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The new 21st century fascism is called the alt-right. Are you ever not confused about everything you talk about on here?

Alt-right? The alternative to the right is the left, therefore, the alt-right is and always has been the left.

I've known that from the moment I found who the alt-right were. I even tried to warn people on the right that words mean things. Just because the word "right" is in the name does not mean they are conservatives. Not that I have have any influence on anyone but I have watched as the alt-right eventually died. Those who promoted have all but disappeared from society.

Today all the alt-right is is an insult that leftists like to hurl at people, not even knowing anything about who the alt-right were. Another one is neocon.

I'm not any of those. I am a Constitutionalist, therefore, I am pro-America. I realize that a whole lot of bad things have happened in this country but what the founding fathers gave us was the most freeing political document ever written. And while those of African ancestry were mostly not free (there were some freed slaves from the very beginning) their descendants are.

You are literally an insane person. If they thought they were on the left, they wouldn't have organized in Charlottesville, calling the event "Unite the Right". You know your logic is bullshit, you will deny any and all reality to say fascists and Nazis are on the left.

He's just refabricating, which, in case you haven't noticed, is what he does.
It's not ignorance, it's deliberate.

He's had that explained to him many a time since he joined, including from me. He's even tried to pull some nonsense that it was referring to - I kid you not - Alternative Rock, and in that sincerely earnest yet befuddled tone.

Careful there, ImgFlip will give you a time out for a personal attack. Oh wait... you're a leftist. They don't give time outs to leftists.

Here is the point, I don't give a flying crap about the Alt-Right. I never have. They are racists. They do not stand for what I stand for. They have more in common with the left and that is not insanity, that is just a fact. As much as left screams and wails about how awful fascists are, the simple fact of the matter is fascism is Mussolini's version of socialism. Fascism has always been on the left and it used to be praised by the American left until WWII.

I am 180° in the opposite direction of fascists, Nazis, socialists, communists any other type of statism. Freedom cannot be found in any of those authoritarian regimes.

Again you are wrong. Mussolini was expelled by the Socialist Party because his comrades rebuked and rejected him for supporting WWI. You can't get anything right. Even before Hitler's ascension to power, communists were fighting the fascists in the streets. They did not think positively of fascism. Lenin famously said, "fascism is capitalism in decay". In America, you're quoting one liberal scholar who did not speak for the left. Figures like Emma Goldman spoke out against fascism in the U.S.

Calling you insane is unlikely to get my comment removed. Unlike the right on here, I am careful not to be insulting when I call someone out for being absurd. We understand the rules, that's why we are less likely to be removed.

You're completely opposite from them, huh? Refresh my memory, don't you support Donald Trump, cry about the "anti-white" left and argue against the existence of systemic racism, say the great replacement is true and actually happening, condemn anti-fascist groups, countless other white identity arguments and a nationalism for your country of origin? This is precisely what I see from white nationalists. They make the exact same arguments as Trumpers, except they are unapologetically and openly racist.

"Again you are wrong. Mussolini was expelled by the Socialist Party"

What part of "version" are you not understanding. I said fascism is Mussolini's VERSION of socialism. Socialists cannot tolerate the slightest differences. That why the Italian socialists killed Mussolini and why Hitler killed the German socialists.

If you do not march 100% in lock-step with the prevailing variation of socialism, then you are a dead man. It just what happens. It is the reason why if a liberal dares to think for themselves they are called racists, fascists, and/or any of the other standard insults the left uses ad nauseum.

This is the way of those who claim to be the tolerant ones. Those who demand tolerance are the least tolerant. Those who demand compassion are the least compassionate. Those who demand love are the most hateful. The left is the polar opposite of who they claim to be.

So sorry for being intolerant of literal fascists. NOT.

Again, WRONG and WAY OFF as always. I am an anarchist and protest and organize with democratic socialists, Marxists and Trotskyists/Leninists. I am comfortable working with them on most issues, but probably won't vote for their candidates or support a Marxist-Leninist revolution. The biggest division in the communist movement is between anarchists and Marxist-Leninists, otherwise most others believe in a variation of Marxism-Leninism (Stalinism, Maoism, Hoxhaism) and I'm sure those folks are all comfortable uniting under a common communist political party.

Fascism does not belong under the umbrella of socialism because we do not even remotely share the same end goals. Fascists don't believe in equality, democracy or social justice. They support private property. They are corporatists. We are communists. They want privatization, we want nationalization or collectivization. They want class collaboration, we want class abolition. Because many communists also believe in the state does not mean the state shares the same role as it does for the fascists. You are wildly naive.

"Fascism does not belong under the umbrella of socialism because we do not even remotely share the same end goals. Fascists don't believe in equality, democracy or social justice. They support private property. They are corporatists."

Corporatism is the slightly freer side of fascism. The Progressives turned America into a corporatist nation starting a century ago.

Where did you ever get the idea that fascists do not share equality, democracy and social justice. Apparently you have only read the leftist history revisionists that permeate our educational system.

Yes they do support private property but the property owner has not control over their property. The idea is that Mussolini saw a huge flaw in socialism by taking over private businesses and throwing out the business owners and replacing them with socialists. This is what caused the Soviet Union to nearly starve to death after the first year of their existence. The Communists threw all of the farmers off of their land and put eggheads in charge of the farms. Because they were "experts", except they weren't. They had no practical experience in farming. Mussolini saw that as a flaw so instead of getting rid of the business owners he just exercised tight controls over them. The end result was pretty close to the same thing.

Here is the think about private property rights that you communists just will never understand. Private property rights (without fascism) is the foundation of individual liberty. You just cannot be free unless you own your house, your land, your TV, your toaster and your very life. Because if you own nothing then someone else does and you live at the whim of the property owner. That is why there is no freedom under communism, socialism, fascism or Nazism. Without freedom, without your ability to determine how to live your own life, life is not worth living. Freedom is more precious than life. Freedom is the reason why God placed man on earth.

Freedom happens when the government has no power over man with the exception of laws that the people support. Laws like preventing murder, theft, etc. Statism is utterly incapable of providing freedom, regardless of how benevolent those who believe in it are. Statism is founded on an evil premise that is very easily exploited by people like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Chavez, the Kim dynasty, etc.

You just cannot take that much power away from the people and expect anything else but corruption, misery and death.

Are you conflating progressives with communists? Even so, I don’t see how either party is responsible for America’s corporatization. FDR supported labor and helped pass the National Labor Relations Act.

Read anything from Hitler or Mussolini. They both believed in hierarchy, and both resoundingly rejected democracy as a failed system, hence why they established one-party dictatorships and eliminated all kinds of voting. How can someone who wants a white ethnostate, supports destroying gays and transgender people and hates foreigners also support social justice? You aren’t thinking this through.

I find it hard to believe they had zero control over their industries, considering many capitalists eagerly collaborated with Hitler himself.

Private property is the root of all inequality. Is is stolen land, concentrated into the hands of a minority of capitalists who control a majority of national resources and keep us captive and working by only offering bread to us through coerced wage labor. You are still wildly confused. Communists aren’t after your personal belongings, we are after factories, fields and farms. Utility land that produces wealth, because it needs to be produced to fulfill the needs of everyone.

You apparently forget that I’m an anarchist and don’t believe in using the state as a tool for social liberation. You simply deny that capitalist states are authoritarian as well. Also, god isn’t real. Shouldn’t have to tell you that.

You can wedge in material from "How The Specter of Communism is Ruling Our World" into nearly all your posts verbatim, but you can't remember how many times this has been explained to you, this term you've still yet to hear?

It ain't "Alternative to the Right Wing," it's Alt-Right as in Alternative Right Wing to the Old Guard which have gone soft and apathetic. By their reasoning, anyways, particularly in regards to getting slack and in effect allowing progress on equal rights, the birth of the Alt Right having literally occurred the day after Obama was elected not being quite coincidental and movements towards marriage, etc, later equality likewise giving it a boost.

Alt-Right, in a nutshell, is the rebirth and rise of hard core racist and bigoted hateful elements of the Right Wing.

Don't like it?
Imagine how the rest of us feel.

The creator of the alt-right, Richard Spencer, literally started a webzine called “Alternative Right”. It’s not an “alternative to the right”. 🤦🏼‍♂️

See my reply to your other comment, ya know, the one where you literally called me "literally insane".