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covid crap | SWEDEN- ONLY 44% VACCINATED, VIRTUALLY NO COVID DEATHS FOR A MONTH; "MOVE ALONG, NOTHING TO SEE HERE" | image tagged in sweden flag,dr fauci | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
1,102 views 64 upvotes Made by sharps45 3 years ago in politics
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8 ups, 3y,
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Yeah... but this is America! If our news media and politicians can't control us by using fears of statistically miniscule probabilities of death -- or by calling everything a racism -- we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves!

Besides, we have too much on our mind anyway... the current price of a Starbucks coffee, complaining about how unfair things are, what Cardi B is up to... best to let the media/politicians do our thinking for us in all things.
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0 ups, 3y,
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sweden is socialist.
0 ups, 3y,
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Sweden is a Parliamentary Democracy. So... no... it's not.

In case you're wondering, America is a Constitutional Republic.

It's quite easy to research all of this -- half of it should have been taught to you as a child -- but for some reason people lack the ability to research these days despite carrying a tiny computer with access to the internet in their pockets where ever they go. Be better; be stronger; get informed.
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0 ups, 3y,
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then the US should have the same government safety nets sweden has. so we won't need to vax or lock down.
0 ups, 3y,
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You seem unfamiliar with the many, many social safety nets America already has in place. I'm unsure what more could be done to prevent a need for vaccination; everyone should get one if they are medically/religiously/etc. able. Before you say, "Socialized healthcare", the US already has that to a lesser extend and insofar as COVID is concerned, vaccinations and emergency healthcare is available in many states (I put the qualifier in because I'm unsure if that's true for the entire country or just some states; this applies to every state I've looked into, however).

As far as lockdowns go, Sweden weathered the COVID storm without locking down. They prevented foreign travel, all but halted immigration, quarantined individuals/groups when necessary and just went about their normal lives. Certain US states also did this and made it through the initial outbreak relatively unscathed; despite spikes in cases, death rates were very low compared to other states of similar populations and density. So... if we don't want lockdowns... let's not lockdown. That would mean that politicians wouldn't have complete control over the populace... and it seems our politicians have grown quite accustomed to having carte blanch over how we plebs live.
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0 ups, 3y,
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america has ZERO free healthcare for anybody except medicare/medicaid.

sweden didn't need to lock down because they had plenty of paid time off and stay at home pay for at risk people, plenty of medical care for free, plenty of in home services for free, things we don't offer because they are 'socialist".
0 ups, 3y,
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Yes, Medicaid (for economically poor people)/Medicare (for older people). But are emergency room visits not free to homeless, illegal immigrants and, let's be real, anyone that just doesn't pay and don't care about their credit report? People in need of emergency care can't be turned away, I had thought. The vaccine is also free... unless that's changed? Were you the one in the medical field (I'm honestly not being snarky, I forgot; I spoke to someone earlier who was)… if so, am I totally off-base about this? I'll do some digging but get back to me about it if you have the time or interest and are the person I'm thinking you might be.

Ahh... you meant "socialist" not Socialist. In that case, our Constitutional Republic is also "socialist" as you pointed out by referencing Medicare/Medicaid, though admittedly not as "socialist" as Sweden... who have higher taxes to pay for the basic level of care they receive, who have higher employment rates, who have less densely packed cities and who are demographically homogenous. All of these factor into how a much smaller nation can reasonably sustain their social security nets. They didn't even have a national defense budget to speak of until recently, because, until recently, the US provided their national defense.

The plus side about many of President Biden's policies is that we get to see what happens if America becomes more "socialist". Trillions of dollars of our GPD is being borrowed against and funneled into paying folks extra to stay home and keep them from being evicted for not paying rent... which is still just a small fraction of what Universal Basic Income and Healthcare would cost. If, at the end of this experiment, we suffer no ill effects, I'll happily demand that our government pay people a living wage to do absolutely nothing. I'm no idiot... I'd love to take a (drastic) pay cut to do nothing.
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do you want millions of dollars in medical bills haunting you? that's what happens when you're uninsured and go to the hospital. there's no free ride as you claim.

the stay at home pay biden and trump rolled out (which are not good) would be totally unnecessary if we had swedens better safety nets.
0 ups, 3y,
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I don't want collectors hunting after me, no... but I'm not other people. I know it happens, otherwise collectors wouldn't be a thing. And you're right about "no free ride"... even the homeless, drug addicts and illegal immigrants who are seen in emergency rooms have their bills paid... just not by them... which was my point.

Absolutely the stay at home pay isn't good thing! It wasn't when Trump did it... it's still not now that Biden is continuing it... I've said that from the beginning and I'm happy we agree! But that is my point though. The stay at home pay is a pale comparison to the massive investment of capital it would take to make that possible for America. Our GDP is roughly 20ish trillion dollars annually... the first round, under Trump, was set to the tune of 4 trillion, or around there. To provide Universal Basic Income and Healthcare to every man, woman and child in America would have us well over our GDP and unable to invest in literally any other aspect of our nation.

This is kind of a side note but did you know that, you cannot apply for the majority of social benefits in Sweden unless you were born in Sweden or are born abroad to Swedish citizens? Which is another difference between the US and Sweden... in practice, at least.
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0 ups, 3y,
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out of one side of your mouth, you say we should be like sweden. but out of the other side...
0 ups, 3y
My personal belief is: too much is given to those who haven't earned it. Just because you happen to be born in America doesn't make you any more important that a person born anywhere else... privileges, like social security nets, need to be earned by actually contributing something to society... so I'm opposed to VAST social security nets. I do, however, recognize the government has a duty to look out for the well-being of members of its citizenry... temporarily. None of this, 'I was born on well-fare, never aspired to be anything or do anything and now I'm having kids to raise them to be me for another generation', bull. Social nets work optimally when they are nets that keep you from hitting the ground when you fall... not nets that trap you and keep you in them until you die.

That said, if the take away from all of this is that the United States can reasonably sustain UBI and UHC for all it's people... despite clear evidence that is not the case... awesome! I'd be more than happy to argue that position without taking part in its practice... I do it all the time. Like how me and my family (minus my child) are vaccinated... and yet I support meme poster's who are on the fence about the vaccine while pointing out they should probably get one if they're able. That's just the way I am. I'm quite able to argue the merits of an argument based on logic and data while remaining consistent with my core believes and values... even if I don't like the argument I'm arguing for from a personal perspective.
6 ups, 3y,
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Do they have hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated people illegally crossing into their country and dispersing into their cities? I thought not.
0 ups, 3y,
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Actually... they do.
0 ups, 3y,
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What the f**k? A country with a comparable population to modern day NYC? Hell naw!
0 ups, 3y
They import illegals at about the save percentage as the US.
4 ups, 3y
Seal of Approval - Upvoted!
5 ups, 3y,
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2 ups, 3y
2 ups, 3y,
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2 ups, 3y,
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Less than that.
0 ups, 3y,
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Last I checked it was 3.5% average in the US
1 up, 3y
Remove deaths from unrelated causes and it drops to less than 1%
2 ups, 3y,
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We don't even wear masks here in Sweden, but unfortunately, the vaccine hype is here, too.
0 ups, 3y,
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Here in the US, there has been a lot of interest in how Sweden handled covid.

But whenever we hear anything positive about what's been done there, it is rapidly "debunked" by big tech's army of "fact checkers".

I ran across these articles and would be interested in your comments on them.

Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach ‘herd immunity’ in weeks
Apr 22 2020

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html

Mask-free Sweden nears zero daily Covid deaths as chief epidemiologist warns against ‘far-reaching conclusions’ about Delta strain
31 Jul, 2021

https://www.rt.com/news/530759-sweden-delta-masks-zero-covid-deaths/
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0 ups, 3y
sweden has paid time off, usa doesn't. https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/08/16/paid-leave-covid-vaccine/
2 ups, 3y,
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Herregud, det är du inte förnuftig.
Dr Fauci, du borde sitta i fängelse
0 ups, 3y,
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SIE SIND DAS ESSEN UND WIR SIND DIE JEEAAEGER
1 up, 3y,
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jag pratar svenska. Jag talar inte tyska särskilt bra.
In other words that you might understand:
Ich spreche schwedisch. Ich spreche nicht so gut deutsch
0 ups, 3y,
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åhhh lmao jag trodde att det var tyska. Jag använder också google translate
0 ups, 3y,
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No. I am an American of Swedish descent
0 ups, 3y,
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So if a Swedish man decides to go trans, does he lose his Swedish meatballs?
1 up, 3y
I haven't s clue. I don't know any stupid Swedish men. Shit, with the beauties that Sweden produces (Greta Thunberg doesn't count) why would a man want to switch sides?
0 ups, 3y
They also have a population smaller than some of our cities spread out over an area the size of our largest states making person to person transmission much less likely to happen.
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0 ups, 3y
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sweden is socialist. wanna be like them?
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1 up, 3y,
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You actually think it's socialist?
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0 ups, 3y,
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aren't their programs socialist?
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0 ups, 3y,
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[response from below]: Neither our healthcare or Sweden's is socialist. Pay attention to the world before you talk about it.

Ours is a regulatory corporatist disaster. We let private business take care of it but we also don't have an environment in which that business has to compete, which means they just do as they please.

Sweden's is a public program, but that's not enough to make something socialist
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0 ups, 3y,
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so the government does NOT fund health care in sweden?
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0 ups, 3y,
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Remember where we went over what makes something socialist?

Clearly you've forgotten. Read it again and then come back. 🙂
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0 ups, 3y,
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i guess that makes sweden's programs socialist.
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0 ups, 3y,
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They literally are not. How can you possibly be this dense. It's like talking to a wall.
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0 ups, 3y,
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government funded = socialist. just like roads :) it's ok, socialism is good!
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0 ups, 3y,
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That is so wrong. My word. You've gotta be trolling at this point.
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0 ups, 3y
roads ARE socialist aren't they? government owned, government workers, government paid.
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0 ups, 3y,
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Nope. You should read about them sometime. Capitalism is king over there.
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0 ups, 3y,
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then why the socialist government medical care? child care? time off? all socialist.
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0 ups, 3y,
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No they're not,

Step 1: So you can understand what you're talking about, Google "socialism". I've already done it for you to save us a bit of time. Here's what Google says:

[a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole]

Therefore, in order to be socialist, something has to be both politically and economically oriented towards achieving the goal of regulating the means of production, distribution, and exchange solely by the community (via the government).

Step 2: Now that we've defined what a program has to be in order to be socialist, let's compare it with these countries. What you'll find is that they indeed have a higher degree of government involvement in, and regulation of, certain sectors of the economy. But, what you're failing to realize is that these are not being put in place or maintained so that the populace looks to the state, not the private market, for all solutions to all of its problems. In many other ways these countries are in fact MORE capitalist than the U.S.A.

Gasp! The U.S regulates more heavily, and has more government involvement in, some things than they do? Could they possibly think we're in fact a socialist country??? [This is the idiocy of your claim, just inverted and presented so that you see why it's flawed.]

What we have then in these countries is clearly a desire to see the private market control the economy and a high preference of personal choice vs state conformity. They just have different social attitudes as to the place of government in the quality of life of its citizens than we do. This is NOT in line with the definition of a socialist program, as we determined in Step 1, and therefore the only possible conclusion (also known as 'reality') is that these are NOT socialist countries.
0 ups, 3y,
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He/she/it isn't worth your time.
It is a troll.
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I'm aware...but annihilating them is entertaining.
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0 ups, 3y
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then why don't conservatives want those programs in the US?
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Because a well regulated private market can handle just about anything beyond national defense and land management/resource conservation better than a government agency.

Just because they're not socialist programs/states doesn't mean big government is automatically the right choice in a given situation.
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capitalism hasn't worked to provide in america what government provides better in sweden.
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0 ups, 3y,
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Our healthcare system is NOT currently a free market. You cannot possibly be so blind as to think that it is.
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0 ups, 3y
you mean our healthcare system is socialist? like sweden?
1 up, 3y,
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Sweden is capitalist with socialist programs.
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socialist programs america doesn't have.
1 up, 3y,
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Yeah, that's why we are recovering and they aren't.
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0 ups, 3y
but the meme says they ARE recovering and we're not.
0 ups, 3y,
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Government provided services are not socialism. Case closed

Let us know when Sleep Joe or other Democrats announce they are going to seize control of all private businesses and production.

The WE would have a problem compared to right wingers lying about what socialism is as a tool to fear monger
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so why no government health care in the US?
0 ups, 3y,
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Ask Trumplicans that Q we are not in their cult
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0 ups, 3y,
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they say government medical would make america socialist, but then say sweden isn't socialist :)
0 ups, 3y,
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We don't about their fear mongering BS
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0 ups, 3y
conservative hypocrisy.
0 ups, 3y,
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If you were worth the time, I would explain it to you. But, you aren't worth a bucket of cold spit.
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0 ups, 3y,
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in other words you have no evidence.
0 ups, 3y,
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You haven't read or absorbed any thing I have said in the past, and you didn't listen one iota to IKG3777 here...
So why should I waste any time with you.
You are nothing but an illiterate and ignorant troll, sniping at others in a pathetic attempt at getting attention.
Go to politics, too where your lack of knowledge and lack of imagination will most probably be appreciated.
Birds of a feather and all that.
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Should we be like Sweden or not?
0 ups, 3y,
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We are like Sweden...we are allowing immigrants in to our country with out any regard to the repercussions.
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then we should also have swedish socialism.
0 ups, 3y,
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You still grinding on this?
Get a life.
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0 ups, 3y
Just using conservative logic against itself.
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[Extension of reply chain below]. Clearly you aren't actually reading what I type, so I don't feel much like trying to substantively respond to your childish gibberish any more. Learn the difference between the role of government in a capitalist nation and a socialist one. I very helpfully provided it in an earlier comment. Once you start acting like an adult and using proper logic that builds upon established facts we can have a wholesome discussion about the matter.
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so should we be like sweden or not? that's the point of this meme.
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    SWEDEN- ONLY 44% VACCINATED, VIRTUALLY NO COVID DEATHS FOR A MONTH; "MOVE ALONG, NOTHING TO SEE HERE"