Well, which is it?

I know what it means. What you seem to not understand, is what's going on and actually happening because of the push to defund the police. It isn't just about defunding police, it's about getting rid of them altogether. There are pushes for it in several cities and they aren't being quiet about it either.

The fact I have to explain that to you doesn't surprise me. But you will ignore that and spew some ignorant bullshit like you always do about all things in a country you don't even live in. That's not surprising.

Defund police = Get rid of police

Ban automatic/semi-automatic guns = Get rid of all guns.

This leap of logic is called extremism.

And yet still trying to come after all guns. The left never seem to get that semi automatic guns include handguns. So yes, they are coming for the hand guns as well.

And what do you think will happen when you defund an organization?

Well the right is coming after your healthcare

Yup, you did not research, still not surprised. It's not about getting rid of them, it's about redirecting services where police are NOT needed, cops aren't social workers, mental health workers or mediation, or the like. If you think they trying to get rid of them all together as a thing it only means you listen to trump and believe him and that stupid f**k doesn't even know what it is. These knee jerk reactions he has is tearing your country apart.

Maybe you should take a look at cities like NYC and Seattle and find out what these thugs and rioters really want and see how having no police around affects those cities.

It has nothing to do with Trump, you ignorant partisan schill.

But keep playing politics. It's both entertaining and sad.

They want no police here? You kidding?

It's not about the thugs and rioters ya mook. You've slipped down a sewer of hate, misinformation and ignorance. That's why we don't get along anymore.

That's the left for you. Can't get along when you disagree on politics.

Nothing I said was wrong. You don't like it because you can't handle facts. You believe that defunding police is a good thing because it takes money away from so called "unnecessary" parts of government spending and puts it somewhere else. When a group is underfunded ad it is, you think taking money away from them is a good thing. That's ignorant.

I bring up Seattle and NYC and you ignore it, like the typical leftist. Just ignore the facts. There's a reason NYC has an increase of over 300% in shootings. And it isn't because the cops are patrolling the streets better.

if they would just stop reporting shootings, the number would be much lower. See how simple that is to fix something?

More like don't help troubling neighborhoods and when they are ready to get help they have to abide by SAID LOCAL AND STATE LAWS regardless of the skin colors

Meanwhile defunding healthcare, education and proper resources for mental health and addiction are ok. Got it. Police state it is.

"Meanwhile defunding healthcare, education and proper resources for mental health and addiction are ok."

I don't know where you got that idea, but whatever. You'll never get it, so I'm done.

You're right, there is no defunding of those things cuz they barely exist now. Your priorities are all f**ked up

Lies all lies. It’s about demoralizing the agents of law and order. It’s all part of your traitorous agenda to send out the political
Commissars on police calls. You so want the thought police to be in place.

Reorganizing is not possible with defunding. Creating new procedures and chains of comunication between departments will cost more money. Retraining dispatchers and officers will cost money. At least at first. Reorganizing is an idea worth exploring, but it is not going to be achieved through defunding.

Yikes, your point is steeped in misinformation...

Democratic leaders literally blocked legislation that would protect the police from being defunded.

Deblasio literally cut the plain shirts division in his area... Which no surprise, led to a hike in crime... And he isn't the only one.

Don't watch this link in its entirety because you might become informed:

https://twitter.com/MarkBednar/status/1276191410023272451?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1276191410023272451%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2Fdemocrats-block-resolution-that-opposes-defunding-police-comes-as-nation-battles-riots-soaring-crime

it had nothing about choke holds and having the policemans record following them to another city, and it was all Repuggy input was not bi- partisan but you knew all that white, er right?

Soo, what you are saying is that if a black cop kneels on a white person for 8 minutes and takes their life, then
It's justice

You know, it would have been faster and easier for you to just say:

No, I didn't watch it.
No, I didn't read it.

Your point was literally: "You obviously don't understand what defund means." The bill was to protect police departments from getting COMPLETELY defunded. It also called for justice for George Floyd's family and David Dorn. Then the Democrats struck it down. So, your beliefs are nice and all, but the facts are not on your side.

In other words, your first comment is still ignorant and incorrect.

read WHY the dems didnt vote for it, not why the white repugs voted for it.

Please do tell. I tried to figure out why they didn't vote for it but like always, the MSM didn't cover it and the Dems where super hush hush about it. That's why you only have Rep feedback. I'd happily read anything you can find that is a direct quote from a Dem Senator like what I provided for you.

But hey, I already know your playbook. Ignore it because it will mean you are wrong. So let's throw more on the pile.

Your first comment is still ignorant because Minneapolis Democratic leaders are calling for (and I quote) "A complete dismantling of the organization." So again, you are still misinformed on what your side is saying when they say defund. Feel free to delete your original comment so you don't look as misinformed!

lol, sie sprechen nicht Englisch? Maybe you could try the dictionary

Wow, talk about going way over your head.

From the respect, we need both things. F**k off

I like how you post a photo of a city from a far distance as if that proves gun control works. Are you sure you aren't Manhattan? He loves doing that shit. "Oh look, here are some nice looking buildings. See how beautiful they are? That means gun control works."

That was low. Hasn't Manhattan suffered enough?
But yeah, postcard pics do not make an argument.

Again, right over your head.

It isn't just about gun incidents, which your chart is really vague on the individual incidents, it's about personal responsibility like being able to protect your family and yourself when someone threatens you. It takes an average of 5-8 minutes for police to arrive after a 911 call. It takes seconds to be shot to death. I'm not waiting on the cops to show up to decide whether or not I survive.

Bad things happen with guns, I'm not doubting that. Most mass shootings happen in gun free zones. That's also a fact. But the United States is the best country in the world when it comes to personal protection and the laws that promote it. That's also a fact.

If you really think that if the government took away all the guns, bad guys would not have guns, you're either ignorant about it, or you're knowingly and purposely trying to manipulate people to give into your agenda.

It's not just about "bad guys." It's about accidents and suicides and tense situations gone awry.

Also: it's not about "government taking away guns," since civilians can in fact own guns in Japan and South Korea.

What *is* it about?

It's about sensible gun control and a sea-change of consciousness among Americans that guns are not the answer.

You may not mean to be a dishonest person. But your presentation of "facts" is as biased as you are. Truth is not a Leftist value

We hear about gun homicides in big cities more often, probably because they have more people overall and are simply the home of major news outlets.

But as a matter of fact, gun homicide rates across the country are all over the map (no pun intended), including in some quite rural/conservative places.

Let's continue to highlight your clever dishonesty. You map has no citation where the data comes from.

The fact is fairly clear that gun violence happens most often in Democratically controlled cities

That is so stupid.

It comes from here:

https://brilliantmaps.com/us-gun-deaths/
https://wisqars.cdc.gov:8443/cdcMapFramework/mapModuleInterface.jsp

You want to talk about big cities vs. rural. The map shows that's a fallacy.

On top of that it's a distraction from the fact that, nationally, we do much worse than we should be doing. International comparisons make that more clear. I already posted a chart indicating that; here's another perspective:

"Across the country as a whole, the death rate is 10.5 people killed per 100,000 people per year. To put this in perspective this is:

175X the rate in Japan (0.06 deaths per 100,000 people per year)
40X the rate in the UK (0.26 deaths per 100k per year)
5.6X the rate in Israel (1.87 deaths per 100k per year)
4.7X the rate in Canada (2.22 deaths per 100k per year)
And is only marginally lower than Mexico (11.17 deaths per 100k per year)
So even states and regions with relatively low rates by US standards may have rates that are extremely high by international standards."

Gun rights its neccesary vaccine for totalitarisms.