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regularfeller
13 ups, 2y
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Butterflytattoo
9 ups, 2y
Mental on mental
ToneDef
8 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Scheming Gavin Newsom | THAT'S WHY IN CALIFORNIA, CHILD MOLESTATION IS NO LONGER A STATUTORY CRIME IT'S UP TO THE JUDGE'S DISCRETION | image tagged in scheming gavin newsom | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
ToneDef
2 ups, 2y
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Yes, back in 2020, Gov. Newsome signed this bill into California state law. Here's an explanation:

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-governor-signs-bill-changing-sex-offender-law/33998732
[deleted]
2 ups, 2y
[deleted]
6 ups, 2y
They only do it if they want to. And if it was child abuse, then my parents would be abusers. Child abuse is not something to joke about.
[deleted]
1 up, 9mo
so true
BrianRayl
1 up, 2y
They Spanked me on Faceplant for this.
FrankfurtsCool
3 ups, 2y,
2 replies
Republican creeps inspecting the genitals of children is abuse.
TheElementalist
5 ups, 2y,
1 reply
And Democrat creeps doing so isn't?
FrankfurtsCool
2 ups, 2y,
1 reply
They're not the ones trying to sign it into law.

https://thedeepdive.ca/kansas-lawmakers-override-governors-veto-on-bill-to-check-genitals-of-kids-playing-sports/
regularfeller
4 ups, 2y,
2 replies
i don't think it's republican creeps inspecting genitals, i believe it is doctors doing that to appropriately fill in the sex\gender box on birth certificates. wouldn't it be weird if one's GENitals determined one's GENder?
FrankfurtsCool
2 ups, 2y
Nope, Kansas Republicans just signed it into law.

https://thedeepdive.ca/kansas-lawmakers-override-governors-veto-on-bill-to-check-genitals-of-kids-playing-sports/
regularfeller
4 ups, 2y
i will say that I do believe that genitals determine gender and that a person cannot change gender. They can dress as the opposite gender, mimic the opposite gender, augment their bodies to appear more like the opposite gender, but they are still the gender assigned not AT birth but BY birth.

furthermore, i think people are confusing sexuality with gender.

and yes, in my GENeration, you weren't "trans" you were a cross dresser, you weren't cis or lgbtq, etc., you were gay or straight. I have no interest in what you want to do with your genitals or how you "identify" anymore than you should have any interest in my desire to refrain from participation.

just live and be satisfied. why would my opinions have any effect on you "living your truth"?

By "you" I mean any reader the to which my statements pertain.
[deleted]
0 ups, 2y
Religon And Politics often make some people lose all perspective and give way to ranting and raving and carrying on like emotional children. They either refuse to discuss it with reason, or else they prefer argumentum ad hominum, which is a hell of a way to conduct a discussion. Well, anyhow, not long ago, I was talking about the elections, and how the campaigns were ignoring the issues, and sticking instead to invective and personal crap that had nothing to do with the substantive problems of running a government, which is all true, as you know if you followed the speeches and so-called debates of the candidates. Anyhow, one of the guys I was talking with said not a word in the whole conversation except at the end when he suddenly chuckled and said we were all full of shit, and why didn't we go live in Russia or China if that was the way we all hated the United States Of America. Next thing you know the whole blooming discussion was more like a brawl, And the epithets flew thick and fast, and the noise was incredible. Someone said "son of a bitch", and I think he said "bastard". I couldn't be sure, it was all so confusing. Well, anyhow, I was attempting to get it all back on a rational level. I tried, for example, to talk to the one who had started it all, and I asked him just what did he mean we were all full of shit. Was he making a statement of fact as he knew it, and where was his documentation to back up his claim? I think Socrates would've been proud of the way I refuted his argument. That is, I tried to refute it, but all he could offer by way of rebuttal was more of the same about how we were all full of shit. But he wouldn't say why, he just kept on repeating it, that and the part about Russia and China and communist dupes, and I'll have to confess that I got a bit angry and told him to stuff his ideas up his ass, which you don't have to tell me is hardly a way to convince anyone in an argument. Then he got salty and threatened to give me a punch in the mouth if I didn't shut up, and I really got hot, and the others did too, and we all beat the shit out of mister conservative. And, after all, he had only himself to be blamed. This is still a free country, And anyone telling a fellow like me, "Brother, you're full of shit", better be good and ready to answer politely when asked if he'd care to say why.
Gumshoe
7 ups, 2y
PragerUwU
5 ups, 2y,
3 replies
Denying gender affirming care to those who need it is abuse.
lokiare
7 ups, 2y,
1 reply
What is gender affirming care exactly?
WafflesTheMetalhead
4 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Healthcare that keeps people happy and healthy within their gender identity. Denying someone GAC, could potentially cause depression or worse.
regularfeller
6 ups, 2y,
3 replies
aren't they already depressed and continue to be? don't they have a very high suicide rate even after receiving this "gac" and gaining a large amount of support and acceptance in pursuing their lifestyle choice?
WafflesTheMetalhead
3 ups, 2y,
1 reply
They have a very high suicide rate because they are treated like garbage and denied healthcare. The suicide rate drops off in trans people that are accepted and able to pursue their lifestyle. The point is: Gender affirming care HELPS trans people. Ask someone who has fully transitioned. They will tell you that transitioning helped them a lot.
regularfeller
3 ups, 2y
I have read news articles referencing those whom you refer to as fully transitioned (explanation needed of what that entails) that are killing themselves
regularfeller
4 ups, 2y
To the best of my knowledge the suicide rate remains the same.
regularfeller
4 ups, 2y,
1 reply
I think it may be those "championing the cause". There is no denying there is a large amount of acceptance and support for those desiring to participate in a lifestyle some find odd to say the least. I dont know why a male would desire to undergo medical treatments and body augmentations to assist himself with being able to present as a woman and then constantly point out that he is a "trans" woman. Why not just be a woman?

I thought the issue was they were depressed by being trapped in a body they did not feel right wearing...is it that or the viewpoints of other?

While I agree that some people have strong opinions and voice them vehemently, , the demonizing is going both ways. I think if people felt as though this social issue was not being shoved down their throats you would find that nobody really cares what you want to do with your body or who you do it with, they just choose not to participate.

But I digress...parents are to safeguard their children and allowing, permitting, or being forced by rule of law to do so, is not the right path to take. Children change their minds, forms of expression evolve, self realization takes new forms throughout one's life. What's the harm of having children waiting until an age of maturity to make these decisions?
regularfeller
3 ups, 2y,
1 reply
gays, those with "alternative lifestyles", have enjoyed wide acceptance for the last 30 plus years in america. i am unaware of gay people ever being put to death at a matter of state policy in the usa. as for other countries, you should take that up with their religious and/or political leaders.
regularfeller
3 ups, 2y,
1 reply
huh?
regularfeller
3 ups, 2y
I'm not peddling wide acceptance, i simply stated that homosexuals are widely accepted in america and have been for the last 30 years.

As for the religious and political powers in foreign nations - if YOU want to change them take your fight there. You should, not me. I don't share your passion.

While it makes no difference to me what lifestyle choices you make as it leaves me wholly unaffected, I am not interested in promoting them.
regularfeller
2 ups, 2y,
1 reply
when i was coming up the weird kid everyone picked on didn't kill themselves at 25, they developed strength from the experience and, it seems, grew up to be more successful than those that taunted them. i don't have a hypothesis to expound upon at this time regarding the mechanism that causes children to spiral down instead of rising above adversity for the last 15+ years.

as for the substance abuse and depression causation you addressed, i detect strong emotion in your words. if you speak from your personal experience that is unfortunate. my opinions should not be construed as making light of any serious abuses you suffered.

would you agree that if the child's parents are onboard with the child's desire, that child is not the abused kid living in fear of being thrown out of their homes?

i did digress. my original goal was not to pontificate but to obtain information to better understand those with viewpoints in opposition with mine as it regards children getting medical care to "transition" their gender appearance versus waiting until adulthood.
regularfeller
3 ups, 2y
Why have you responded with hostility and mockery?
regularfeller
5 ups, 2y,
1 reply
forcing parents to provide children with medical procedures and\or medications that will irrevocably change the child physically and psychologically is not best practice. an 8 year old, 12 - you pick the age - can't make the decision to get a tattoo buy they can make the decision to have their genitals removed?

better question - who is to blame for the irreparable alterations caused by surgery/medications if the child changes their mind in the future?
regularfeller
4 ups, 2y
i don't have to be an alcoholic to know that children should be denied the ability to decide whether or not to drink. I dont believe I attacked anyone. I'm pretty sure I have heard statistics that there is a large amount of suicide after. Your suggestion to better understand a debatable topic, while welcome is unnecessary. It should be plain to see that is what I am doing. Being said, you did not answer the question of who is to blame if the child changes their minds later in life.
regularfeller
4 ups, 2y
please articulate how it is abusive to children
Toejoe
7 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Tennessee an excellent example of how a misguided MAGA gun circus is doubling down on the will of citizens outrage in Tennessee. MAGA politicians don't care about children safety.
Graeystone
14 ups, 2y,
3 replies
But if it's a trans killing children then it's alright. . .
dicewarrior
3 ups, 2y
we never said that. school shootings are bad no matter who does it
Bluessol
4 ups, 2y,
2 replies
Proof
Bluessol
4 ups, 2y,
2 replies
Ok they’re men. Where’s the proof for how many were cisgendered?
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y,
2 replies
Aren't you the same people always talking about what a tiny tiny tiny percentage of the population transgender people are?
Bluessol
2 ups, 2y
Sure they are but that doesn’t prove his opinion stated as fact. I could say they are all democrats without proof is not fact.
[deleted]
1 up, 2y,
2 replies
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y,
1 reply
So where's your evidence that trans people commit a disproportionally higher amount of violence or masa shootings?
[deleted]
2 ups, 2y,
2 replies
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y
1 out of 647 is not 1%
Modda
0 ups, 2y
"If 14% of the population is committing 60% of the violent crime, that means they are committing 4x the number they should be."

Except that's tied to poverty levels, as well as other factors ranging to the wonders of sustained and more exteme maginalization to greater likelihood of being targeted for arrest and more likely to be convicted, receive longer sentences, etc.

Do you know which ethno/demographic group has the highest per capita rate of committing violent crime but you don't hear about it much because at 2% they're way less than that 13% and many are sequestered to their own 'nations' which have jurisdiction over many local legal matters and crimes (2.5% times higher than US average to as much a 20 times in some nations) and tend to thus be underreported to outside agencies?

Not sure what the violent crime rate is with trans, but they are 4 times more likely to be victims of it than average and 32 of them were murdered in 2022.

So, yeah, in a sea of mass shooters you got 1 to point at and not excuse because 2A.
So that's really a game changer with the issue, innit?
Bluessol
4 ups, 2y,
2 replies
Wrong, a simple google search will show other trans multiple people killers.
[deleted]
5 ups, 2y
People kill people all the time.
Bluessol
5 ups, 2y,
1 reply
What’s an assault weapon?
[deleted]
5 ups, 2y
My fists?
Octavia_Melody
1 up, 2y,
1 reply
The evidence does point to the Tennessee shooter being transgender. There was also a shooter I think in Colorado a couple years ago, who was transgender. So they do exist, even though they're an extremely tiny percentage of shooters.
WafflesTheMetalhead
2 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Yes. My point is that : The problem is not that the shooter was trans. The problem is gun violence in the first place
Modda
1 up, 2y
Exactly.
Being identified as "trans" is just descriptive, it isn't the cause or indicative of some larger trend.
If anything, it highlights a rarity, a member of a described demographic that's the exception, a minority in what is the usual profile of mass killers.
Kevdogg91
2 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Also andrew blaze, but he not only believed he was female but also a ghost.. and a cartoon. The documentary was pretty funny because they were like oviously he was a female because he said so, but the cartoon ghost thing is just crazy
Kevdogg91
2 ups, 2y
pretty ironic right?
Bluessol
5 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Where’s the gender breakdown?
Bluessol
6 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Oh you mean there are only two genders and the majority of shooters are men. I concede that.
WafflesTheMetalhead
3 ups, 2y,
1 reply
I mean the majority are cisgender males which you just agreed to. Where did I say there were two genders? Sex and gender are different concepts.
Bluessol
5 ups, 2y
I agreed they are males. I’m asking for your data proving what gender pronouns they used.
Bluessol
5 ups, 2y,
1 reply
MAGA is English so that’s expected
Bluessol
5 ups, 2y,
1 reply
One election doesn’t prove any impact wave. The Blue Wave won’t be enough to save Biden after people seeing 4 years of disaster after disaster. He won’t be able to infer he will be a unifier because he has proven he is not. Replay 2020 election in 2024 and Biden loses and they know it despite the bluster.
Bluessol
4 ups, 2y
“Do you believe going after women's right's and scapegoating different groups is a winning strategy ?”

You mean like a woman’s right to not compete against men pretending to be women? Scapegoating different groups like white people?

“That's the problem when you are caught in a fascist echo chamber, you believe your own disinformation & BS”

I’m not in Pee 2. That’s the only fascist echo chamber I know of.

“Independent voters & Rino Republicans, are either voting D, or washing their hand of MAGA orange.”

Ha, we will see. Biden can’t hide anymore his failure is plain to see. Everyone who visits a grocery store and gas station knows it was better before Biden.
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