January 23 2019

I'm on the fence when it comes to abortion, but I really don't like that the fact that they did that. Way to far along! At that point, you should just set them up for adoption and then they can be taken care of by people who love them.

The new law is ONLY for non-viable pregnancy or when the moms life is at risk. The meme owner is not being truthful. These are babies that will die and only live long enough to cause the parents more pain and anguish. Or, leave a family with multiple children, motherless. It's law in a positive direction.

Well that sounds like a good thing.

The abortion can be provided by someone other than a physician, who, as a professional abortionist has a financial stake in this procedure. That person can also determine any negative affects on the mother such as emotional well being. It's just window dressing up and justifying the ongoing holocaust.

That's saying a mother should sacrifice her child/children to save herself; disgusting and cowardly.

A good mother should be willing to risk or even give her life for the well-being of her baby/babies.

I'm pro-life and disapprove of abortion except maybe in the case of rape. Outlawing abortions except maybe for rape means government at all levels won't be hemorrhaging as much money from their budgets and the lack of resources might mean people will - gasp! - have to take responsibility for their actions and watch what/who they do, as they already should.

Children conceived by rape (let's throw incest in there as well for the sake of argument) make up less than 5% of abortion cases, and that doesn't even address the idea of women making false rape accusations so they can get abortions if abortion for any reason besides rape becomes illegal.

With 75% of the women who choose abortion being poor, how is that going to save us money? I've estimated that it would cost about 5 trillion additional a year if abortion were outlawed and we have to cover all those poor children, feed them, clothes, education and moms not working.

I see absolutely no connection between outlawing abortion and people taking responsibility for anything. One will never lead to the other.

I'm serious, outlawing abortion is an unfunded mandate.

What are you basing that estimate on? The birth rates in Western society are going down due to empowering women, rising living costs meaning that people usually seek more money before starting a family and feminism driving a wedge between men and women by eroding trust between the genders - so outlawing abortion isn't going to make the population skyrocket.

It'll save money because they won't be getting government subsidies for their abortions. If people have access to more contraceptives or abstain, then there won't be as many children born. I talked about taking responsibility I meant without the option of abortion maybe men and women will choose to be more careful about having sex and the possibility of pregnancy - as they already should be.

OMG.

No, we won't pay for abortions anymore. $350-$900.00.

But guess what? 75% of the women who GET abortions, are in poverty.
1. So..... guess who will pay for pre-natal care
2. Guess who will pay the delivery costs
3. Guess who will pay for formula, diapers, clothing
4. Guess who will pay for housing
5. Guess who will pay for education
6. Guess who will pay for the life long incarceration of an unloved, unwanted child a mother would rather have aborted, once they grow up go out and commit crime.

Yes, birth rates are down.
So are abortions! We're at the lowest level of abortion since they were made legal.

There is no issue between men and women. My wife makes more than I do, I have NO problem with that!

You are living in fantasy land if you think outlawing abortion will make people abstain. What are you, 5yrs old?

People will ALWAYS screw. ALWAYS!!!
People will always be irresponsible. ALWAYS!

By the way, about your wife making more than you do, I hope your marriage works out and stays strong. I really do.

You sound extremely sexist. What difference does it make if my wife makes more money than I do? Please cite your sources to support an argument that this will cause problems in my marriage.

While my pay is not as high, my job provides for the astronomical healthcare insurance costs for our family.

For some reason I cannot respond to your post below. I have to say, your links tie in with a belief that I've had for a long time. Higher divorce rates we see today are linked to women not having to put up with asshole guys any longer.

Many of the problems we have today are byproducts of progress. This is one.

I never said your job didn't contribute, my focus was on your wife making more than you. I brought that up for two reasons.

First, divorce is more likely when the woman out-earns the man. https://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/marriage/are-higher-salaries-for-women-leading-to-more-divorces
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/can-american-men-ever-be-happy-if-their-wives-earn-more-than-they-do-2019-04-29
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/11279824/Female-breadwinners-why-earning-more-can-poison-a-marriage.html

Second, women have a trait in their nature called hypergamy. Just like we men have higher libidos, women have the instinct to date up. They all have it though they thankfully don't act on it; an example of this is the concept of the "gold digger" (not saying your wife is one, I'm explaining the concept), which is more common in women than men. I brought it up to make you aware so any potential issues can be resolved and your marriage strengthened. For more information on hypergamy;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7LN14IpVy0
https://www.whimn.com.au/love/relationships/im-a-hypergamist-heres-what-that-means/news-story/eac1de8738c8632c19c77aa01fafe0e5

If you disprove of abortion there is a really simple solution for you. Don't have one.

Just don't force the rest of society to pay the astronomical costs associated with raising children in welfare in unloved homes when the mothers would have rather made a more responsible decision and had an abortion.

The mothers should have made the more responsible decision to use contraceptives or abstain in those cases. You keep citing these statistics, please provide your sources; you're making the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Where do you get the statistic that 75% of women who get abortions are in poverty? To give a citation for a statistic I previously stated, in the US only 1% of abortions are due to **pe; https://healthresearchfunding.org/18-shocking-abortion-statistics-rape-victims/

While people will make irresponsible choices, that can be reduced. I don't think that outlawing abortion will make everyone abstain, I think it will make SOME people have second thoughts and plan accordingly (either by using protection, getting tubes tied/vasectomies or abstaining).

I'm a man, of course I'm not going to have one and I will not support one. You make a lot of assumptions; you assume that all children not aborted will be raised in welfare or unloved homes. Also, please explain why you seem to think killing these people is better than raising them in a welfare home or orphanage. There's a chance they'll get adopted or taking in by people who love them and can afford the costs of looking after a child; better odds than the 100% guarantee of death by abortion. Your argument sounds like "kill them because it's financially convenient" and that's disgusting.

You keep citing your belief that ending abortion will make people more responsible and make people plan. Please cite your sources.

Also, you may like to take a look at the statistical number of poor women who give their babies up for adoption. It's something like 5%. The rest you and I will be paying for.

I mention the cost because the cost of abortion is the primary driver on the right to end abortion. Everyone is so up in arms to have to pay for irresponsible behavior. You mention the cost in your own post above.
"means government at all levels won't be hemorrhaging as much money from their budgets"

The cost for an abortion is $350-900. Somehow you think ending that expense will save us money as we then have to raise a child through to adulthood.

If you don't know the number of women in poverty who choose an abortion, how can you even have an opinion on the subject? You really need to come to the table with some basic facts before making a decision. I did not cite because this should be common information for anyone who has an opinion on the subject.

https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2014

Another point on the right is having to pay for birth control. They don't like to have to pay for others to have sex. Well guess what. If you don't pay for birth control and you don't pay for abortion and force birth, YOU WILL BE PAYING FOR CHILDREN INTO ADULTHOOD. People will never stop having sex.

Yes, it is much better to pay for contraceptives but guess who has done everything under the sun to kill insurance coverage for contraceptives as a baseline for women.

Yes, women should give them up for adoption but they don't. People should do lots of things that they don't. There are many people who will never behave the way we would like them to.

Also, contraceptives don't always work. Condoms are only something like 87% effective.

I'm not saying lots of women give unwanted babies up for adoption, I'm saying they should do that instead of abortion or better yet make better choices like contraceptives or abstinence - since abortion due to rape is 1% of abortions. I'd rather pay for birth control than abortion. https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/life-issues/dignity-of-human-life/abortion-statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_from_rape#Rate

I only mentioned the cost because you did first, and I figured that'd be the best approach for talking to you on the subject. My main reason for opposing abortion is that abortion is the killing of people - state sanctioned murder - as being unborn does not disqualify personhood. There are more cons for abortion than pros, as seen here; https://opinionfront.com/pros-cons-of-abortion

Wow, they look so happy.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-york-abortions-birth/

Why would you post Snopes to me?

No, he's trying to break Gods record. God decided to take the non-viables anyway.

Nah, God put the warning on the death product, and humans decided to take it anyway; we brought that on ourselves.

Yeah. Up to nine months is unquestionably f**ked up.

Look, a mother with no known pre-existing conditions can wait months before having an ultra-sound. Sometimes ultra-sounds don't show defects. A woman without additional risks can go 8 or more months before a problem is found. There is no reason to put people through birthing for a child that will either die at birth or be grotesquely deformed and die in the mothers arms seconds after birth.

This law is a good example of the right wanting to take the extreme position that people should not have the right in even the most horrible cases of people who actually want a child, want a family. It's disgusting people have to even create laws like this to stop extreme ideology on the right.

Disgusting.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/new-york-abortions-birth/

It isn't murder when the baby is non-viable numb nuts.

The same people who want a border wall because people are flooding into their country are likely the same people who are against abortion. Would it not suite your narrative to do anything possible to prevent the spread of.... humans?

That’s got to be the dumbest analogy I e ever heard.

We're not trying to stop the "spread of humans."

You should be.

Fine, we'll start with you.

Don't worry, I don't have kids. Also, I think you're completely missing my point, and simply assuming my stance is that of what you would call a "libtard". Bye.

It's a shot across the bow to let them know what will happen if they overturn Roe V Wade. That is all

I don't see how this doesn't force the issue back to the Supreme Court.

The only thing that would happen if roe vs wade were overturned is abortions would be regulated at the state level instead of at the federal government level.

Don't worry, you'll still be able to have your child killed if you really wanted.