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My Australian friend voted for trump while in america.

Good Aussie!

Could we at least all agree that it's a good idea to get the deceased off the active voter list?

Sure, I get it... the Dems would lose a good chunk of their base, but (in best Joe Biden voice) come on man! Dead people shouldn't be voting!

My Australian friend voted for trump while in america

Yes, I see that you've made that abundantly clear.

Was your Australian friend also dead?

We get a lot of that here in America, ya know...

Voter fraud is not out of control and my conservative friends believe that it is. The research does not back your claim. Prob because of fox news winding people up with there version of fake news (f**k cnn by the way and I do like tucker Carlson) from the research I have seen the largest number was 10,000 votes but the last election around 140 million people voted, 10,000 is nothing in the big picture especially if many of the fraud votes are for republicans. If you have evidence that I’m wrong please let me know.

Cheers buddy

What research are you referring to, most democrat states refuse to release their voter rolls for scrutiny.

I dont know but ben shapiro talked about the research i dont thnk he would pull that number from his butt
why would you assume that voter fraud only goes one directon anyway people do the wrong with all the time regardless of there politics

"I dont know" ok made up research time. "Why would I assume that voter fraud goes just one way?" I don't but I do know the most famous cases of it are all on behalf of the Democrat Party The Rizzo machine(Philly), The Kennedys (Boston), The Daily machine (Chicago), "The Night Of the living dead" Ill, The Four Corner Gang in Missouri and Patty Murray vs Rossi in King County.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

this it the link to many studies i hope these facts dont hurt your feelings too much

Enjoy :)

Lets see there's a link to a Washington Post article that swears fraud does not occur but sights no source, another link to a article that swears that all voter fraud is actually clerical error (ie Bernie voted for Ethel in error), a dead link that goes nowhere, and not one study for Calf,Ill,or New York state because they refuse to allow their voter rolls to be indexed against SSN records.

there is over 30 papers dubuking voter fraud having any impact on election results and its still not good enough for you

im out

Why dont you take a look at Judicial Watch?
Then come back and say there is nothing to back up widespread voter fraud across states and in individual counties.
Remember it is dead people voting, multiple voting, multi state voting as well as fake votes. And it has been predominatly Democrat counties where more votes are recieved than people living in the county.
You dont need to come back and tell, just take a look.

Whichever way voter fraud is going, it is happening. The point is not whether its 100 votes or 40000. If it makes the difference between a candidate winning and losing then its unacceptable.

My Australian friend voted for trump while in america

Yes, I think ID should be provided.

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Well in some states (most actually) they do in fact require some form of ID to vote https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx

But either way, it’s just not cash money to impose a de facto poll tax just because you think there are systemic and widespread flaws with the voter rolls they maintain on-site at the polling places

Which there ain’t, chief

And voting illegally is a federal crime

Just no evidence illegal immigrants or anyone else for that matter are lining up to take that kind of personal risk out of the vanishingly small likelihood it would actually impact an election

Still waiting for any proof that 3 million illegal immigrants and/or dead people voted Democrat in the last election (still one of Trump’s all-time greatest whoppers, and he’s made plenty)

Owning a firearm is a constitutional right, yet I still have to present ID in order to purchase one.

Let’s try and be consistent here. If you demand that one constitutional right requires an ID to use, then it makes sense that it should be required for all constitutional rights. The vast majority of people have Drivers licenses and state IDs already. And getting an ID is not that hard. I live in a state with Voter ID laws, all I have to do is show my Drivers license and I can vote. It’s really not that hard. Unless you think so little of (let’s face it, you’re talking about black and brown) people that they can’t do something so simple like getting an ID, I can’t see any other answer and it shows what you really think about them.

I've said nothing about "black" or "brown" people here. Although it should be said that an ID requirement can in fact be a barrier for poor folks of any race and, especially, the homeless. And when it comes to voting, we can't only concern ourselves with "the vast majority." We have to think about everybody.

It's a redundant requirement with the voter registration process, and it just adds another hassle on voting day for everyone: rich or poor, white or minority.

Now: if all jurisdictions with Photo ID requirements made Photo ID's free, then that would be better, but it'd still be an unnecessary barrier in my view. (Personally, I'm rich enough to afford a Drivers' license, but I've misplaced it before, and sometimes it takes awhile to get into the DMV for a new one)

When it comes to firearms, there are good reasons to regulate them, and the Second Amendment says we can. Voting is not inherently dangerous, however, and should be regulated *only* to the extent required to ensure a fair and accurate vote and no more.

That's why I keep insisting on real evidence of either widespread voter fraud, or that voter ID laws would actually counter it if it was occurring. Example: If polling stations are literally just stuffing the ballot boxes for one party or the other, then voter ID would do nothing to stop that.

We have the voter registration process and laws making voting fraud a federal felony.

“Although it should be said that an ID requirement can in fact be a barrier for poor folks of any race... ...we can't only concern ourselves with "the vast majority." We have to think about everybody. It's a redundant requirement... ...made Photo ID's free, then that would be better, but it'd still be an unnecessary barrier in my view”

Getting an ID is not hard. Anybody with a birth certificate, a SSN, and 30 bucks can get one which every American citizen has access to. Having to prove you are who you say you are is not a redundant requirement, it’s a safeguard to protect our elections especially. Plus with all the hullabaloo your side is raising over “Russian interference”, I would think y’all would want a safeguard to protect election integrity. But muh POCs, I guess.

“When it comes to firearms, there are good reasons to regulate them, and the Second Amendment says we can”

According to whose definition, yours? I don’t think so. Regulation back in the days of the Founding Fathers was knowing how to use and take care of your weapon. Just because the word changed doesn’t mean their intentions did as well.

“Voting is not inherently dangerous, however”

Unless it’s what gets Trump in power, and then it’s Nazi Germany reborn.

“and should be regulated *only* to the extent required to ensure a fair and accurate vote and no more”

Exactly, like a voter ID requirement. One ballot per ID. As fair and accurate as it gets.

1. Obtaining an ID may be trivial for you and me, but not others. And all of us are capable of misplacing or forgetting our IDs on Election Day.

2. Any Russian/Ukraine election interference can be laid squarely at the feet of Trump and his team, not average voters.

3. 2nd Amendment: My views are drawn directly from the U.S. Supreme Court’s line of cases, which have only very rarely struck down gun restrictions. See: D.C. v. Heller (2008) (striking down handgun ban), a landmark case but an exception to the rule. For a more typical case, see U.S. v. Miller (1939) (upholding restrictions on short-barreled shotguns).

4. The Voter ID requirement is simply redundant with voter registration. Until someone shows me evidence it actually prevents fraud I will continue to regard it as essentially a poll tax.

If they are poor they have to show ID to file for benefits.