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An excellent point - theocracy. The higher up your authority, the greater the punishments for sin. Religious people should punish themselves for sin, not others.

They only punish certain others, the poor. When it comes to those in power over them, they just weasel around and say "God will punish them".

Great meme!

Dear Regular Feller, Great Meme! -v

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Latest poll shows 42% are unsure. Everyone should be unsure, but we aren't there as a country anymore. Guilt and political affiliation are synonymous terms now.

Even if it weren't such a tremendous Shakespearean tragedy, this is not a trial. They didn't even have to let her testify. No evidence will be allowed. No wittnesses to the attack will be allowed. It's not a trial.

This is only to determine his character. In a court trial he would not be confirmed because there was a credible witness that testified as to his predatory character.

I'm curious about something, if you don't mind. If the witness against him had been a white republican male would you still want him confirmed? Not being facetious. Honestly, curious. Please don't attack. I couldn't care less either way. He was always going to be confirmed. I'm trying to figure out what it would take for people to vote against corruption in "their" political party. I personally think both parties are equally corrupt.

You're right. It's not a trial, but the presumption of innocence is a concept that pervades the American psyche in just about all aspects, from businesses, to courtrooms. And that is where I fall; on the principle of "innocent until proven guilty." My wife, my daughter and women I grew up with have all suffered rape, and in a similar circumstance that Mrs. Ford did, so I sympathize with her. I also no a woman that falsely accused a man for rape for no other reason than she was upset at his rejection of her. I remember as a stripper here in NC claimed to be gangraped by the Duke Lacrosse team, a claim that was utterly destroyed in court. But their lives were turned upside down. And she is currently in jail for other charges. I really do as far as what she claims happened. But I have to think about my boys, their future sons and daughters, as well as myself. I have to ask myself, "Would I want to live in a country that allows unsubstantiated claims to determine a person's guilt?" The darkness of human nature forces me to concede that people do horrific things. It also forces me to be honest about the fact that people lie. The protection America has built into it's judicial system and into its core philosophy of justice is this one principle of "innocent until 'proven' guilty."

Ford didn't meet that burden of proof. She made an accusation that was unsubstantiated and full of holes. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, but we as a nation should be honest and admit that there is nothing that proves it did happen either. That being said, I would welcome any investigation that took place after these proceedings and the outcome of it, whether it results in a more solidified case against Kavanaugh, or his exoneration of all charges. To stop this process would do exactly what the Democrats who exploited this woman wanted, and that would be to delay the nomination until they could hopefully gain control of the Senate in the mid-terms. Once that happens, they could block any nomination, which is their goal until 2020.

The women in my family, and myself are staunch supporters of the #metoo movement. Yesterday, we saw a woman's plea politicized by the Democrats, deliberately silenced until just the right time to have the most impact on the elections, not her plight for justice. It made me cringe, because I know that the movement will suffer for it.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply. All the political games aside, do you realize you just chose your son's rights over your daughter's safety? That's the problem, not democrats or republicans. This isn't about politics. This is about the right for women to be seen as equals.

Here's a senerio to think about. Your son is raped. He has just been through a traumatic experience that murdered who ever he was going to be. Let me reiterate that! You son is now dead. He is now just a broken shell of who he was before the rape. He will never have a day where that attack isn't at the forefront of his thoughts. It will probably be the last thought he has on his death bed. It never goes away or gets easier to deal with.

He goes to the police to report his rape. Several different women Police officers spend several hours calling him a liar and humiliating him by making him relive the rape over and over again so they can determine if they even believe him. If they don't believe him he's told to leave. If they do believe him he's taken to a room where some nurses, male, go over his body, literally, with a fine tooth comb, looking for pubic hairs or secretions left by the ALLEGED rapist. Then the nurses insert instruments inside of his already raped body to exam and remove any semen the rapist left. After hours of degradation and humiliation your son is told he can go home and handed a card for a rape councillor if he feels like hey might need help recovering.

Months of retelling the tale of his attack and pointless court appearances because the ACCUSED is playing the system to his advantage. If your son is lucky he will get a chance to testify in front of a court room full of the ACCUSEDs friends and family. Your son will be attacked by the prosecutor. He will be harrassed in hopes that they'll catch him lying, while the man that raped him sits there laughing.

Odds are against your son that he will win but if he does the ACCUSED will probably only get a two to three year sentence that he will be allowed out of for good behavior in a year. He's free and you don't know where he is.

Are you still concerned about the rapists rights? Your son could be lying. That guy might have just rejected your son's advances. There's no evidence that proves either side.

I agree 100% that falsely accusing someone should be punished by law. Just giving a different perspective.

Well, I've had to watch what you describe so I'm familiar with the feeling. But even my daughter recognizes the need for proof. My wife was gangraped when she was 14, and no one has believed her to this day, but she wouldn't want anyone to have the ability to just throw a claim out there like that without evidence. I didn't chose my son's rights over my daughter's safety. I choose any American's rights, male of female, to a fair trial. There's no such thing as perfect justice, but if the presumption of innocence is abandoned, there will be unsubstantiated allegations being made across the board, not just for rape. The system would be overloaded with cases that have no proof, and the rights of the many will have been forfeited to the needs of a few. That is a worse scenario to me. I live with injustice and I don't want to see it spread, by allowing people the freedom to destroy lives with nothing other than an accusation. I could also imagine my daughter of being accused of molesting a boy in a nursery she works at, by an angry mom. I wouldn't want that angry mom's word to be all that was necessary to have my daughter locked up, or fired, but that seems to be the world some would prefer, politics aside. I'm just not one of them.

I agree 100% in a court of law you must be able to prove guilt by a perponderance of the evidence. It seems more humaun to assume innocence over guilt but not all countries follow that rule. Some presume guilt and prove innocence. Either way false accusations only make it harder for victims of actual crimes. I'm not disagreeing with you at all about that.

A Supreme Court Justice must be held to the highest standards. Every accusation should be taken seriously, even the last minute ones, if we are to be ruled by these judges. Every witness should testify and answer questions presented by any committee member. The committee should be sanctioned for bad decorum. There's no need to assume everyone is lying. They're all sworn in. Take all of the evidence, even though it's not a trial, and weigh it against fairly and without prejudice. Allowing democrats to attack republican nominees and Repubs attacking Democrat nominees is beneath even our elementary school children. Adults in our highest offices should never be this immature, corrupt or party compliant. They work for the people paying their over indulgent salaries not the super rich.

This man has shadows even if these shadows aren't true. That's reason enough to drop him like a hot pocket and nominate the next guy. You know it will be a man.

If for no other reason, he should be passed up because so many women are living in fear that he will be confirmed. There's a republican judge out there that doesn't have a questionable past, hasn't made sexist remarks and believes in the rule of law. Let's go get him. He's the one I'm waiting for.

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Well, the fact that multiple real people are coming forward with plausible accusations kind of tips the scale away from "everyone should be unsure".

Do you disagree?

Exxon has D I R E C T R U L E F R O M H Q

Awesome!

Mostly Trump wants him on the supreme court because he thinks the president is above the law.

and to a degree Society doesn't take them seriously because so many of the "Headline Stories" are Proven False

- Duke Lacrosse
- UVA/Rolling Stone
- Tawana Bradley

Well they should based on the evidence.

Rape is not funny, but the 'bonfires of the vanities' on TV is.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/26/brett-kavanaugh-two-men-say-they-had-disputed-sexual-encounter-christine-ford/1439569002/

A new twist in the "saga" Two men have been questioned by Senate staff and have submitted written testimonies that claim they, not Kavanaugh are the ones who assaulted Ford.

Perhaps you should research fall guy tactics. Since people are saying this woman is using rape tactics.

There isn't enough info available to even go down that road, but how convenient of you, to assume that two men confessing to a crime are less believable than the woman who can't remember when it happened or where. I think everyone should be heard, but I don't think any of this should be allowed to be weaponized for the express purpose of derailing a SC nominee. The motive for these accusations being released at just the right time tear away at their credibility. I'll reserve judgement on your "fall guy" theory until I see something that shows how Republicans were out searching and soliciting people to take the fall for this, you know, like how the democrats have been actively seeking women to come forward and trash this guy since the nomination.

How about proving that claim with some evidence. And I will reserve judgment on everyone’s “liberal weapon” theory too. Both liberals and conservatives are scumbag parties to me.

I don’t know Kavanaugh and didn’t have an issue with his nomination. But I refuse to get on the innocent or guilty boats until I know more about this situation. Not just crap I read/see from biased media.

Since it's not a trial they won't show us anything. Apparently they don't think the highest court should be filled with our most honorable and clearly those choosing for us have no sense of right and wrong. Tell me again, why did we vote for any of them? I'm finding it difficult to tolerate any of it.

No matter what they tell us peons, we didn’t vote anyone in. Much like the flawed electoral college, our votes are only a statistic for popularity and nothing more. As much as they preach about how our votes matter they never specify why....

True. Very true. I wish they'd tell us who they've got penciled in as our next president. Like who's in that seat actually runs the show. You're 100% correct. None of it matters. It's all just entertainment for the masses. They make us believe we've had a say when we never have. That's how a small group controls everyone else.

"We keep playing these mind games together". Since no one is in the same place at the same time it must be rather easy to manipulate us. Damn! Wish I had thought of that! Lol. (not funny but if you don't laugh... somebody gets hurt).

We should all be humiliated by every last one of them. This isn't a playground and they aren't at recess making it up as they go. They, repubs and demos, are messing with OUR lives. What all of them are doing is making all of us look like a joke. The world over people believe all Americans are like that. Everyone should be embarrassed by the entire mess. He's nominated. Vet him. Let accuser testify. Let him testify and then move on to the next guy. This man, no matter who is truthful or who is deceitful, has enough of a shadow he doesn't belong on our highest Court.

Yup. That's just about right. They're all toddlers playing with OUR lives. Government is above the law anyway.