What they do in communist countries.

I can name a country that one party holds the executive and legislative branch, is threatening to pack the supreme court so that their nominees control that branch, and is threatening to make two new states so that they acquire more house and senate seats and electoral college votes thus cementing their one party rule in perpetuity.

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All these things also happen in countries that aren't communist at all.

Yeah, so? They happen in communist countries 100% of the time. My parents fled communist Poland in 1967. They are still afraid to talk on the phone. This meme gets upvoted for 100% accuracy. If Conservatives cured global warming, you’d complain that you were now too cold.

Dang. My grandpa escaped from Warsaw and became a millionaire. Started with selling art, doing magic, and boxing.

Ok. But all these things also happen in countries that aren't communist at all.

Ok. But all of things also happen in every country that are communists. 100% of the time.

Great. Now read the OP. These things also happen in countries that aren't communist at all.

Or, at least are not openly communist.

Well, that's the real trick, isn't it? Because then we'll need you to tell us what the government REALLY meant secretly where nobody was around to hear it. That way you're never actually wrong, are you?

There is no secret to what gov's are communist. If the govern in a communist way, they are communist.

"Govern in a Communist way" in this context being any policy you don't like?

No. When did I say that?

Where?

Pinochet was not communist. Putin is not communist. Muhammad Omar was not communist.

What you are describing is a series of tools in the belt that ANY government could use to oppress and dictate.

So if you're trying to describe Communism in particular, you need to identifty markers that are specific to Communism and not to any other form of government. Especially if you're trying to tie it to something as mundane as social media moderation.

Stealing elections definitely happen in communist countries.

No, they can't, because they have only one party.

Consider it one of the first stages of communism. For America's sake I hope it doesn't go full blown.

No, because Communism - actual REAL Communism - is decision making by consensus, pure democracy. Offering the citizenry the option of voting only for option A doesn't fall under that.

Everything is rigged in democrats favor. From elections to the media. In all reality the choice is just an illusion. It's all rigged. America is heading in the wrong direction.

Which is why we almost went the route of the election getting tossed out in 2020/21 with Trump asking for additional ballots in his favor be 'found' in Georgia, other states to toss theirs not favoring him out, papers for fake Electors made to throw the EC vote, and ordering Pence to decide in his favor Jan 6th while an insurrectionist coup was in process in the background as backup and requests were made in secret to generals for a military one.
Got it.

- as will probably happen in 2029. The USA will formally be ended that year.

We're on the opposite ends of the spectrum. I respect your dedication but unfortunately it's to the wrong side.

I ain't on any spectrum and on the opposite end of none.
The faux spectrum is just two teams which sound curiously alike, only they're rooting for different players. That's what Horseshoe Theory is.

I prefer truth, it cuts out the middleman and has no sides.

Fake news. Trump said he could stop at X ballots. He never said to find a specific number.

So what I said then?

In fairness, there *are* elections in Communist countries. They're used as a sort of check/pass on party officials; if the people don't turn out to vote for your re-election, the only candidate on the ballot though you may be, the Party takes it as a sign that something might be wrong and that you might need replacing pending an investigation.

Which, historically, through use of the old fixy fix, did create opportunities to cause trouble for officials you didn't like or for keeping your own position safer than it should really be.

When "Choose one from Column A or from Column A" isn't necessarily always exactly an automatic 100%.

Yes, but they didn't use that. They used voter turnout. Which is almost never even close to 100% as we know full well from our own elections.

Well that's what I meant, that even that 100% in favor isn't necessarily 100% of the electorate on account of turnout.

Oh, I see what you're getting at! Yeah

It was a tad convoluted in direction, my bad.

Yeah. AND in countries that aren't at all communist.

As usual, we'll have to agree to disagree.

HOW is this a matter of opinion? Either you have the definition of communism correct, or you don't. How is this an agree to disagree matter?

Yes, but communism didn't exist because every communist, socialist, or fascist state had been totalitarian and used those as excuses to get the people to allow them to rule.
Real communism has only been seen at small communes without leaders.

You still think Biden won which technically makes you insane. So there's no point in debating with you.

OK, but either you have the definition of communism correct, or you don't. How is this an agree to disagree matter?

Replying to your comment below (One-party states have also occurred in countries that are not communist at all.)

Yes, you're absolutely correct. I can name a country where a certain party currently controls the executive branch, the legislative branch, has threatened to pack the Supreme Court with their own nominees, and has threatened to make two more states just to get their party more seats in the house and senate and more electoral college votes. All just to secure their one party rule in perpetuity.

When one party controls the content you read and hear as well as silence the opposition is in fact communism. China has been doing it for awhile and who's China's favorite pet? You voted for him

No. One-party states have also occurred in countries that are not communist at all.

Communism is not a system of government, it is an economic system.

CLEARLY the OP is referring to more than just the theoretical end state. CLEARLY the OP is referring to a colloquial use of the word that takes liberties with its technical meaning. WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

ARGUE WITH THE OP IF THAT BOTHERS YOU.

It's actually both of those things. It's more of an ideology.

Batista, Marcos, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Suharto, the Duvaliers, the Saudis... all lovely folks whose butchery we had to back because at least Communism was on the list of the everything they opposed.

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Never said I supported it.

wha?

Um, maybe you have some free time to dispose of, but you were not the only one posting on this meme, hence why you got no notifs from me for those replies to others that were not you.

No links policy still in effect, including for basement RWNJs tin foil hat vids.

Oh well. If you would have clicked on it you would have realized that it is actually agreeing with you, and helping to expose what the government has done in the cases of a few of the examples you listed. But you know, keep on copying and pasting "tinfoil hats!" on every conservative comment you run across.

Oh, really? Well don't I feel the guiltz now.

Allow me to alter my policy then:
No links policy still in effect, including ▶️clickbait◀️ for basement RWNJs tin foil hat vids.

I do appreciate you actually agreeing with the map of authoritarian regimes the USA supports. Reality must be happy that you vouched for it.

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No, I'm not agreeing with the MAP, I'm just agreeing about certain regimes. The ROC is not one of them.

Putin's not communist? Really?

For God's sake man, he was in the KGB.

And, as we all know, the history of humanity stopped in 1989 and no events at all have taken place since.

The USSR collapsed in 1991, not 1989 - that's when East Germany collapsed. He was stationed there when the Berlin Wall did fall he simply moved back to what was then the Russian SSR. Also, for somebody who's "not communist", he sounds a hell of a lot like Stalin "liberating" other countries. Which is very ironic, considering he (much like Biden does), blames problems he created on those past leaders.

Oh, so you HAVE heard the rather extensive changes to his situation?

That'll make this easier, then: him being in the KGB back when that was a thing doesn't mean he's even been remotely interested in practicing communism in post-Yeltsin Russia.

You're misconstruing my answer. Typical.

The KGB is no longer a thing.You are correct. And I'm not even asserting that he is a communist. What I'm saying is that in the grand scheme of things, he leans much more towards communism (and particularly Stalinism) than other ideologies. If you look at the similarities between him and Stalin, you'll find that there are quite a few of them, such as;

✅ State sponsored media and censorship of non-state-sponsored media
✅ A desire to expand Russian influence
✅ Propaganda machines designed to paint the leader in a heroic fashion
✅ Secret police
✅ Imprisonment of political rivals
✅ Corrupt elections

Now, there are also differences between Putin and stalin, but those do not negate the glaring similarities between them.

The ironic part is, many of these tactics are being used by the left in America today, particularly the censorship aspect. Which is what the original post was about.

I'm not doing this if you can't make up your own mind what your point is in the first place. How am I supposed to understand what you say if you don't?

Yes. I did say that. Good job!

Let me clarify. When we on the right refer to "communism", we are usually referencing the societal, and not the economic aspect of it. Putin is certainly not ECONOMICALLY a communist, but bears a striking similarity to the SOCIETAL aspect of communism. Sure, these aspects are present in other authoritarian regimes, such as the National Socialists in Germany, and the Saudi government, but historically communism has been much more pervasive, and so that's what those properties are associated with.

Also I forgot a comma in the first sentence. My bad

Some of the nastiest shitters to have ever breathed, many we put in power as well, even at the (deliberate) cost of their own Democracies.

Taiwan is on there, but not China?

Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on that one.

The USA has supported Red China's regime?

Thanks for the info!

I mean, we did ship a lot of our manufacturing there...

And the Biden family is, shall we say, "very close" to the Chinese government...

And they got practically no repercussions for the whole COVID debacle...

So yes. Our government does support red China.

No

You also forgot Australia on that map of yours...

Way to make a red herring, my man.

What I did is provided some ways that the United States government supports (or at least is neutral towards) the actions of the PRC. You ignored it, and called me a "conspiracy theorist". A typical attack used by the left.

But they usually do.
The problem is a lot of people have trouble separating the government format, totalitarianism, from the economic format, communism. Theoretically communism can go under a freer government system, but only in theory. Getting everyone to go along with the distribution of goods and labor requires absolute control, because, surprise surprise, not everyone will agree with how they should be distributed. Not even a majority will agree. Whoever is granted this authority will inevitably decide they "need" more because of their "immense responsibility" and how "important" they are to keep the system "functioning."
ALL systems inevitably lead to a disparity in wealth distribution. It is apparently the natural order of things. Capitalism leads to greater overall and average wealth. Because to be successful you must find a way to produce what others want.

Why are you saying this to me and not to the users who ARE ACTUALLY EXHIBITING CONFLATION OF TOTALITARIANISM AND COMMUNISM?

Why are you explaining my own point back to me? What have you achieved by doing that? If you want to look smarter, argue with the people who are saying the dumb thing.