I remember when vaccines actually gave you immunity.

Yeah, they actually had to change the definition of vaccine for this to qualify as one.

Triggered three or four liberals with memes that had the literal definition of vaccine and immunity.

Interesting. Did they have to change the definition for the seasonal flu vaccine as well?

No, don't believe so.

The seasonal flu vaccine is only about 50% effective and we've always considered it a vaccine. *shrug*

It’s not a vaccine it’s an inoculation.

The Covid vax is also inoculation, it lets you get a mild version of it.

Essentially, but not a true inoculation because it’s not the actual virus it’s a synthetic version of it.

According to some people here a few months back, it was a death sentence...

Me: still existing
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Ya some people still believe that. Just like some people still believe politics shouldn’t be part of public medicine.

Well... If they're correct, they might end up shoveling a lot of corpses. I guess on the plus side, y'all won't have to deal with reading my lefty rantings and memes.
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Because you are safe from the virus? Then why do you care what others do? If you feel so smug and safe why the need to force others to act against their will? Lefty petty tyrant syndrome.

""If you got the vaccine are “protected” from Covids worst ravages then why the need for everyone to bow down in conformity.....rant rant....the left are supreme authoritarian fascists""

This isn't about making people bow down in conformity. It's about fighting covid in America. Decreasing your own likelihood of getting covid decreases the likelihood of anyone else getting it from you. Public medicine. Public health. Some people still believe politics shouldn't be part of it....not sure if you are among those people or not(?)

Politics shouldn’t be part of it and public health should be science based with open discussion and debate on facts. Many on the left disagree and demand you bow down and conform regardless of debate or belief. This is counter to American tradition and freedom.

Uh.. not sure if you got what I was saying... They'd be shoveling my corpse. Allegedly everyone who got the vaccine was supposed to die. I'm fully vaxxed so... Death sentence for me.

And no I'm not necessarily safe from the virus. The vaccine isn't 100% effective. We knew that from the beginning....like 10 months ago. But even when it was more effective before we had all the variants people were like.. nah..

If the left really wanted control and to remain in control and be tyrants or whatever it seems to me Biden wouldn't be sending people door to door trying to save the lives of the people who voted against him.

If you got the vaccine are “protected” from Covids worst ravages then why the need for everyone to bow down in conformity.

The Biden administration is repeatedly seen trying to forcibly quash dissent. Talk about fascism. The left are supreme authoritarian fascists. Smother any resistance and quash even a question or discussion. That’s not America.

I get what you're saying, but they did change the definition from providing immunity to providing protection.

Born in 1980. I'm a millennial, and I remember. You might have the wrong generation there. You may mean gen z.

I stand corrected.

1980? No you're on the rear end of Generation X. That's why you remember

Nah, you’re Gen Y like me.
https://brianniemeier.com/2017/11/lost-generations/

Nope they shifted the years again. I'm gen X but I fall in the fate range for millennials for that article. Find a non wiki pedia source.

Two different people who say I'm not a millennial have given me different answers for which gen I am a part of. Multiple different sources give slightly different answers for what qualify as a millennial, but most do have me making the cutoff, though just barely..
It boils down the the generation categories being broad generalizations, rather than being truely well defined caregories.

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There are more than 200 strains of viruses that cause the common cold. Do we want to take 200 vaccinations just to prevent a mild disease?

true.
not 200 strains, 200 species.
Which means you can get colds 200 times.

Flu vaccine was only 16% more effective than not getting it.

Upvote!

and that time is today.

Hmmm. No. You don't.

What you remember are vaccines that were widely distributed and eliminated the disease, thus stopping break-through cases.

How many people do you know who've had mumps?

That vaccine is only 80% effective.

Yet... when nearly 100% of the population is vaccinated it works out

Man, it's almost like science n facts and not your feelings.

So. Weird.

Nope. All those diseases were eliminated before vaccines came out from hygiene and quarantine measures.

They provably were not. Go read up about the number of deaths per year to measles. Then what were the recorded deaths after the vaccinations started? What about when we hit near 100%.

Want to know more about when the mumps vaccine was developed? And why it's named after a woman? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121553/

You need to do some research. Almost all diseases were reduced or eliminated long before vaccines came out for them.

That's a lot of anti-vaxxer nonesense.

I can remember a time when conservatives weren't dumb sociopaths who were willing to kill themselves after being proven wrong over a virus.

It was one of my weirder dreams.

Your confusing Republicans with conservatives. Conservatives always do research and try to do the right thing.

Hey, at least they're doing what they loved when they die: owning the libs.

No, you don't. Vaccines NEVER prevented infection entirely. They ALWAYS worked by lessening the severity and timeframes of the infections. Always. You do not remember otherwise, you just think you do because you didn't understand how vaccines worked in the first place.

Remember the photo of the two kids with smallpox? Both kids are sick, the vaccinated one is recovering but the unvaccinated one has severe full-body coverage of spots?

Please post the pic.

This is a very famous photo that is part of what is widely considered a vaccine success story.

Both these children caught smallpox on the same day. They are both sick. Both have smallpox.

The one on the right was vaccinated for smallpox at birth. The one on the left was never vaccinated.

As you can plainly see, the one on the right is already recovering. The one on the left is a much more serious case.

And this was considered vaccines doing their job.

Vaccines do not and never did prevent infection entirely. They learn the effects of the infection. That has always been how vaccines worked. If you believed otherwise, it was only because you didn't know how vaccines actually work.

Yes that is a good piece of anecdotal evidence. That would (as intended) scare the living daylight out of many.

Just like the pics of people on respirators today. The padding of Covid numbers with motorcycle accident victims and those with serious comorbididity. (also annecdotal)

Provenance is impossible.

So NOW you want the empirical peer- reviewed evidence that vaccines are doing their job? There's lots of that. What were you waiting for, exactly?

I would like FDA standards of reporting side effects followed.

In human trials every reported side effect must be listed.

I would like to see the pharmaceutical companies held responsible for injuries caused by the drug. What ever happened to the hatred for BIG PHARMA?

Example, the new drug to cure Tartive Discanisia (uncontrollable facial and limb movement, caused by anti-psychotic drugs) can cause uncontrolable movement. LOL!

I don't think that's true at all. Patients have a long-known habit of reporting side effects that aren't actually side effects, and clinicians aren't the most reliable at knowing what is a side effect and what isn't either. That's why studies often run a placebo group with double blinding so you can get a sense of what kind of side effects people and their clinicians will report that clearly have nothing to do with anything. The FDA should absolutely not be listing those as confirmed side effects.

It's not. Prevalence of blood clots after the J&J is about the same as it is with the population in general.

Should they be investigating them?

... the side effects from the double blinded placebo group? No, they shouldn't. Should I have explained what "placebo" meant? I don't mind, it's just you've been asserting yourself so confidently as a knowledgeable person, I took it as read that you'd know what that means.

All the ones I've seen show the vaccine is nearly worthless.

Interestingly neither has an ounce of fat on them.

THAT'S your observation? You can't see a rather more obvious feature that differentiates these two cases from each other?

Not without knowing when they were infected when they were vaccinated and what their general health and diets were.

Prior to the covid vaccine, only a small percentage of those who caught it even ended up hospitalized. But we are frequently hearing about how many of the vaccinated are still getting hospitalized. They claim that it lessens severity, but use your own go***mned observations. It is not effective enough to justify infringing on our medical autonomy.
Covid was never this great looming threat. The survival rate is well over 99%, yet the media just hyped it up like it's the greatest threat ever. It's not as bad as polio, smallpox, or even the measles. Forcing vaccinations onto everyone regardless of thier will is not justified.
They are genuinely talking about mandating the violation of our individual medical autonomy, for something that doesn't work very well against a threat that was never great. And I'm not saying people shouldn't take the vaccine. I took it back in March (Johnson & Johnson) but that was MY CHOICE. But I cant help but think that a minor, almost non-threat, is being manipulated to justify further and further government intrusion into our personal lives and decisions.

The people still being hospitalized are unvaccinated, by overwhelming numbers. There's no mystery here whatsoever.

By unvaccinated, you mean those that survived 14 days after taking up to 4 shots right? Like the CDC numbers say?
Just so you know the majority of vaccine side effects and deaths happen within the 14 day window.

That’s ridiculous,the primary purpose of a vaccine is to not get it. Please explain all the people who just got a mild case of polio. 😂😂😂😂

He is spitting facts. They only prevent death and severe cases, not the disease itself.

No, the point of them has always been for the patient to not catch the disease at all. If it were just “reduce symptoms,” how would we have outright eliminated smallpox?

By increasing hygiene and sanitation. Like we did before the vaccines came out.

anti virus software doesn't prevent computer viruses. they only lesson the symptoms of those computer viruses.

Do I really need to explain that you're not a computer?

do I need to explain my body, my choice?

Yes you do. Your unvaccinated ass is spreading the infection to other bodies, some of whom will die. You're killing them. That warrants an explanation as to why you think you're entitled to kill people.

...so "my body, my choice" doesn't apply when it comes to the possible death of another human...?

It applies. You may end up unemployed, but that's personal responsibility, right?

okay.. so the vaccine prevents me from catching and spreading covid? try again.

I spread the disease at one-third the rate you do. Probably even less, since I'm going to guess that you don't wear masks and socially distance as much as I do?

Anyway. You're keeping the infection above pandemic levels. I'm not. It's that simple.

Get your shots.

Riiiight. That's why Israel can't get rid of it and all of these variants keep popping up. It's that MAGA movement in the Levant that is making folks shun science! The only thing you can claim is that it lessons the severity of symptoms, and that by taking it I can be less of a potential burden on healthcare services.. but then lefties go and fire a bunch of healthcare workers (creating a burden on said system) for not taking a vaccine after developing natural immunity.

Israel's current infection is entirely driven by the 20% who aren't vaccinated.

Question: Can you catch and or spread COVID after being vaccinated? Simple Y/N answer please.

I have most definitely answered that to you already.

Then this is the suckiest "vaccine" ever.

You know how some years the flu shot doesn't work because the CDC "guessed wrong" at which flu strains would be prevalent in the upcoming season?

Yeah. Even on a bad year it does a better job than the Covid shot.

Not so.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/fully-vaccinated-pfizer-more-likely-get-delta-than-natural-immunity/

...and that's why Vermont still had a record setting spike in cases last month despite an 80% "vaccinated" population.

...and that's why Harvard Law went back to virtual-only this year despite, if I recall, a 95% "vaccinated" student body.

In cases per capita AND deaths per capita, Vermont is 51st in the United States (counting DC). So, yeah, what do they get for their 80% vaccination rate?

The best performance during a pandemic. Least hospitalizations and least mortality IN THE ENTIRE UNION.

They have herd immunity. It's theirs. They got there. And they got it so quickly by vaccinations.

Boy gosh darn willekers, what a great point you made!

Sure wouldn't seem that way by the massive case spike.

Gawrsh it almost looks like the vaccine doesn't slow the spread...

And you call us the hysterical ones. Massive case spike.

They're the best performing state in all this and still are.

Didn't the Great and Powerful DOCTOR FAUCI, declare that the vaccinated are SUPER SPREADERS?

If he didn't, he should.

https://news.yahoo.com/virus-surge-hits-england-despite-182005486.html

He did not, no.

Here is the link. He says that the vaxxed are just as likely to spread it as the unvaccinated.
https://youtu.be/mP9iHyj1uiU

Prime example being the Texas Democrat Fleebaggers who all flew to DC.

Literally caused a Superspreader Event that caused DC to remain just over the threshold of an emergency status.

Antithesis said,
So first of all, that's already very different from what you wrote in CAPITAL LETTERS. Second, I'm going to go ahead and guess that the actual transcript is different still from what you're saying now.

Uh? It is a video, so...

the only thing that f**king vaccine does is make big pharma rich. period.

All the families who lost someone due to the unstudied adverse effects with that was all the Covid shots did.

Marc Lamont Hill probably wishes that was all it did, too.

i sense person losing argument

Lift your arm and take a sniff...

It's you.

I don't think talking to your reflection is a good idea..

Try, I'm rubber you're glue next time.

I have considered this information very carefully. I have decided that in this instance, I am OK with big pharma getting paid to save huge numbers of lives at no cost at point-of-service.

I have considered this information very carefully. I have decided that in this instance, I am OK with big pharma getting paid to save huge numbers of lives at no cost at point-of-service.

It certainly ain't charity...

Saving huge numbers of lives is communism?

I think you just became communism's biggest proponent on imgflip.

so how many people who catch big Rona wind up in the hospital? how deadly is it? you're cool with enormous big pharma profits, sending Bezos into space etc. all for a virus with a 98% survival rate? I thought leftists were for the little guy? All this is doing is increasing the divide between those who have and those who don't. Way to go Bolsheviks!

“No cost at point of service”?

Okay, who’s paying for it?

So how do you feel about abortion?

If you're pro choice, it shouldn't matter which medical choice. I'd like an explanation as to why pregnant women are entitled to kill people. If it's my body my choice, regardless of how it affects another life...

Of course, if you're anti abortion, then at least your logic is consistent.

No, I’m not. You know why not? *I’m not sick.*

You act like anyone who hasn’t gotten these experimental medical treatments is just a walking reservoir of the virus at all times. This is insane.

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