All laws should be apply evenly.

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Great point except the Gestapo states think they can just fabricate laws whenever they like. Corporate law is well established a lot of these laws could probably be challenged in court. Many would lose but many would win as well but that costs money. Lots of money.

That is a problem. It is no longer capitalism but crony capitalism where corporations all have ins with the politicians. We need to undo this and get the politics out of businesses.

But, it is who pay for their campaigns, so not likely it will ever happen. Presidential campaign in one year cost more money than what the president will actually earn in 4 years of presidency. But, everyone is fine with that... Nothing to see here.

We used to have to go to the people to support you and they had to do stuff for us. Now from businesses they have to help then and forget us.

it's the definition of fascism.

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According to the Tenth Amendment, included in the U.S. Constitution’s original Bill of Rights, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”. As explained by David J. Barron, U.S. Circuit Judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit, “The Tenth Amendment endows the people with the right to choose and define their local government”

Our local governments have been chosen. As such, walk back through the above text. Once the people have chosen their local government, the state takes action. If the state cannot take action alone, it calls on the federal government. So too, does it swing the other way.

So, given a state of emergency, it is within the US Constitution for a State to decide how it operates. Don't like how it does? Vote. The only one infringing your rights, is you by who you voted for.

United States: Working as Intended.

I have no problem with my local government. Our sheriff stated he will not enforce unjust laws. I worry about family and friends who I can not speak with on-line because a company deemed them not worthy. I can not visit people because of lock downs.

So, these family(ies) and friends who cannot speak online because a company deemed them not worthy: What warranted such action?

upvoted, btw.

the risk of transmission is never lowered. you still pass by people in the grocery store, and masks aren't doing anything. if you're so worried, in fact if anyone is so worried, they can just be shut-ins for the rest of their lives, but leave the government out of it. that is not how to keep an economy, so don't blame trump for this one.

Many scientists disagree with you on the effectiveness of masks. It's just they alone are not enough. Nor do all masks have the same effectiveness. The key to containment isn't to dismiss solutions but improve them. People are shutting themselves in and the virus continues to spread, so by your logic, shut ins don't work either. And many people are trying to go on with their lives as if the virus isn't as big a threat and that isn't working either.

I don't blame Trump on this. I blame people like you who say masks don't work. Even if you are wearing a mask, you enable people who aren't. I don't think you should be arrested, forcibly quarantined, or even killed.

I think being responded to, like this, is enough of a punishment. And I wouldn't even call this a punishment or even an annoyance. Just simply corrected and move on.

Every time you're wrong, you should be reminded that you're wrong.

I don't mind it when I'm wrong and corrected.

So, correct me if I'm wrong.

they don't work and it has been proven.

the virus is not a big threat, I had it.

the country is trending toward that though. pure fascism. they won't jail us, they'll just make it so you can't run your errands day to day without one. and soon you'll have to have had the vaccine before you can go anywhere. what ever happened to 'my body my choice'?

you are in no position, and have no authority whatsoever to punish me with. that statement is not valid.

I do not mind being wrong when I am wrong. I just gave you the same amount of proof you gave me, that masks are about as effective as a chainlink fence and dust.

Where has it been proven, exactly? The CDC is still recommending the use of masks and have been doing so all through the Trump administration.

Great! You are one of 98% who’ve had it and survived. Meanwhile almost almost 2% who’ve had it have died and more than twice that percentage of that had to fight for their lives to get where you are. That’s 1 out of 50 people dead who’ve had it. That is pretty deadly. A very big deal.

As far as masks being used for oppressive fascism, I’ll use your own words against you. It isn’t that big of deal. And vaccine inoculation remains voluntary. When people start losing their jobs, then you can start bitching. Until then it’s just alarmist drivel.

The statement is very valid. I’ll happily point you to some helpful reading to show how wrong you are. They’re called sources. Want to prove me wrong? Show your own.

The analogy you have is lovely but also wrong. I am standing behind a chain link fence, and if you were wearing a mask, then there would be two chain link fence. And if you’re social distancing then you’re 6 yards apart. (6 feet but fudging the scale of masks are fences and viruses are dust.) Since the virus is the size of dust but not carried by air except by water droplets then it would be the equivalent of a water balloon! A single speck of dust in a water balloon. Now let’s say I’m infected and you’re not. I throw this water balloon at my fence! Guess how much water gets behind your fence?

oh and why does your link say "coronavirus 2019"? I don't think we were to concerned way back when... well you weren't. wouldn't that be 'outdated' anyway?

If you bothered to click on the link, you'll see the last time the article was updated was November 20, 2020. If you find the link not recent enough, then feel free to post a more recent article concluding that masks do not work.

It's okay, I'll wait...

the link was not clickable

And yet, it works when you copy and paste it.

Just like all links that take you off imgflip, you have to copy and paste it.

The only clickable links on imgflip are links to other areas of the site.

Where has it been proven, exactly? The CDC is still recommending the use of masks and have been doing so all through the Trump administration.

Great! You are one of 98% who’ve had it and survived. Meanwhile almost almost 2% who’ve had it have died and more than twice that percentage of that had to fight for their lives to get where you are. That’s 1 out of 50 people dead who’ve had it. That is pretty deadly. A very big deal.

As far as masks being used for oppressive fascism, I’ll use your own words against you. It isn’t that big of deal. And vaccine inoculation remains voluntary. When people start losing their jobs, then you can start bitching. Until then it’s just alarmist drivel.

The statement is very valid. I’ll happily point you to some helpful light reading to show how wrong you are. They’re called sources. Want to prove me wrong? Show your own. Want to make yourself look like a fool? Chastise my source and claim I’m the fool for trusting it.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

So, I’ve shown my source. Where is yours?

The analogy you have is lovely but also wrong. I am standing behind a chain link fence, and if you were wearing a mask, then there would be two chain link fence. And if you’re social distancing then you’re 6 yards apart. (6 feet but fudging the scale of masks are fences and viruses are dust.) Since the virus is the size of dust but not carried by air except by water droplets then it would be the equivalent of a water balloon! A single speck of dust in a water balloon. Now let’s say I’m infected and you’re not. I throw this water balloon at my fence! Guess how much water gets behind your fence?

I just gave you the same amount of proof that they are ineffective as you have that they are effective. the cdc has not offered any scientific proof that makes are good for anything but keeping the guts off an orderly's face. masks have nothing to do with trump's presidency

that two percent could die from anything and everything. am I wrong? my entire family had it, my friends with heath complications, my 74 yr old grandmother, the whole county I live in. no one died. no to say deaths do not happen, but it's a Trojan horse that you are taking at face value. what's more is I know people have been labeled as Covid death that haven't even died! personally!!

it is that big of a deal when the government makes mandates 'for our own good'. they won't stop there. mark my words. it is a constitutional breach I will not stand by. as for reading, I rather enjoyed 'utopia' and 'animal farm' ever read '1984'? you know, they are quite accurate depictions of fascism got wrong, though I wouldn't call them 'light'. there is something about classic literature...

no, it is not. your so called 'punishment' is invalid. you have no authority to punish me for what I say. that is also unconstitutional. I will thank you to change the filter, there is considerable trash coming out of your mouth.

I can not give you a link as the handy dandy censorship of the internet has made it impossible. these things you have to catch in the nick of time. you see, we cant have the government exposed as anything other than the saving angels they are can we?

the water particles get smaller. thus more easily borne by air. physics. now add millions of water balloons to that and we have quite a predicament. masks are, many times, doing more harm than good.

so whilst you are hiding under your bed, I'll be living my life to the fullest as long as my country allows it. I unlike billions of others am not afraid of death. I have looked it in the face twice now, but only the good die young.

"I just gave you the same amount of proof"

Incorrect, I just provided you a brief summary through the recommended use of Covid spread by the CDC. You've provided none.

"masks have nothing to do with trump's presidency"

They do, in the context that they have been recommended more than not during the Covid crisis that started during the Trump's Presidency.

"that two percent could die from anything and everything."

Irrelevant. We're talking about Covid.

"what's more is I know people have been labeled as Covid death that haven't even died! personally!!"

Then it should be easy to prove it then. Yet, you don't.

"it is that big of a deal when the government makes mandates 'for our own good'."

And if we weren't in the middle of a pandemic where the 3rd leading cause of Death of Americans wasn't Covid-19, your argument would bear weight.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929#unintentional-injuries

"you have no authority to punish me for what I say. that is also unconstitutional."

It is not unconstitutional to speak when you are wrong. You are wrong.

"I can not give you a link as the handy dandy censorship of the internet has made it impossible."

Yes, your sources were unreliable. Imagine that.

"you see, we cant have the government exposed as anything other than the saving angels they are can we?"

The government does know where you live. I suppose they'll be coming for you any day now. Oh, wait. No, they won't.

"the water particles get smaller..."

And chain link fences are getting larger... Yes, your analogy just doesn't work but do you know what does? Masks.

"masks are, many times, doing more harm than good."

Says who?

"so whilst you are hiding under your bed,"

Top floor of my house, sitting in a chair at my desk getting ready for another day to grab supplies because I'm still struggling just like many people are.

"I'll be living my life to the fullest as long as my country allows it."

Should be easy to not loot and riot. Sure.

"I unlike billions of others am not afraid of death."

Nor spreading it, it seems.

"I have looked it in the face twice now, but only the good die young."

So, you'll live a long life, I suppose.

it is very pointless to reply I have found, but I'll reply to your last statement.
my 85 yr old friend who has no legs because of gangrene survived the virus just fine. what you do with your remaining years is up to you, and I could care less, but for someone as old as you, you have a surprising trust in all things government. as young as I am, I can see that even when it comes to a virus, there is no black and white, no straight lines. you can rest assured now that trump is out of office, there won't be a need for covid and it'll disappear (because of social distancing or something) and you can come back down stairs. (im sorry if I've offended you, but there old people here seem to be exceptionally heathy compared to the rest of the world. but then again, the world is not as it seems

I've never seen a person in their 80's on imgflip... very strange I must say.

"it is very pointless to reply I have found, but I'll reply to your last statement.
my 85 yr old friend who has no legs because of gangrene survived the virus just fine"

So did I. But I was in intensive care for almost three weeks. I was luckier than some, and you were luckier than most.

Just because you have an unhealthy mistrust of the government, doesn't mean I trust the government blindly. My doubts are not laid bare or used to dismiss what is presented. Especially if what is presented has basis in science, which of course, this does.

You can pretend this is a political situation or even a global conspiracy but at the end of the day, almost half a million people in the US have died. At least two million around the world. That cannot be easily overlooked or handwaved away no matter how much you mistrust the government.

You can rest assure that Covid will continue long past Biden's inauguration and Trump's impeachment. Not forever, certainly, but possibly for another 6-8 months. If you are right then it all goes away tomorrow, but you're wrong so it won't.

Well, now you have seen a person in their 80s on imgflip. I don't find it very strange but then again, I'm biased in that regard.

the cdc does not count. it is not a scientific study, it is a recommendation. so yes I gave you the same amount of proof you did.

covid is not a crisis, but yes they were recommended during his presidency. that has nothing to do with anything.

it is relevant, because those people are, more often than not, already on their death beds, where they would die of the common cold.

what kind of prof do you want? a selfie? "look they said I died of covid, but here I am! hardy har har"

that is pure fascism right there. "I don't care how far you cross the line as long as we don't get sick" "do whatever you say is necessary for our good, and then once the virus is magically gone from magical masks and anti bacterial sanitizer you can give us a little of our lives back if you want" if it's the third leading cause, shouldn't they be more worried about the 1st and 2nd?? seriously. (besides the fact that the death numbers have obviously been fudged)

you can say whatever you wan't, but you cannot imply that it was a punishment lol. especially since I am enjoying this immensely. oh and just because you say I'm wrong doesn't magically make me wrong.

they were not unreliable, and had the links not been removed I could have provided them. they were real scientists that have been shut up. same as the doctors that show the truth about covid.

that ain't what I said. what I meant by that (which you are well aware of) is that the government doesn't give a crap about our health and safely. there is definitely an ulterior motive.

the water balloons pop on the fence shredding the water into smaller particles that stay in the air longer. now tell me what is so illogical about that? that is where masks do more harm than good.

oh sorry, hiding in the attic about to risk your life. and you are struggling why? lol that's kinda ridiculous. but here I am, a normal person living a normal life and having a normal time in a normal county where normal people are alive... what do I know?

well as far as I know, looting and rioting is acceptable if you are on the blm antifa side... I don't call looting and rioting a life though. I am going to live as normal a life as I can, because guess what? it's gone soon. and living in hiding is never 'living' or you've never lived.

apparently spreading death is one thing I haven't done, since no one died.

that's the goal isn't it? live a long life. the only reason so many people are trying to hide from a frickin virus.

"the cdc does not count. it is not a scientific study, it is a recommendation. so yes I gave you the same amount of proof you did."

No, you didn't. You've given me nothing. Just your opinion which is based on a confirmation bias. You don't like wearing masks so you agree with people who say masks are bad yet can't seem to, conveniently, find anything worthy of reading of recent months that makes your same conclusions.

So, again, you've given me nothing.

"covid is not a crisis, but yes they were recommended during his presidency. that has nothing to do with anything."

It is a huge crisis. Not just in this country but the entire world. And it is still a huge issue despite our lower numbers in compared to some countries. Again, take a look at this recent study on the top ten leading cause of deaths to US citizens.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929#unintentional-injuries

Covid finished the year with over 300,000 deaths. Putting it right behind heart disease and cancer. I'm going to say that's enough to call it a crisis despite your flippant denial of it.

"if it's the third leading cause, shouldn't they be more worried about the 1st and 2nd?? seriously. (besides the fact that the death numbers have obviously been fudged)"

They are. The problem is that heart disease and cancer are not new. We have various treatments and ways to catch these things and are always working to improve that. Covid is still relatively new and we're still working on ways to treat it or prevent it despite it's increasing spread.

And again, you'll have to explain how the numbers are fudged. With time, the numbers have only proven to be more accurate. And covid's contagious and death rate has not slowed. This isn't proof that masks don't work, tho. Correlation doesn't always equal causation.

"what kind of prof do you want? a selfie? "look they said I died of covid, but here I am! hardy har har"

Either your situation was unique, meaning the error wasn't that serious. Or your situation was reflected by other people and you could give me an article of someone else's story that could be verified.

People taking precautions to fight a very real pandemic is not fascism.

"oh sorry, hiding in the attic about to risk your life."

Second floor. I'm 84 and the attic requires a ladder. I'm thankful enough to still be able to get up stairs. A ladder though is out of the question. Besides, the attic isn't very roomy.

apparently my whole county was luckier than most. I don't trust studies, or words from biased parties such as people in political standing. I trust my own personal experience. and what I have seen does not match up with what the government is telling us like it or not. I know people who died in car crashes, cancer deaths, heart disease, and people who haven't even died who were labeled as covid deaths. you and everyone else can tell me whatever you want, but that won't change what I saw.

how many people have died because the government wanted something? you have lived long enough to have seen wars of atom bombs, nuclear wars, and now a biological one. it's all there, but you have to choose to see it. theres no more living blissfully ignorant, letting the government take care of it, because that's not what they're doing, thats not why they're there. history has shown that.

this being a biological war, you cant focus on covid. covid is only the ammunition, look to the source to solve the issue.

Trump can not be impeached. he is no longer the president.

they will continue to use the virus as long as they see fit. no, it will always be here, but no more 'pandemic' no more over reporting on it, no more drama. that's what 'disappear' means. just like isis. never heard another word about isis after Obama.

learn something new every day. you know, I am inclined to believe you (That would be because of your MOSTLY respectful arguments). I wasn't at first because my grandparents would be in the fields not on a computer, but each to his own. I thank you for your arduous service on imgflip.

"I don't trust studies, or words from biased parties such as people in political standing."

Some studies are certainly without merit but that doesn't mean all of them are not. Most people have a political bias, but generally speaking that doesn't mean you shouldn't trust anyone with a political bias. You certainly shouldn't trust someone with a biased idea of an outcome who claims "the virus isn't that deadly" or "it's the deadliest virus known to man" who've not even conducted a study or read one.

Much as your sources have probably not.

"you and everyone else can tell me whatever you want, but that won't change what I saw."

May I ask what level of education you've received? I'll happily volunteer my own. Bachelor in Science and Education with a minor in Mathematics. Worked as a teacher and a researcher for several years. So I have my own experiences as well and know a thing or two myself about studies.

Doesn't make me always right...

But doesn't make you right about this one thing either.

Now a biological one? Honey, if you think this is what biological warfare is then you would know it would be much more effective and terrifying than this. This is deadly, yes. But there is no evidence to suggest the virus is man-made. Such suggestions were debunked. I'll happily eat crow if that turns out to be true but until that is proven; then respectfully, it's horseshit.

As for Trump's impeachment, it has already happened. The House impeached him. He is impeached. Whether or not he'll be found guilty during the Senate Trial is a different thing entirely. And he very much can be tried once his term is up. It is quite common during a change of administrations of different parties for former members be put on trials for alleged crimes and misconduct. Normally these proceedings are reserved for people in his administration. Trump will be a special case since he failed to resign and circumvent these proceedings. If he tries to pardon himself for the crimes of the trial, it will basically be seen by all (or rather most) as an admission of guilt and that will effectively be the end of his political career.

There is no need to thank me. Just get your facts straight and post sources more often when you make extraordinary claims.

it was a rough definition, but not wrong. and for some reason a few people think he can still be impeached

lol that was a joke, and you made some pretty weird assumptions about me. I fully intend to go to college and get a degree in something I will never use. just like every body else. I am not an intellectual, I am religious with opinions about how my country should be run. I am a ranch girl, and having a family is my highest priority, followed closely by aviation.

highly unlikely I'll be an old maid, and I don't believe in divorce (unless I marry a disrespectful slob, which is highly unlikely for me because I command the highest respect of most men, of all ages, I have ever met); I am (this is also kinda a joke) an increasingly interesting person I believe that marriage goes beyond the bonds of death, and is one of the most important parts of God's plan. now if you are not christian that just made no sense to you.

im sorry if you take me for your average drama queen teenage girl. I am not. just because I can speak well, and care about real things doesn't make me intellectual either, it makes me an American who is aware. you can only say I am an intellectual because this is the only one of my 9 lives you've glimpsed.

I don't have to have had an education to know what I saw. and your education has nothing to do with the current topic, as covid did not exist during those college years oh so long ago. that is a very fastidious faulty appeal to authority sir. 'an education is not the filling of a vessel but the kindling of a flame' - socrates.
my grandmother agrees with me, and she was a college professor. as for my education, I am graduating high school in a week or so, then heading off to a private college on a full ride scholarship. my personal experience carries more weight than statistics. people generating statistics are after all human beings that can do and say whatever they want, because it's statistics that must always be right.

my sources were from the scientists themselves who have been shut up on social media for exposing the truth. videos made by the men themselves. it was not some crackpot news site.

debunked by who? the documents that came out of china?

smoke screen is a better word for covid, biological warfare is the vaccine. did you ever wonder, mr education, what our beloved supreme eugenicist of America, who has no medical education whatsoever, is doing in the vaccine industry?
covid is not as 'bloody' as you'd think for a ploy. it makes it all the more obvious, because if they made a real pandemic, they could not have controlled it. it's mainly political, they needed something to take the attention from the real issues. time to change that filter again.

can you give an example of any criminal activity from trump? he stepped down from office peaceably, he can no longer be impeached as he no longer holds a political office. in the event that he could have been impeached, most of the house said they were not going to.

time will tell whether or not my flames are in fact extraordinary. in root definition they are indeed 'extraordinary'. any source on the internet can be pegged as an extraordinary claim, and I am my own source. I have seen, with my almost perfect vision, things which cannot in ant demented universe, line up with what mainstream media is telling us. im sorry, but the world is not as innocent as it was. times are changing, have changed. the world is dying, and I and my fellow Juris Naturalists are going with it.

No, but your education gives you a foundation in understanding the evidence presented. It is not a catch all, certainly, but it fits that your education is at least highschool level. Especially with the evidence you've presented me in your argument.

Which is none at all.

It was debunked by a wide range of trusted experts both in the intelligence community and the medical community. Not just in the US but in many countries.

I'm not stating Trump is a criminal, I'm merely stating a fact. He has now been impeached twice. On January 13th, the House voted to impeach him and the articles of impeachment passed. With every House Democrat voting to do so, along with ten House Republicans.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-impeaches-president-trump-second-time

The Senate trial over whether or not the now former president will receive any charges at all is expected to begin soon. So, you're purely uninformed due to your statements in regards to Trump's second impeachment. There is no shame in this. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

If you have any interest in journalism, or indeed any job that requires a college education, you will need much more than yourself as your own source to get anywhere.

'at least' is a pretty good description since all my educators agree I am wasting my talent in high school.

evidence I had, but can no longer find. evidence from reliable sources that have been shut down.

many 'trusted experts' are saying the opposite thing but are being silenced. I don't care what country they are in, the US is involved in too many countries for that to even matter.

if you are not suggesting that trump is a criminal, what are you suggesting? an impeachment is removal from office. trump was in office until the last day, he can no longer be impeached. how we even started talking about this is a mystery.
I am known for having no shame whatsoever.

yes yes, we all love those journalists. I do not have any desire to be a journalist. People seem to think that news stories created by journalists are acceptable sources. I do not. journalists are human beings. I am a human being. and just like a journalist I am capable of surveying a situation and interpreting it. when I have personally witnessed someone die in a car crash, of cancer, or not at all, and still be called a covid death; I don't need anything but my own experience. it's all someones experience, but it's up to you whose account you believe; a girl who has nothing to gain, nothing to lose? or a government who has everything to lose and power to gain?
now one of my goals in college is an MRS Degree, which I will continue to study through out the rest of my life. it does not require anything but myself. My job will probably have nothing to do with my college education either. I am not the pencil pusher type. I am more of a blue collar. if you would like me to lay out my life plan, just say so.

No, an impeachment is not removal from office otherwise Bill Clinton was not impeached nor has anyone ever been impeached by your very rough, and wrong, definition of impeachment.

I don't think there is really any need for you to lay out your life plan. Youth is wasted on the young. There is certainly nothing wrong with wanting to live a simple life but I don't think your goals are very realistic for the times. It is not unlike a person seeking to become a Knight in the Wild West. Intellectuals tend to only marry other intellectuals. There are exceptions, of course. If you intend to seek out an intellectual husband, he'll probably figure you out in no time. Unless, of course, he too becomes a college drop out.

Your future with a MRS degree will end with you either an old maid or divorced.

I, very respectfully, caution against it.

I’d like to know as well what warranted their removal as well.

"or to the people" you missed this part. The people have the right to life, liberty, and property. Those are enumerated rights. No due process was used in most of these states to deprive us of these things.

I didn't. I clearly outlined that in my original post.

As your elected governor, they reserve the power to enact GEOs. Which, is the state equivalent for "Executive Order." As Trump has signed quite a few. What is the difference between Trump signing EOs, and your governor signing GEOs?

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Yea these are local problems. If you dont like your local area, move, become active in your community as a leader, vote.

I have held positions before. I just might have to go back into politics.