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There can never be doing socialism the right way because there is no right way. in politics
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I agree with what you are saying but socialism is older than Marx. The French Revolution was a socialist revolution. That is why it was a blood bath. It goes back further than the French Revolution. I actually don't know when it was first tried. I am not sure but I don't think anyone has written down a definition of socialism until Marx came along because Marx is the major influence in all socialist, communists movements and was a major inspiration of Hitler.

Fascism is based on socialism but I just found out recently what Giovanni Gentile was trying to accomplish when he created fascism that Benito Mussolini adopted. He allowed people to own their own property, he allowed businesses to remain private enterprises. But the difference between classical liberals (who today are modern conservatives) is he believed in the supremacy of the government over the people. He referred to the government as being "benevolent" but as we can clearly see that when you give all political power to the government they quickly turn corrupt. In Hitler's case he started off corrupt and just got worse as he accumulated more power. He was kind to some people but extremely cruel to nearly everyone else.

The end result of fascism, despite it allowing private ownership, is exactly the same as all other socialist regimes where private ownership and private property rights are not allowed.

Also fascism from the start relies on a large centralized government just like what Democrats want.

Democrats are far closer to true fascism than anyone on the right. The right are the true Anfifa but unlike the actual Antifa we also don't want communism. We don't want any kind of Statism, collectivism or any other kind of authoritarianism because all political power resides in the hands of the individual and none of it in the state. We The People tell the state what it can and cannot do. And we just want the Constitutional Republic that our founding fathers gave us and we want freedom for all.
Democratic Socialism is the same old Socialism, but now with added sprinkles! in politics
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I think Trump is more Christian now than he has ever been. I think in his earlier years he might have said he was a Christian but never acted like a Christian.

Every report I hear of people who have actually talked to Trump describe a man who more resembles a Christian than a lot of people. The left will never ever believe that because their hatred won't let them. I have never met Trump and I doubt that I ever will but from the comments of people who met him and got to talk to him and dropped their biases like Bill Maher did, they will find a very personable and generous man. He is a kind and giving man who has more intelligence than any of the reporters who keep badgering him with accusation rather than actual questions. So all I have to go on is what I hear from people who have met, talked and spent some time with him. And I will go by what they say long before I will listen to the bile that comes out of the left.

As far as Lenin, he acted exactly like a Democratic Socialist. He did the same things that Bernie Sanders would have done. What anyone in the DSA would have done. The difference is the reaction to the results of their actions. I think Sanders would recoil in guilt and shame. I don't know anyone in the DSA so I could not tell you what any of them would do but I imagine that there enough true believers that they would have acted exact as Lenin did. Lenin didn't recoil from the death and starvation, he doubled down on it.
Democratic Socialism is the same old Socialism, but now with added sprinkles! in politics
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Fascism, communism and Nazism are ALL based on socialism They have their differences but the end results are all the same.

Fascism and Nazism allows private property ownership but the state controls the property. Socialism typically does not allow private property ownership or rights. Communism does not allow any private ownership or rights.

They all control the means of production. They all make promises they can never keep. They all destroy wealth and prosperity. They all destroy innovation. They all make people miserable, impoverished. The individual purpose is to provide for the state. If the individual is deemed unable to provide for the state then they are eliminated.

Extremely gullible people fall for their rhetoric of ending inequality and providing for the poor. They point to what happens to capitalism when it is corrupted hoping you never look at the corruption that all 4 of those systems are founded on.

They have convinced so many people that capitalism is corrupt that when you explain what the free market is they don't believe you. They cannot understand that corruption is a problem that has been with mankind since beginning. It is the results of the corruption that you need to look at. Corruption in an authoritarian collectivist state, such as socialism and the rest, is far more detrimental to mankind than anything capitalism could ever create.

Statism (authoritarian collectivists) is corrupt to start with. Free market (which is what Marx called capitalism) does not start off corrupt. It never has to be corrupted. And even in corruption it still produces far better living conditions and prosperity for all.

It is not even close. Statism destroys and the free market builds. No one is ever equal when people are free because no two people are identical to each other. Statists does not see individuality, they see workers all working in unison to build a better life for the ruling class and only the ruling class for as long as that lasts which isn't long unless help from outside steps in. China would have collapsed but they have made huge profits for state through slave labor and free trade with the rest of the world. In other words capitalism saved China from collapse.

Sorry about the long post. I am just being Captain Obvious again. Everyone on the right already knows all of this. It is the people on the left who just cannot think their way out of a paper bag. Even their "intellectuals" can't figure it out.
Democratic Socialism is the same old Socialism, but now with added sprinkles! in politics
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Vladimir Lenin called himself a Democratic Socialist.
NAZI = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. In English: National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party in politics
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I agree. It would probably be a good idea to not tell a reporter in the first place. Reporters and news agencies are not very trustworthy.

However, when it protects a Democrat it would take a crowbar to pry that information out of them. If it was a Republican it would be front page news as soon as possible. It wouldn't matter how much you begged and pleaded with them to not report that. That is the world we live in.