Jan 6 vs Peaceful Protest

Police didn't murder the the people they rioted about. Neither side is justifiable

Self-defense isn't punishment. Burning down innocent people's businesses has nothing to do with police brutality. Trying to burn down government buildings also, has nothing to do with police brutality. Rioting because a thug was killed while trying to kill someone else or an officer is also no reason to burn down your own f**king neighborhood. Being a twat is also an insufficient reason to travel to a city that isn't yours, and burn down black peoples' neighborhoods, which is what most of these "twats" did.

Well said, Pasc.

Well...I tried to keep it simple.

You have too when talking to s_____y l__s.

Men identified as white Supremacists after being arrested. BLM protesters assisted police in stopping them from spearheading more violence in Richmond. Other cities report similar stories.

... But right wing media plays that down a lot. You wouldn't know about that either, huh?

https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/07/27/police-richmond-riots-instigated-by-white-supremacists-disguised-as-black-lives-matter/

You seem rather emotional.

Perhaps you should try looking at things more objectively. No where did I defend riots. Saying riots and the BLM protests is not being intellectually honest. Yes, rooting occurred but not at every single protest. Just like not every single person being put down by cops was black or armed or a thug. Not every single time a police officer kills a civilian is justifiable. That should be protested.

I seem emotional? Do tell how you arrive at that, other than just making asinine assumptions.
You don't protest by burning innocent peoples' property. Don't care who you are. When that happens, it's a riot and I'm all for whatever happens next. BLM tried that bullshit in our town and got owned quickly. As a result, no one had property damage and no one was hurt, except those who decided to fight it out against a well-prepared group of conscientious objectors to having their town destroyed. If all they wanted to do was march, then they had plenty of people ready to march with them, myself included. But, like in any situation, bad actors show up and take over the event. When that happens, if the cops don't stop the carnage, people get hurt or killed, and that is unacceptable.

So you’re saying if a small group of people who may or may not have anything to do with a rally, show up and begin setting fires, then the entire group is accountable?

Self defense is always justifiable

Fortunately, in the United States we have something called a court that determines whether or not that is true in a case by case basis.

Self defense is not always absolute. Otherwise, people who kill a cop for risking the lives of others could make that same claim and I somehow doubt you would find that true.

If someone is threatening to harm you, then lethal force is legal if there are no other options. If someone is reaching for your weapon, you have the right to use it on them so as to prevent them from using it on you. That's law. You're feelings on the matter don't matter.

Being unarmed, big, and black may be threatening to you… but those people have rights.

We also have a second amendment. So being armed and big and black is STILL not a good reason. They have the gun in hand? Sure! But if they kill them after the fact? Never unholstered his weapon? That’s a second amendment violation.

I don't take issue with that, except for the weird obsession with bringing race into everything. I grew up in an all-black community, many of which I still consider friends or family, so not sure why you think I'm afraid of em. I earned the respect of my neighborhood the only way they gave it, through fighting. Didn't have to win, just couldn't run. I've never once mentioned that anyone should be shot if they weren't endangering the lives of others. Reaching for someone's weapon...quick pass to the afterlife, and completely justifiable.

“I've never once mentioned that anyone should be shot if they weren't endangering the lives of others.”

That is exactly what BLM are protesting.

A lot of them don't even know what they're protesting. Destruction of property is protesting. I'm not making it something it isn't. They are.

But you’re collectively judging the whole for the few.

Which would mean something unless you were protesting to those with authority rather than those without.

I'm not against protests, just riots that hurt people and property while breaking the law. And I was with BLM in the beginning...bunch of bullshit and half didn't even know why the f**k they were there and were just wanting to break shit. Spare me the "noble savage" bs. I've been there up front and personal.

Then you should know what they’re protesting and not trying to make it about something it is not.

"those people" yikes.

Yes, you apparently consider “those people” to not have rights. And so when they’re gunned down by law enforcement, despite being unarmed, and having numerous ways of bringing in a suspect alive, they choose to kill them instead.

BLM is just protesting that police officers not kill them just because they are black.

That’s all.

If they’ve got weapons in hand, then that is another matter.

But having a gun or a knife (not in hand) but in their possession, or refusing to leave a parked vehicle that doesn’t even have keys in it, or being large and refusing to lie down on the ground due to any prior medical reasons, is not a good enough to kill a person for self-defense. It is just cold blooded murder and when enough police officers are not charged in those circumstances, people are going to make assumptions and they’re going to get angry.

And it’s completely understandable.

To anyone who understands the law and our rights as civilians in this country. Making any excuses that they shouldn’t is just plain old discrimination.

I was only objecting to your use of “those people” referring to blacks. Not all black people are being gunned down in the streets. Not all black people even hang out in the street to be gunned down. I found your ‘otherizing’ of black and stereo typing them as street crime victims to be stunning.

But I'm not.

I'm arguing no one should be shot for just being suspected of lawbreaking. Including those people.

I'm arguing with people who think otherwise.

No-compliance is stupid if he really fears the cops. And stupid because it escalates the arrest process which increases risk of harm or death to all participants. Death is not a goal or first option but it can happen to stupid people. And it’s easily avoided. The deaths have occurred in non-compliance situations and in aarcks on officers.

It’s hard for Capitol protesters t be non-compliant when the FBI plants urge them to go in & the Capitol police point to the door & tell them to hurry in.

Those people climbing all over the capital looked really non-compliant.

I guess you think those "stupid" people deserve death.

I don't.

You do.

No one is shooting them because they are black. And if they were not committing crimes it would be a non-issue. And if they complied with the law it would be a non-issue.

Non-compliance should not be a guaranteed death penalty.

Get off the racist talk

Why is it too hard for you to stomach? You’re very free to walk away if you can’t handle serious issues.

Your racist comments are unacceptable. I do not have to tolerate it.

Talking about racism isn't racism.

Denying that there is racism when there is... can be racist.

Me claiming that YOU may be racist, isn't racist. I'm not discriminating against you nor am I discriminating against people who shouldn't be shot under the heaviest of caveats that they...

1. Not be armed.

2. There appearance alone is not enough to constitute a "threatening nature"

All you have to do is say...

"No, obviously, being big and black is not enough of a reason to shoot someone. And cops who shoot unarmed people should be held accountable."

But because you cannot even make those simplest of claims - we cannot have an accord.

Maybe you aren't racist! And I hope you don't want to be accused of racism but it's becoming harder to deny that is you think every scenario a cop discharges their weapon is 100% justifiable.

It isn't.

The US has something called due process and you don't kill a person just for refusing to comply.

Otherwise you are making the claim everyone at the January 6th rally should've been shot and imprisoned.

But you're not... so, you do know not every scenario where law enforcement are involved is 100% justified on the cops side.

So why should that be different for some of the victims that Black Lives Matter defends?

Notice, I said some. Not all.

You don't have to prove it if there are no witnesses. You only have to prove that you believed your life was in danger...hard to do, but all that is required. If there are witnesses that see someone doing that, then that is all the words you need to say.

Duke University-pre law...not that it matters. You have a real life example recently involving a dickhead reaching for a guy's weapon and getting shot 4 times. Remember?

Which, as I've already told you, they didn't ignore.

Yes, a small story and done. Yet had the colors been reversed, it would be non stop coverage. You know, like if it were Whites attacking Asian, instead of Blacks. But you, and everyone else knows this.

So just let him shoot you first.

I have no problems letting someone who doesn't have a gun shoot first. That happens to me all the time. I walked passed sixty people who didn't have a gun just this morning.

Or other weapon or even hand to hand combat

That's fine, I can survive a punch to the face and even dish one back before it's over. Fists aren't designed to blow off half your torso on impact, is the main difference.

I’ll let you get the f**k beat out of you then. Just part of your job description,

That's fine, I can survive a punch to the face and even dish one back before it's over. Fists aren't designed to blow off half your torso on impact, is the main difference.

Depends on how they are fighting

Oh? Like Ashli?

The roiting in the streets even when the police shooting of the moment is justifiable by self defense isn't a great look. Also, blm rioters killing more bystanders than the number of "unarmed" black men they rioted for is pretty self defeating.

Wait… so killing innocent people is the way to fix non-innocent people’s wrongs?

Are you saying BLM should be held accountable for every black person’s actions?

The jury would have had the entire left and media going after them if they didn't conclude that

George Floyd was criminal scum.

Same then for that MAGA chick

Uh, no. You can be executed in self-defense. Are you saying police officers don’t have a right to self-defense? Do you think only armed people are threatening? Babbit did have military training so she wasn’t exactly a harmless little girl.

Like it or not, shooting Babbit defused the situation. What you’re really upset about is they didn’t continue executing the rest of the angry mob. There was no reason to do so because they had yet to escalate the situation by climbing over a barricade.

Just as not every scenario of a cop shoring an unarmed civilian should not be considered justified because the civilian had a record or owned a weapon, isn’t comparable to Babbit whose intent was made obvious by her words and actions prior.

True, not every victim that BLM supports deserves it, but to claim police don’t deserve accountability unless they shoot someone who just so happens to have a political alignment closer to yours makes any reasonable person question your objectivity.

If the police shot only people with MY political alignment, there'd be a lot more open space in this country, that's for sure!

Other than that, I am not sure what intent you're assigning to Babbit; the entire crowd didn't do anything more frightening than put their feet on someone's desk.What words and actions are you referring to, and how "prior" were they?

I am not even implying that an unarmed person is no threat and should never be shot, though American military "training" is a joke these days, especially the dumbed-down (more than the rest) stuff they feed women. Rather I am stating, based on the facts I'm aware of, that she was summarily executed by a capitol security "cop" based solely on her race and politics - and I'd bet race played a bigger role than her politics.

Floyd fought the police for 40minutes. He wasn't shot. AT WORST he suffered tracheal damage when a by then exhausted Chauvin shifted his knee and most likely died by self-inflicted overdose. My point in all of this is that there was no "execution in the street" in either case, but that MAGA chick was by far the closest to it.

So if a black person shoots a white personal it’s about race every single time, eh?

Tsk. The only race she was shot for was her sprinting over a makeshift barricade to get to, and potentially harm, our representatives.

Any cop would’ve shot her regardless. Her actions of being in an area that was under lockdown from an angry mob justified the shot. There were plenty of white people who did not got shot. None continued to advance once Babbit fell. It wasn’t because they just weren’t strong or dedicated to your yahoo’s cause.

They just woke up to the reality of their situations and when they saw the direct consequences of their actions.

Babbit was wrong, they were wrong. Making up shit to fit your narrative has consequences. Babbitt’s blood is on Trump’s hands and any person who pushed that false narrative that the election was stolen.

"our representatives"... so they are supposed to be MY representatives, too?

And yes, Trump bears a HUGE amount of blame. He riled people up then left them high and dry. But yes, the election was stolen. There were easily half a dozen red flags that normally, in any other case, signify election fraud (sudden change in voting practice, dramatic f-curve in final vote tally, silencing of dissent...I could go on). That said, I'd rather a senile buffoon who shovels this empire down onto the ash heap than a lying blowhard who betrays his base, even if the handlers had to cheat the buffoon into office.

They’re elected. Maybe you didn’t vote for them, maybe you didn’t vote. But yea, they represent YOU. And me and millions of others so… not just you. You know for clarity.

Trump didn’t leave you high and dry. He has been peddling the same stupid shit that Democrats and reasonable Republicans have been calling him out on. It took a pandemic and a limp dick “revolution” for some of you to figure that out but you still haven’t figured out that the same people who called out Trump way before might be right about other things… like the election wasn’t rigged, the vaccines aren’t dangerous, and covid is a serious issue.

So you’ve only stopped worshiping Trump but you’re still brainwashed by alternative media that wants you to hate anything that inconveniences you and gets in their (not yours) way for more influence and power.

Irregularities in elections during an irregular time are not proof of fraud. It’s been explained dozens of time but you’ve been brainwashed to ignore it because you want to be angry. And they want you to be angry. They want you to hate these very reasonable people so that you can choose these greedy brain dead assholes who will say anything. It’s the same goal, different strategy. Instead of kissing babies and promising you free shit, they just say things are getting worse and they’re the ONLY ones with the answers.

Only they don’t tell you what those answers are or they grossly oversimplify those answers to be more wasteful spending to make it look like they’re getting shit done.

If it wins them an election, they’ll tell you our elections are rigged. If it wins them an election, they’ll tell you you don’t have to get a vaccine, if it wins them an election, they’ll tell you you’re being lied to so that you only listen to them.

And no one else.

Not even God.

Logic isn’t your strong suit. Your entire technique is cheap verbal “gotcha” tactics in a forum not conducive to honest discussion.

Agreed.

Overdoses, however, are not execution.

Facts are not democratic