Proof positive that a Democrat can tell the truth

And he wants to make grocery stores government run during Schumer's government shutdown.

Enjoy the fallout. Having lived in Canada for the vast majority of my life, I sure will be.

These things are pretty easy to find. Literally at the touch of your fingers and it's all the information you want.

Portland Oregon is not in New York City. New York isn't that big. You know where Nova Scotia is? You know where Vancouver is? Same thing, only a few miles south.

Mamdani is not mayor already today.

He has no plans to take over grocery stores. And that includes right at this moment.

You're right. In under 5 minutes of searching I found this. It was easy to find how wrong you are!

This is from that same article, lest anyone think the end goal isn't for government run grocery stores in NY to run privately owned grocery stores out of business:

'“We will redirect city funds from corporate supermarkets to city-owned grocery stores, whose mission is lower prices, not price gouging,” he added.'

Quote - "This is from that same article, lest anyone think the end goal isn't for government run grocery stores in NY to run privately owned grocery stores out of business."

Or the voters and by extension Mandani are complete dumbasses thinking this will actually work. How the hell are they going to get food to the shelves let alone manufacture food the second legit businesses are expected to provide a produce/service at either at a massive net lose or for free? Grocery stores are not charities they are businesses of convenience. Any act of charity by a grocery store was done after closing with the thought of 'better to put it to good use instead of wasting it by throwing it away'. And I've my thoughts very clear about government stopping grocery stores from doing that. . .and now government wants to be the one to dole out food.

I'm growing real tired of you deliberately misinterpreting everything I say.

Because tax revenue exists and NYC doesn't need a multi-billion dollar police force but even then, he's not using that money. He is planning to reroute the tax breaks that other grocery stores get while NOT helping keep prices down to grocery stores that DO keep prices down...almost like our tax dollars will be going directly toward helping us...in a crazy fit of being reasonable.

Also if you subsidize the farmers at 100% in exchange for 60% of their crop then they get free tools with the tax money and free seeds etc, but they can still have motivation because they can still profit off of the 40% that doesn't go to feeding everyone. They can sell that upscaled produce or stock to more niche stores so that you can still have your fancy burgers. It just means that the takeout restaurants and such will get more expensive - and they should. It should be cheaper for you to buy fresh food and make it than it is to pay someone else to make it for you because their added labor and the fresh sourced or higher quality ingredients are supposed to be WHAT you're paying for - not the corners they cut to get a burger down to $.99 that is ultimately killing you anyway.

Imagine, a world where fresh homemade healthier food is cheaper and the fast food slop and other trash is more expensive...almost like that's how it SHOULD be.

You- Also if you subsidize the farmers at 100% in exchange for 60% of their crop then they get free tools with the tax money and free seeds etc, but they can still have motivation because they can still profit off of the 40% that doesn't go to feeding everyone.
Me - Does that include 'farms' like say Green Giant or whoever owns them this week. . .'cause guess what. Let's not confuse 'farm' with 'business' shall we. . .or were the majority of those subsidiaries go to.

You - They can sell that upscaled produce or stock to more niche stores so that you can still have your fancy burgers. It just means that the takeout restaurants and such will get more expensive - and they should.
Me - You do know the biggest customers for restaurants are middle/working class, right? Oh, sure 'rich people restaurants' get clout and better advertising therefore they are more well known but it doesn't change the fact who the core customers are for the vast majority of restaurants.

You - Imagine, a world where fresh homemade healthier food is cheaper and the fast food slop and other trash is more expensive...almost like that's how it SHOULD be.
Me - You mean like in the 1950s-1960s when people were able to buy three or four shopping carts worth of food for about $20-$50. Today a twenty will buy four maybe five items at a grocery store. And lets not forget about all the promotional stuff grocery stores used to do like a free set of silver(literally)ware. My mom once got a real nice set of plates with gold edging just for buying $20 worth of food that lasted her a month. Remember that the true value in currency is not the number amount but the purchasing power it has.

wait what?

yes dude - the idea IS that people shouldn't be making a profit off of a resource that others need to live. You've accidentally stumbled upon the point and you didn't even realize it.

Oh, isn't that progressive and forward thinking?

I'm sure those city grocery employees will also gladly give up their human right to groceries the next time a Schumer shutdown roles around and the hungry hungry citizens of nyc come a lootin'.

What noble martyrs that mamdani plans to make of his employees! Truly inspirational.

No dude - it's LITERALLY the opposite. Not operating at a profit doesn't mean they don't get paid. Were you thinking people who work for an NPO just have to be rich? NPO employees get paid dude...

Please read more before talking. You're showing of your "intelligence" too much here.

During the current government shutdown are government workers being paid? If yes, why are the Democrats openly admitting to using government workers' pain and ebt/snap recipients pain as leverage against the Republicans?

If no, why would government grocers be paid during a government shutdown if other government workers aren't?

Please read more before talking. You're showing of your "intelligence" too much here.

"We aren't talking about the shutdown."

Yes, we are.

"Finish the conversation about the grocery stores first - then we move on to why you're wrong about the shutdown, but not before."

I am literally discussing the (idealistically) unintended consequences of government run grocery stores.

"I gave you the specific reason why your argument about the grocery store workers was invalid. Do you have nothing to say back to this?"

I continue to do so but for some reason you continue to falsely claim I am not.

"If not, I accept your concession, and we can start that completely different topic you want to talk about next."

You say that as though not debating a disingenuous communist would be a burden.

You're either incredibly dumb, delusional, disingenuous, or all of them at once.

The grocery stores mamdani wants to be government run will not be offering free food.

The government employees running those grocery stores will not be paid during government shutdowns.

"Sounds like someone doesn't know what essential functions are and what reserve funding is meant to do...and it's not just Trump that doesn't understand it."

Then please do explain this, your intelligensiacy.

"Maybe ask the Republicans why, when they are the only ones holding a way out of the problem that doesn't involve people dying, are they more concerned about the debt than death."

Wrong.

"But amid the punishing effects of the shutdown on federal workers — some 730,000 are working without pay, and another 670,000 are furloughed entirely — Senate Democrats have blocked legislation that would pay the civil servants who have been working without pay, a move that would provide relief to the union’s members but would weaken the bargaining position of Democratic lawmakers. The Republicans, in turn, blocked a pair of Democratic bills that would have paid both those federal workers who are still working and those who have been furloughed."

"You seem to have a lot of questions for the party that only has the choice between some death and more death. Maybe you should ask more questions of the group that has the "the budget isn't balanced but it's better than death" option in their pocket - the republicans. Maybe talk to them first."

Ok. I'll start with you.

So, how exactly will government employees in NYC eat if government employees in NYC succeed at running private grocers out of business once another protracted government shutdown inevitably erupts?

'“Shutdowns have become a recurring tactic in Washington,” Mr. Kelley said. “But there is no ‘winning’ a government shutdown.” Congressional wrangling over the budget, he added, should be conducted “without punishing the people who keep our nation running.”'

Or are they deserving of starvation so you can have "free groceries"?

Let me slow this down for you:

Mamdani. Is. Not. Proposing. Free. Groceries.

Your entire argument is based on a delusional false premise and should be discarded as the ravings of a mad man as such.

As all Marxist arguments should be.

"I am not suggesting Mamdani proposed that. I am intentionally taking the idea to the furthest degree because justifying that furthest degree then means the justifications for arguments that are less extreme are more easily understood - since you seem to be struggling. Now back to the point."

So this was projection then.

"We aren't talking about the shutdown. Finish the conversation about the grocery stores first - then we move on to why you're wrong about the shutdown, but not before."

And you're going to win an argument by derailing it with false claims... How?

Let me slow this down for you:

If. everyone. has. access. to. free. groceries. then. nobody. goes. without. food.

This INCLUDES the people at the grocery store. Now, if we use tax cuts from the budget from the city of NYC to furnish this - the FEDERAL shut down doesn't impact the STATE employees getting paid at all because (shocker) it's a FEDERAL shutdown and not a state one. Imagine - almost like states have sovereignty.

Well, here is two special "nexts" for anyone to consider:

1) Mussolini, and The Axis Fascism with the Mufti in Palestine on this side of the Fascists.
Gramsci wrote about fascism too.
What happened to both gents? Gramsci and Trotsky ?

Fun fact is that the while the west is sold on the merits of George Orwell's
Animal Farm & 1984,
they are never told he was a Marxist-Leninist Red Commie Trotskyite.
They soften it to say he was a "democratic socialist" at heart.

2) Trotsky was a Pig, just like all Marxist-Leninists.

I think Orwell called his favorite pig, Napoleon. Based upon Stalin.
What did Marxist-Leninist Stalin do with Marxist-Leninist Trotsky ?

Well, first he had a British kook-a-meyer spy named David Crook spy on the Trotskyites in Spain,
of which Orwell was a member of the group.
At the same time Crook introduced Spaniard Ramon Mercader to Orwell, to infiltrate the Trotskyites and gain trust.

Later, Stalin ordered Ramon Mercader to murder Trotsky in Mexico City.
Mercader served a little time in prison, then lived in Cuba and is buried a hero with an
Order of Lenin medal in Moscow.

David Crook and his bride ended up in Chengdu, China with their Maoist little Red Friends.

Mic Drop

All Marxist Leninist socialists, be it democratic socialists or whatever globalist utopian be it;
are ALL like "poop in the ice cream" of humanity.

Once it's in there, even a small amount, one has to throw it all out for it will always be tainted, and ruined.