China Joe will never own us all

That would have been the day the republicans started warning us against big government and the democrats started demanding loyalty to big government. We are in the twilight zone.

i would just like to say that you are 100% correct and the the republicans truly need to drive this country into the success that it once had

The thing where federal agents were picking up people at BLM protests without visible identification, holding them and letting them go without charges so that there was no record of the arrest was crazy, and I couldn't find a conservative who had an issue with it.

Is it a judgement call, are we all hypocrites, or is it a mix?

Personally, I think there are multiple principles in play. I believe in body autonomy and don't like vaccine mandates. But I also don't like the global supply chain in shambles and the continuing cost in life and to the economy. I'd also be a lot more receptive to the push back against vaccines if people were consistent about it and didn't rely on blatantly fake info.

Seriously, just say you aren't going to get the vaccine on principle and leave it at that. You don't have to justify it with fake numbers of people dying from the vaccine or conspiracy theories that seem to believe we have technology about 100 years ahead of what we actually have to make vaccines that are secretly...I'm not even sure what. I have seen theories about microchips, modifying our DNA, and even saw one guy post that "each vaccine contains DNA from the cloned anti-Christ and any Christian who gets it will be barred from heaven." My point there is you do yourself no favors by allying with the crazy. You just end up being grouped with them.

I agree with your conclusion statement.
You should be firmly against bLM, CRT and AuntTeefa.

BLM as a movement is not responsible for rioters unless they pre-planned the riot. Or should I also oppose the full Republican part because of Jan 6?

CRT - nobody I've ever heard argue against it has any clue what it is. In fact one video I got sent was a black guy speaking against CRT and at the end said "instead of getting angry at the white people around me for having more than me, I realized it wasn't their fault. They didn't set this up, they were just kids like me"...which is exactly what CRT would have told him, which was pretty amusing.

ANTIFA - any group with 'by any means necessary' in their mission statement are to be worried about. But people pretending they are some organized group never bothered to read up on who they are. They are pretty much anarchists and have no trust for any government. The level of organization and planning that some have attributed to Antifa is laughable.

You can defend them and/or claim they aren't real all you like.
When bLM chants about killing police and frying them like bacon at their rallies... people are going to believe that's who they are.
AuntTeefa certainly seems real and organized when they show up in the hundreds to kick old ladies and journalists and set things on fire.
They think they are real and the attempted radical racial and sexual 're-education' going on across the country right now is real too. Look at Loudon County, VA for example.
It appears the lines are drawn and most have chosen a side.
I'm still trying to use reason and objectivity, but I would probably have better luck teaching a hippopotamus to tap dance.
C'est la Vie.

Chants at rally's - like "hang mike pence?"

A person at a rally was chanting about killing cops. One time. But any excuse to dismiss a whole group involved in the biggest civil rights protests to ever happen. They must be making it up.

ANTIFA are a disorganized group and the head of the FBI made it clear that they are more of an idea than an organization. I know they got hated on for saying that, but it is historically true. That doesn't mean they don't form cells, and those cells don't sometimes collaborate, but it does make the FBI's job harder because there is no central leadership. The FBI has to understand how they are and aren't organized in order to infiltrate or track them. There is no gatekeeper. Nobody can say you are or aren't a member of ANTIFA. If you say you are, you are. Such groups can do a lot of damage but they have never shown any signs of centralized leadership. I'm truly not defending them, but you can't fight an enemy you don't understand or track someone if you misunderstand their methods. All the things you describe can be done without centralized organization.

What specifically do you want me to look at in Loudon County? At a glance, a sexual assault accusation that is being investigated.

Reason and objectivity. I'm not seeing a lot of that TBH.

"One time."
If you can't be honest, we can't converse.
I thought it was worth a shot.

Well prove me wrong. To my knowledge it was used at a march in St Paul. I have never heard it used elsewhere or other times. But I don't know what I don't know. Educate me.

Come on. Don't do that sour grapes thing. Show me I'm wrong or man up and admit you were wrong. It's a basic tenant of polite discourse.

For the sake of conversation, why don't you tell me what CRT is, since you say nobody knows.
A lot of people have read their materials and summarized pretty succinctly, but I'd like to let you to clear it up.
Educate me, please.

google it

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/civil-rights-reimagining-policing/a-lesson-on-critical-race-theory/

It is a practice of looking at how racist ideas in the past made their way into laws and unofficial practices and continued to propagate and impact POC. The fact that these laws and the disadvantages they caused still exist can lead to someone 'just doing their job' unintentionally continuing a racist practice (that's one example). Honestly, most critiques of CRT expand its role and see it as being far more than it is.

Not if the vax was FDA approved or at least recommend by doctors.

When you can't obey the constitution, you must subvert it other ways. Democrats have figured out how to bypass the Constitution and silence people (social media bans) and now have figured out how to control us through coercion by our own employers by using OSHA guidance. They have essentially admitted it as being the "ultimate workaround" ever when it comes to stealing people's liberties.

If an existing law or policy allows us to do something without passing a whole new law, then you don't pass a new law.

As far as overreach, Trump passed executive orders to delay and grant exemptions to the ACA, which was and is the law.

Or when Trump wanted money to build the wall and he moved money around within the military budget and declared a state of emergency?

Stealing their liberties to do what exactly? How does the government benefit from forcing people to obey mandates and ordinance? How does this jeopardize liberty? Are you implying a slippery slope policy? Or are you arguing for individual irresponsibility?

mandates are not laws, and are unconstitutional. this gonna get good/bad.

Mandates are laws and constitutional.

Please provide evidence of your claim.

Vaccine mandates are legal. It has already been challenged at the SCOTUS, and the safety of all, override the freedoms of one. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Are you vaccinated? If you are then me not getting one isn't putting you at risk.

How's that? Did they develop a 100% effective covid vaccine?

I don't know, why don't you ask Joe Biden about that? He told everyone if you get the vaccine you won't get sick from covid or have to go to the hospital. That was a lie.

If you get the shot your chances of getting it bad is next to never so what are you worried about? You won't get it from me since I already had the virus.

Don't need to ask him. I knew even the best covid vaccines weren't 100% effective from the beginning.

I don't care what my survival chances are , I don't want it and I don't want to spread it to others, so I do what I can for myself healthwise AND with the vaccines.. And I hope others will do the same. But unfortunately my own neighbors are among the "I refuse to get vaxxed" camp and they're probably high risk..... As much as I think they're blockheads, I don't want them to possibly die or be hospitalized from me accidentally spreading it to them.

Are you against pre-employmwnt drug testing for pilots, teachers, amd hospital staff?

Vaccinations and drug testing aren't the same thing. Nice try though.

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The whole thing is a total mess right now. I don't know who is what, which side and what not. But here's some unbiased reality and truth.

No one should force anyone to take the vaccine -- mandate, law, order, whatever, all the same.

That being said, people who preach freedom and choice should not go around politicalizing the vaccine as some government conspiracy and then mock everyone who took the vaccine as guinea pigs or implying taking the vaccine means supporting Biden.

Keep your political hate, right or left, to yourself. Let everyone else decide on their own what they want to do about the vaccine.

and now they take credit for the vaccine I haven't taken.

Biden is hardly a savior.

He just isn’t dictator like Trump wanted to be.

Hopefully Republicans can find a candidate who is more experienced and less of an embarrassment.

I’ll vote for that Republican in a heartbeat over dementia Joe.

Biden: "there are things you can't do by Executive order, unless you're a dictator."
Also Biden: signs 60-some executive orders to undo Trump items. Still signing them 8 months later to get what he wants.

And now he’s going to reinstate Trump’s policy that refugee applicants must remain in Mexico while their application is processed. It only took a million or so illegal border crossings for the Biden administration to figure out that Trump’s policy was practical, not racist.

Yes!!! Lmao

A plethora of executive orders do not equal legislating by executive order. Most of them were 180 reversal of policy changes. No laws have been made by Joe Biden by executive order.

Dude he’s a republican, note his template, he’s making fun of her. He’s anti slow joe

You might want to read my entire comment.

Both Trump and Biden suck.

Trump is still better than a pedophile

Trump is an incestuous pedophile.

The rest is for the states.

I agree with this one. I am fully vaxxed - didn't turn into a mutant. Hell, Ben Shapiro is fully vaxxed.

Heck if Trump had made universal healthcare the left probably would've opposed it.

If he had simply ordered it outright, then yes, but I would oppose Biden on that as well as a matter of principle.

So far Biden had limited his executive orders to his authority - federal workers and the military. The proposed OSHA guidance is a creative way of pushing for more using existing laws in a way that I don't personally find to be an expansion of existing power.

I see it all as an overreach, especially using OSHA, if vaccine safety is workplace safety the entire world opens, will OSHA demand specific brand vehicles, sleep patterns, diets? This is the biggest pandora's box ever built. I think Biden's overreach will collapse under a string of lawsuits, protests and walkouts but the damage will be done. No one is buying the emergency crap we are two years into this. It is about power and even a blind person can see it.

Everyone can see it - nah. I think you might be mistaking noise for numbers. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of you, but definitely not a majority.

About power - I don't think so. There is an easy to understand reason for this. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I doubt it.

More than half the country is vaccinated, yet we still have hospitals at capacity. We need to hit herd immunity before we get a variant that puts us back at square one. I know the vaccine doesn't fully protect but decreases spread would be a win for our Frontline workers who could use a break at this point.

As to law suits, who can say? But be prepared for lawsuits on both ends when people sue to not work with unvaccinated people or when a few businesses in Texas for instance who are told they can't mandate vaccines decide to let those people go. At will hire laws are fairly prevalent after all. That will lead to more law suits... Ah well. We'll just have to see how it plays out.

That's correct. Most of America is as mindless as Biden. Hard to see stuff when you can't think properly.

Sounds like you are working up to dismantling democracy and elections.

Nah - just seeing 81 Million ppl that voted for Biden.

It's an odd situation when two sides are absolutely convinced the other side is brainwashed, isn't it?

What if we are both right?

I'm pretty much a 57/43 Democrat/Republican in my political beliefs. I think you're on to something honestly.

More untruth's. Hospitals assign beds for covid, when those are full many other floors are nowhere close to full. They are also "testing" trauma victims and if the victim dies of gunshot would, car crash etc, the will write in covid as cause of death, it allows the hospital to use "emergency covid funds." Covid is a huge money maker for hospitals. No one seems to question why the US with all our room, all our medical wonders has a much higher number of covid victims than third world countries.

Beds are fine, but a bed doesn't an ICU make. For that you need nurses and other supplies.

If someone dies of a gunshot with COVID and they tested for some reason, it would be reported in the states daily numbers. But final reporting and cause of death come from the death certificate which is determined by the local medical examiner or equivalent.

Your accusation them is that across the country everyone is lying. Motive is money.

Motive isn't enough - you need evidence. Why hasn't any governor or Trump when he was in office sent out people to verify it disprove cause of death? Think about how easy that would be. But they haven't. Why? Because this is a BS argument and they get more traction with the accusation.

Why the US has more cases than the third world - all of our resources and medical marvels don't mean shit if people refuse to use them.

I am so glad that you have all the answers. Millions have resisted the vaccine and all because of them being tricked. Not a one has a real reason, excuse or valid concern.

You are starting to sound more interested in spreading propaganda than actually attempting to gain insight. The inflated numbers and people that spoke out have been around for months, whistleblowers have tried to beat the corporate censors, I suspect you have seen some of this but it doesn't fit your worldview so you dismiss it all. I do the opposite, anytime someone make a stand that I disagree with I try and find out why. In your world, that is not necessary because you will never change your point of few no matter what you find. It is a big world you can runaway from all us unvaccinated people.

There are plenty of real reasons to resist being forced to get a vaccine. Which is why it is frustrating to hear fake reasons. I know all of the arguments you've been using are shit because I took the time to look into them as I've seen them repeated over and over. I don't know everything, but I want to know as much as possible.

I didn't just reject the arguments - I looked into them. Where possible, I talked to people. My mother in law (for instance) is a former Neuro trauma ICU nurse. She developed a latex allergy and had to change jobs, but she's still knowledgeable.

Too many people fall prey to confirmation bias and believe without filter those things that support their existing beliefs. It's hard to make yourself question things you want to be true.

So, slippery slope.

There is no evidence that will happen. Therr is one thing that has been pretty consistent from the scientific community; the virus is a threat, vaccines generally work and are safer to get than being infected while unvaccinated. Out of all the inconsistencies and flip-flopping of which they’ve been accused - this remains fact.

The facts are, every vaccine has the ability to kill. Genetically, there will always be people that react and forcing them to take the vaccine to work, travel etc is really attempted murder.

No.
Like forcing people to wear seat belts. Statistically it might save your life but in rare cases it could kill you. I had a friend who's uncle was thrown from a vehicle because he wasn't buckled and lived. The car was pretty much crushed and had he been buckled he would have died. Yet seatbelt laws aren't attempted murder.

Seat belts do not have the experience of hands on treatment, natural immunity or an education, nice try though.

Still not attempted murder.

Yes, we are two years into this. You pandemic-deniers said it was about Power weeks into it. You claimed once Democrats “seized control” it would “go away.” Yet, here we are. The whole world still dealing with it. I guess the international powers that be will continue to play along just so Democrats can retake all three branches of government.

Sorry but that just makes less sense to me than we’re simply dealing with an ongoing deadly and contagious pandemic.

And it appears you pandemic-deniers won’t be believe it until everyone over 60 is dead.

That’s about 920 million people in the world.

Almost 5 million are dead in two years.

I guess 368 years to go.

Fauci said by spring it would be more akin to a common cold by Spring of 2022... Like what, a week ago? Amazing that it's just gonna get way less deadlier "trust the science"

I’m willing to bet he is more referring to the seasonal waves rather than the severity of the virus. If he was, I agree that this kind of nonesense talk is what gets him into hot water.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/22/dr-anthony-fauci-warns-the-coronavirus-wont-ever-be-totally-eradicated.html

Context - he said with a vaccine and global herd immunity we could get it under control and it would become like a common cold.

Remember how new European diseases affected native Americans who lacked immunity? Well, there are still a lot of people out there without any immunity for COVID.

Had the medical community recorded the actual numbers and not inflated them for political gain the pandemic might not have reached pandemic levels, we will never know. The simple truth is when you have Doctors, nurses and other medical professionals that have been treating this for almost two years walking out instead of taking the vaccine you should at least ask them why.

I know why they walked out.

They’re uneducated or they did it for attention.

Lol, that's is the stupidest thing that I will read today. You think you are smarter than Doctor's, get a grip.

How many doctors have been fired for refusing to vaccinate?

As far as I know, medical personnel doesn't exclusively mean doctors.

And besides, I gave the educated an out with seeking attention.

Do your own research, they are easy to find and some are at the top of their fields. Or be an adult and realize that not everything fits into your narrow world view.

I did.

Vaccines are safe.

Not sure what all the hubbub is about.

My best friend died less than two days after taking the vaccine, naturally, the hospital refused to even consider the possibility that his death and the shot were connected. There are plenty of similar stories but the truth is no one checks or tests anything to see if the vaccine is playing a role in healthy people dropping dead. I just have to wonder and when I see medical personnel refusing, I wonder about that too. I also wonder why the reasons to take the vaccine have changed, why now threats are necessary and such a strong propaganda blitz is needed when numbers are dropping and more treatments are available. It doesn't matter if I ever get answers, I have decided that there is no rational reason for me to ever get the vaccine,

Anecdotal and possibly even a lie.

The hospital is unlikely to tell you a damn thing in regards to your “friend”.

There are plenty of tests to see what are viable causes of death. Your little story and the countless others do not make for good objective reasoning just because you “feel” that your friend died from the vaccine.

Not all medical personnel are trained doctors. Not all doctors are trained in virology. You can wonder all you like but doing a little bit of research shoes very few, maybe in the hundreds do doctors ever say anything that isn’t first verified by overwhelming reliable data that concludes vaccines, in general, are safe and effective.

There are plenty of rational reasons to get a vaccine. There are also plenty of irrational ones to not get the vaccine as well.

I see very few rational reasons to not get one.

Your story and reasons does not apply to the ones that I would ascribe as rational.

You can't say he limited his executive orders when his first 40 or so were strictly undoing Trump's work.

Any executive order Trump issued, the new president would obviously have the authority to undo.

When Biden was talking about Trump and his executive orders and made a statement eluding to that type of action being dictator-esque - then Biden turns executive orders the heck out of stuff... It makes Biden a hypocrite.

Maybe. Most politicians are to one degree or another.

But in this case, I think context is important. Trying to kill the ACA with executive orders is the president subverting a law passed by Congress.

Giving executive orders that fall under the authority and duties of the president is just doing your job. Reversing existing executive orders is clearly in scope

There have been a few things people have pushed Biden to do but EO that he has deferred to Congress.

But maybe you have examples of specific EOs that were overreach?