latest submissions I showed my wife was from you with the baby praying! Well done and super adorable!