Texas just proved guns work better than gun control

Once again in Canton TX on New Years Eve - a shooter re-entered a house where he had previously threatened guests. The homeowner emptied his rifle into the man, killing him before he could carry out his threats.

Got balls? If not maybe you need to grow a pair.
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Now let's look at the number of people murdered by their own governments over the last 120 years and those numbers seem rather small. There are 70 MILLION law-abiding gun owners in the United States. Not a single NRA member has ever committed a mass shooting. ON the other hand, many of them have stopped shootings that could have become mass shootings. You people who oppose gun ownership are BRAIN DEAD. Virtually EVERY mass shooting in the United States since 1982 was committed by someone who had either registered as a Democrat or came from a so-called liberal-"progressive" background. (the Columbine shooters for example) Prior to 1982, there were very few so-called "mass shootings." Case closed,

The Columbine shooters were in Columbine High School, too young to vote or register to any party.
The rest of your shooter nonsense is bunk as well, as is your meme. If every Jewish family was armed and faced down the rest of Germany, there would have been no concentration camps because there would have been no Jews left having been exterminated by Germans with guns.

You're taking what I said completely out of context you stupid liberal f**k. I said they came from liberal-socialist families. This is a matter of fact.. a matter of public record; if you had actually done your homework. Typical stupid liberal f**k that you are.

i like how you attempt to downplay vag's arguments with name-calling and the "out of context" argument

No, you silly little shill, they came from gun-owning conseravative families, that's how they had access to guns.
Hope I didn't fhuck your adorable face too hard with that simple bit of logic, although from the way you got triggered, snowflake, looks like that wad of spunk done scalded it some.

Enjoy your hissy fit, I know I am.

If The Guard Had Wanded Those Entering There Would Be Two People Still Alive...

You keep posting that same chart, But it doesn't list the other weapons used to commit the homicides in those countries you keep bragging about. I wonder why.

Coming from a country high in that chart (4th to be exact)... Homicide rates in general are pretty low there regardless of the used method and/or weapon. You couldn't tell when watching the news as it's quite often a big fuss when homicide takes place, but that's because... it happens so little.

Ban on guns is a very important reason. Last shootout we had, was when an idiot just gave a gun license to a person who should never had a gun, and well if you don't uphold a law it always fails... Measures have been taken to never let that happen again. Also that shootout only had 6 kills (don't know if that was including the shooter himself who shot himself afterward), and why? Because nobody tried to play a hero thinking they could take him on, although I am to understand that a few got killed to prevent others from being killed. In stead people hid or ran away and called for qualified people to handle the situation.

There is more than just that though. The Netherlands has apart from a ban on guns, also a system called "TBS". People who commit any sort of crime due to psychiatric reasons, are often forced by the judge to go to a TBS institute for therapy. This is NOT a punishment (mostly they serve that out in jail first), but only therapy to deal with your issues, to prevent you do this again. Point in this is also, when you don't have weapons the temptation to use them also isn't there.. This also plays a role here. When it comes to TBS I can only speak about the Dutch situation, as not all countries have a similar system.

Also no death row. Death row can do more harm than good. People on the run out of fear for an execution literally fear for their lives, and somebody who fears for their life can also become very dangerous. If such a person can freely obtain a gun it's a 1+1 situation.

Although cops carry a gun, weapon stick and some of them tasers, they are instructed to never use those weapons unless there is no other option. Using a gun can cause a suspect to do crazy things, so that's why a cop may only use their weapons as the ultimate last resort.

Now you can never rule out homicide for 100%.. that's an illusion, but the more violence you try to use against it, the more you get back. When you are not connected to criminal networks, you mostly don't have to fear being murdered here.

Here's a chart that answers the basic question you're asking -- comparing overall murder rates *regardless* of weapon used.

The U.S. has a murder rate approximately 3-5x higher than these other rich-world countries. Whatever implements they're using to commit murder over there, they're not doing it as much as here. Why? Because guns make it easier to murder.

That last paragraph makes quite a leap. You've shown a possible correlation. You have not shown causation.

A chart uploaded by opinion site 538, with stats put forth by the UNODC, which is in bed with the government of Qatar. So if we want real and unbiased facts about violence going on in the world, then the comrades and business investors for Qatar should be the first people to ask! Yep, that level of integrity is one you don't see much outside of asking Wendy's for an impartial rating of a Whopper or Big Mac, lol.

Now look at the number of people murdered by their own governments over the last 120 years and those numbers seem rather small.

And for good measure, this chart proves up my theory. The U.S. has a higher murder rate than these other countries precisely because so many of those murders were committed with firearms.

Proof you are retarded. You have a theory based on the fear of inanimate objects coupled with years of indoctrination. Theories are not fact.

I have presented facts and drawn conclusions. That is not indoctrination. That is me using my brain.

A moment ago you said a theory, Now you're saying your theory is a fact. You really are retarded.

I’ve called it a theory, I’ve called it a conclusion. Any distinction you are trying to draw between those terms is unimportant.

My theory, conclusion, or whatever is based on data as presented in my charts.

Your theory is as retarded as you are. Anything you say is unimportant because your retarded theory isn't based on fact. It's based on your fear of inanimate objects and your desire to take away a persons right to defend themselves against criminals you think obey the law.

Your charts are skewed to fit your lying narrative.
You're so pathetic you can't even stand by your own theory, conclusion, or whatever because it isn't backed up with facts, Just your retarded way of thinking.

I guess this is a hopeless case, KylieFan... When numbers are called "indoctrination" we've sunk pretty low and then you know you are in discussion with people who simply are not willing to listen to reason... Of course numbers alone never tell the whole truth (I must give 'em that), but sometimes they do strongly imply something, don't they? I also need to add that the weapon ban in many countries is not limited to guns. Swords are also not allowed (except decoration swords which cannot be used for combat anyway, and vendors must explicitly note that the swords are not usable for that). And some stabbing weapons (like a butterfly knife and a stilletto for example) are also banned, also this weapon ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Teleskopschlagstock.jpg/250px-Teleskopschlagstock.jpg ) (I don't know what the English name is) is also banned in the Netherlands and you can't even get a license for it. So to make the picture complete the laws forbidding weapons are including but not limited to firearms/guns.
Although I must note that laws can differ per country, as one country outlaws a weapon an other can still allow. Guns are forbidden in most countries, but almost never limited to only that, mostly a lot of other weapons are banned as well. Perhaps that also busts the theory that banning weapons would only lead to more stabbings or that kind of of stuff, as the objects most usable for that are quite often also banned. Now I'll have to look up a full list of what is banned and what not.

I've looked up the punishment for owning banned weapons without a license. This varies to a fine of 45K euros fine to 4 years in jail in the Netherlands. Don't know how other countries handle it.

Also (and this will also be a kind of a killer argument), there's more than the ban on guns. One of your charts showed more killings among the black than on the white. The circumstances the black live in (thanks to racism) are often worse in the US. The Netherlands combines capitalism with communism, meaning that a free market must exist, but in the same time social systems are in place and even active fighting against poverty. If you live in better circumstances you are lesser likely to resort to crime and also lesser likely to resort to violence... But I guess now I said something REALLY heretical... even more heretical than pleading to outlaw weapons... 🤣

Just to prove you don't care about homicide victims, Only your lying narrative.

Japan's murder rate is less than 5x that of the U.S. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-japans-murder-rate-is-so-low-2014-4

There haven't been enough mass stabbings to change that. And what's deadlier: Mass stabbings or mass shootings?

dead is dead, it doesn't make any difference whether it was done by a knife or a gun.. usually I just disagree with you but you at least remain coherent.. this time your argument is just plain stupid

Of course I agree with that, don’t be silly.

But the fact is guns are used to kill people more than any other possible tool of murder.

And the lower homicide rates of other rich-world countries shows that when you ban guns, criminals don’t take up other, non-firearm murder weapons at nearly the same rate.

It’s a very simple argument really.

Switzerland.

Switzerland does a lot better than the U.S. but not as well as other countries on this.

The absolute lowest murder rate in that entire chart you've just posted is in Switzerland, which has more guns than any other country on that chart other than the US. Guns are not the problem, thanks for proving my point.

Switzerland was the lowest murder rate on that map, but there are countries that are lower still.

Switzerland is an interesting case and admittedly cuts against what I’m arguing, but it’s just one country. All the others help prove my point — especially Japan.

Along with the pesky fact that in the U.S., murder rates are incredibly high and most of those are committed with guns.

why don't you check their homicide rate in general instead of trying to skew the data to fit your point. You say that more guns = more murder... yet you post a chart that only proves that more guns = more gun related murders. Try a little more honesty.

You asked, I provided! I know I've posted this somewhere else before, but here it is again.

The *overall* murder rate (regardless of weapon used) in the U.S. is about 3-5x that of comparably rich and well-governed countries.

If you succeed in banning guns, you had better hope no one discovers the internet. Or a public library.

Japans murder rate is not 5xs less than America. You're a liar. You're link is 6 years old.
Facts matter not your bullshit links

There haven't been enough mass stabbings to change that.
How many murders does Japan need to prove you're an idiot.

What's deadlier: Mass stabbings or mass shootings?
Stand on the victims and ask them which way they preferred to die, Show the victims your bullshit charts, It will ease their pain of being dead.

Not to mention all the violent, non-gun related crimes committed in China. Stabbings, bludgeonings and infanticide happens a lot in that part of the world.

I expected you to attack this source, so I provided another above: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

Trends have not changed in the past 6 years. Japan is still far safer. And gun violence in the U.S. has actually seen an uptick since then, so Japan is probably even safer compared to the U.S. than 6 years ago.

If you can cite me *anything* that shows citizens are more likely to be murdered in Japan than the U.S. then you may have an argument.

I care about the victims; you do not.

The gun free zone sign must have been defective.

You should post this one.

All out of posts for today, Gone all weekend.
Feel free to take it if you think it will get votes. I'd wait until Tomorrow morning. Conservative Memes get more views between 7-10 am.,While liberals are struggling to cope with another day of Trump being their President.

Hahaha, Alright I might elaborate on it if i do repost, thanks
Have a good weekend.

"Gun free zones" are a fiction. They are just signs unless enforced by security. They don't work because we don't have gun control: Real gun control.

Gun free zones" are a fiction. But you libtards said it would work.
I can cite thousands of examples I know you'll ignore.

We don't have liberalism control, Real liberalism control.

They're a band-aid on a festering wound. The intention is good, but absent real laws or enforcement they're toothless. The idea that their ineffectiveness is persuasive evidence against comprehensive, systematic, effective gun control is laughable.

To see the benefits of real gun control, just look at the homicide rates of any other rich-world country that does it.

Your brain is suffering from a festering wound known as liberalism.

I've looked at the homicide rates of any other rich-world country that have banned guns. Their stabbing rates are 10xs higher than Americas.

Come on, Retard. Let's try my 5th suggestion, If it doesn't work I promise to stand on victims corpses with you as you pretend you care.

My plan is easy. It's easy to spot you retards. You're the ones trying to take away everyone's rights.

You're repeating the same debunked talking point. I'm shocked.

You're repeating the same debunked talking point. I'm shocked.

Don't go away mad, Just go away.

You haven’t debunked shit lol you just keep getting more and more upset.

Here’s a hint: find a rich-world country *with* gun control *and* higher murder rates

But even then it’d only be one country and there are still dozens of counter-examples that prove my point

Awe, Your puny brain is overheating. You're stuck in retarded repeat mode.

I know what will fix you.
Post another 6 year old chart no one believes

In response to your red comment below:
Gun free zones ARE backed by law, it IS illegal to have a gun there unless it is carried by law enforcement.
But as criminal is defined, criminals don't care about laws, including gun free zone laws.

Keep posting those biased links.

"Gun free zones" are a fiction. They are just signs unless enforced by security. They don't work because we don't have gun control: Real gun control.

Come on retard... Respond to my proposals. Especially #5.

Your talking point has been debunked, Don't believe me? Copy and paste it to any liberal site.. Get screenshots of all your support . Come back to Imgflip and post them. LMFAO

You're repeating the same debunked talking point. I'm shocked.

You're repeating the same debunked talking point. I'm shocked.

You're repeating the same debunked talking point. I'm shocked.

Gun free zones" are a fiction. But you libtards said it would work.
I can cite thousands of examples I know you'll ignore

We don't have liberalism control, Real liberalism control.

They're a band-aid on a festering wound. The intention is good, but absent real laws or enforcement they're toothless. The idea that their ineffectiveness is persuasive evidence against comprehensive, systematic, effective gun control is laughable.

To see the benefits of real gun control, just look at the homicide rates of any other rich-world country that does it.

Multiple citizens of Japan will be murdered in Japan in 2020... That's a fact.
Proving you don't care about murder victims. Only the way they are murdered.

Typical arrogant fool. Thinking you get to determine when I win the argument.
You really are retarded

I never said they didn't. Only that far fewer are murdered per capita each year in Japan than in America. And the reasons why can be deduced from the graphs I've posted, unless you have a better theory.

I care about victims. I want to get our murder rates down to Japan's, or at least Canada's (large, culturally and geographically similar neighboring country). That would save lives.

I've posited one way of doing that is restricting access to guns. So far you haven't proposed anything.

I have made a proposal that is guaranteed to work.
Ban liberalism.

Here are more proposals.

1: Execute murderers.
2: Vote out Democrats.
3:Let every American citizen arm themselves if they chose.
4:Build a wall around liberal controlled Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, New York and California.
5; Move the citizens who believe they have the right to defend themselves out of the liberal infested hell holes, And move you retards in so you can show the murderers your charts. You know your charts will work,You keep posting them and say they are factual.

Everyone of my suggestions will work, Especially #5

Pack your shit up and move your stupid ass to Japan. Or at least Canada. There is absolutely no one stopping your lying worthless crybaby ass from leaving scary gun toting America. You won't

You're one of those retards that think America will crumble without you.

Data... AmiRight?

Your source is 6 years old dumbass
There are still homicides in Japan you fool.

You're a liar. You don't care about the victims, Only the weapon that killed them.
You've proven that multiple times.
Keep babbling like an idiot, All you are proving it what an idiot you are.

I don't wish death on anyone, But i sincerely hope you get stabbed to death. It will prove you are wrong and save countless lives.

I cited you a more recent source, and you ignored it.

I never said there were no victims of homicide in Japan. You haven't cited *any* source of *any* age that shows the U.S. is safer for victims of homicide than Japan.

You won't because you can't.

You've devolved to wishing death on me in the hopes that it will prove whatever point you think you have. And that, my friends, is cringe.

Your ideology is why this victim is a victim, Instead of a survivor.
Be proud.

I may have already posted this already in this sprawling thread, but here you go again.

14,000 murdered by guns in the U.S. every year disagree with your sanctimonious post.

You have no idea if this guy would have been shot, stabbed, had been carrying a gun, or successfully defended himself whatever the state of the law was. You are basically making shit up.

You cited outdated sources.

I never said America was safer, Dumbass, I said murderers didn't obey the law. I said murderers will use knives to kill unarmed victims. Both statements are 100% verifiable facts.

You don't care about facts because they destroy your lying narrative.

I do wish a stabbing death upon you. Your ideology endangers law abiding citizens right to defend themselves. I'm not your friend, You're a sanctimonious fool standing on the corpses of victims to spread fear and lies. That is cringe.

I don't care what you want or what you wish for. Shed your fear of guns that needs a murderer to pull the trigger.

Your sources are bullshit, You've posted outdated biased sources, Blamed poverty when it was convent destroying your credibility and your narrative

Keep posting about the number of victims in Japan. No matter how hard you try, Japan has murder victims. Even though guns are banned.

What your biased data doesn't show is how many morons like you live in Japan.
Your data doesn't account for how many judges free criminals in Japan.
Morons like you blame the guns and free murderers. Japan punishes murderers sending a message to other would be murderers.

Since you live in the U.S., You are far likelier to die of being shot than stabbed. Yep, If you live in a city that has taken away your right to defend yourself against a murder who ignored your idiotic gun laws.
You'll be dead, But don't worry, Another retard like you will stand on your corpse pretending they give a damn about you. So you have that going for ya.

I know how you can be safe... Move to Chicago. They have strict gun laws, There's hardly any shootings there. I can even suggest specific neighborhoods for you to live in.

Gun deaths by geographical location -- ooh boy! Another fun metric to debate!

See graph here. The data are are kind of surprising, I can't think of a great explanation for why gun deaths would be higher in the South, Appalachia, or Mountain West. However, what this does clearly show is that the rate of gun-related homicides is plenty high in many rural counties. For a particularly instructive example, just look at all of Alaska.

If you wanted to get even more detailed, you could probably map this on a chart of income per county, and show a correlation between poverty and gun crime which I posited earlier. And which you are implicitly acknowledging as well with your invocation of inner-city crime.

Local gun bans are largely toothless. Guns can be imported across state lines and certainly municipality lines, as neither are policed. If we were truly serious about reducing gun deaths, we would implement a comprehensive, nationwide, and aggressive gun ban. Like the other countries did. Instead, we will likely continue to sit around and watch more of our citizens be shot and die every year.

Again, you keep attacking my sources, but you haven't posted any at all except a misleading headline about stabbings in Japan.

Responding to your chart below...

You are making the same point over and over, but it is one of correlation. You have assumed that gun ownership is the cause, but have not proven it.

I agree that local bans are useless, but mostly because gun laws are not enforced. Until everyone is in agreement a gun ban will be ineffective. It would take 100 years to show results, because banning guns does not collect them. And, though a talking point, it is also true that criminals by definition don't obey laws, so would not obey a gun ban.

The idea that what works in other countries will work here is an unproven assumption. All other other things being equal -- but they are not.

Ask those who have been shot and stabbed.

Again, while you have shown charts that suggest the US is more violent, you have not proven causation.

You should. They’re called GANGS and CRIMINALS BEING CRIMINALS UPAND USING ILLEGALLY POSSESSED FIREARMS.

Hm what is that secret... Well, this is also back in 2010.

No Democrat party.
No black gangs.
And I don't think these countries we're importing waves upon waves of 3rd world immigrants at the time either.

Assuming this chart is even true.

His chart is from The WashingtonCompost, When I showed him a chart on homicides around the world where America ranks 185th of 230 Countries, KylieFan moved the goalposts and blamed poverty. In America guns kill people, In 184 other countries it's poverty's fault.

KylieFan doesn't care about the victims, KylieFan cares about his/her/it's narrative.

No. The countries I used as a comparison are equivalently rich and well-governed as the United States. You're trying to compare us to the rest of the world. It makes no sense to compare ourselves to El Salvador, the Congo, or wherever. If we were as bad on murder as those countries, that would be truly abysmal.

I never moved any goalposts. I've been consistent about the proper countries to use as a comparison in every debate I've had on this.

You used other countries to move the goalposts and blame homicides on lack of wealth when your gun narrative crumbled.

You keep using the same Washington Compost chart that lists gun related deaths, Ignoring the fact countries listed on your chart have higher homicide rates than America ,by murderers using a different inanimate object.

Keep standing on the corpses of unarmed murder victims as you push your lies.

What you circled there is exactly *consistent* what I said above. Overall societal wealth levels are relevant. Why? Rich countries mean better rule-of-law and fewer reasons to resort to crime. That's why I picked rich countries for my country comparison.

"Ignoring the fact countries listed on your chart have higher homicide rates than America ,by murderers using a different inanimate object."

Those other countries have 3-5x lower homicide rates overall when you take all weapons into account. See my chart below. Here it is again.

What you keep saying is consistent with retarded people who think criminals obey laws.

You are definitely retarded if you think criminals obey laws and murderers will stop murdering people if you disarm their victims.

Somehow the criminals in those other countries get by doing their law-breaky stuff without killing as many people.

Why? Less access to guns.

Yeah..Somehow the criminals in those other countries get by doing their law-breaky stuff without killing as many people.

Why? Because knives are just as effective at murdering people when they have less access to guns.

So once again it isn't about the victims you pretend you care about, It's the inanimate object that matters to you.

Posting that same headline I debunked below.

Japan's murder rate is less than 5x that of the U.S. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-japans-murder-rate-is-so-low-2014-4

And here's another source in case you have a problem with that first one, which shows Japan's murder/intentional homicide rate is lower than the U.S. by anywhere from 10x to 25x depending on how exactly you define it. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

Murder is murder you fool. Victims don't care how they were murdered.
THEY ARE DEAD.

You debunked nothing.

You're an idiot. Stay terrified of those inanimate objects

I agree with you! Murder is murder!

And Japan and other rich-world countries have 5x less of it! Why? Gun bans!

Japan has fewer gun related deaths, And a higher rate of stabbing deaths. Why? Because knives are just as effective for murderers at killing when guns are banned.
Proving murderers will kill when guns are banned. Disarming victims does nothing to stop murderers.

You're an idiot.

But the data simply doesn't show that criminals in countries where guns are banned pick up knives, hammers, or whatever and kill with as great frequency.

You're also overlooking other ways to die by guns, such as accidental shootings and other deaths caused by "non-criminal" behavior. Far easier to kill someone else or yourself accidentally with a gun than a knife.

I'm not afraid and I don't feel particularly at-risk. I just want fewer people to get shot and die.

All rich-world countries have criminals, but none of them have gun homicide rates even close to as high as ours. And there's a simple reason for that. Because we have more guns.

Actually the Swiss DO have a TON of guns, yet their murder rate is very low(0.5 iirc). It has to do with gang violence and lack of gun safety training and responsibility, NOT the guns themselves. But I never hear the left proposing that gun safety courses become mandatory for EVERYONE(not just gun owners) nor do I hear them trying to tackle the gang problem. They blame guns and only guns while ignoring the people pulling the trigger. In fact, the left tends to push for more lenient sentences for those committing the crimes.

Again. You have demonstrated the difference is homicide rates and gun deaths. You have not proven that it is due to inceased gun access.

Gee I wonder if we can get a similar chart for similar wealth countries that show rates of death by vehicular homicide....