Why the Electoral College is So Important

Why the Electoral College is So Important | POTUS TRUMP WON 2,626 COUNTIES IN THE 2016 ELECTION - HILLARY WON 487 REPRESENTING REAL AMERICANS IS WHY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS SO IMPORTA | image tagged in maga,donald trump,trump 2016,electoral college | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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i.imgflip.com/2f2wjy.gif (click to show) That is why the founders did it so the large states would not be able to push around the little ones
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Half-Life's G-Man, from the Creepy Gallery of VagabondSoufflé  | THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WAS A COMPROMISE, SINCE  THE FOUNDING  FATHERS BELIEVED THE PUBLIC WAS TOO IGNORANT TO VOTE FOR THE BEST LEADER THE PO | image tagged in half-life's g-man,from the creepy gallery of vagabondsouffl | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
You know, like a a Trump.
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9 ups, 2 replies
No, it was to prevent an ochlocracy. But to make your point, yes, it was to limit the influence of people like you — Obama Phone Lady.
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6 ups
No.

You can look it up you know - oh, that's right, you won't.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Is populist synonymous to capitalist, because capitalism is the way to go.
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What? You can look it up those words too you know.
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It was (or at least was /also/) to prevent more states from wanting to secede, by making sure they had an equal voice in government. California alone has a higher population than the 20-25 lowest populated states combined. If California dictated how the country was run they way they want to now, what incentive would those states have to remain part of the country?

It would have led to more civil wars in the nation's history.
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2 ups, 1 reply
No, it was not to prevent that.
Please look up basic history before mangling it.
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"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. ... The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power." I looked it up, and found this from history central, tyrants could be from both sides, however, Trump is not one.
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So what I said only how many times on this thread then?

Both sides? What both sides?

As much as Trump has been trying, he isn't a full tyrant quite yet.
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3 ups, 1 reply
If this map is true it would explain why it costs 1100.00 a month just to rent a studio in long beach, ca lol
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I can attest to that from experience...actually, scratch that, I had a two bedroom for 1050. But it wasn't in the best part of town (near the corner of PCH and Obispo, down the street from the really big traffic circle)
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Saint Petersburg is Monarchist Gang confirmed
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t. Someone who's never been to Saint Petersburg
Unlike Moscow, there's heavy Tsarist influences in Saint Peters (a throwback to the times when it was the capital of Russia). You shareblue f*ggots just spam shit to bother everyone.
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So you're saying that half the country, that lives in two relatively small areas, is more important than the other half of the country, that actually occupies the largest portion of the country?

And does that population distribution include the millions of acres of farmland that grows the vegetables and animals that feed the more densely populated areas? Let me know when California can support itself on it's agricultural industry.

Actually, don't bother. It can't even support itself now.
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California is the world's fifth largest economy, even bigger than the UK. It can survive just fine without the rest of the US.
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0 ups, 1 reply
That's just where all the idiot city slickers live.
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Sad.
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So you're implying that half of Americans are dirt? The folks who lived cooped up together in congested cities are the only ones whose opinions matter? The President represents both the people and the states' equal sovereignty.
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Gotta admit that took me a moment to realize what that picture was. smh
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4 ups, 3 replies
Also, the real Americans are people who vote Republican. Doesn't matter if you were born in America or not; you have to vote Republican to really be an American.
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Finally, someone who gets it! :)
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So wanting higher wages, better social safety nets, reasonable gun control, less gender/racial discrimination, regulations on mega corporations to prevent them from screwing us over, free college, and maybe legalized marijuana somehow makes Democrats un-American?

What about Libertarians? Their economic policy is the Republican's on steroids (privatize as much as possible), but they don't care about things like marijuana unless it hurts someone other than the user.
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Someone couldn't tell that I wasn't being serious.
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how about the best of both world? LIBERALTARIAN
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"Also, the real Chinese are people who vote Communist. Doesn't matter if you were born in China or not; you have to vote Communist to really be a Chinese citizen."
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2 ups, 1 reply
I was making fun of the original user's use of "real Americans". An implication can be made that the people voting for Trump in the red areas are the "real Americans" because he spoke of the Electoral college representing "real Americans" (and Trump won via the Electoral college).
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Yeah, I just see too many people post stuff like that unironically.
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8 ups, 4 replies
You realize the counties she won were the most populated areas in the country, right? The areas Trump won are so sparcely populated, they make very little difference. With popular vote, every person gets one vote, regardless of where they are.
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6 ups, 4 replies
With popular vote, New York and Los Angeles would get to decide things for the rest of the country. The electoral college gives minorities, and sparsely populated states, more voice.
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9 ups, 3 replies
That's simply untrue. People from New York and LA have no more say than anyone else. The state and city governments don't even have a say in anything. If a person living in New York City moved to some tiny town in Wyoming, their vote would be worth the exact same, under popular vote. Everyone gets equal say, regardless of who you are or where you're from.

The Electoral College is a group of people who decide wjo the president is, regardless of what the American people want. That is, by definition, an oligarchial system.
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But even the people need to be kept in check. The country's chief Executive shouldn't be appointed by the exact same political pressure that appoints the House of Representatives.
People in rural Wyoming have different views from people in New York City. The electoral college gives them both voice.
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5 ups, 5 replies
Political pressure? This isn't a political issue. This is about our democracy. Everyone gets an equal vote... that's called democracy. Got a problem with it?

People from different states have different views, but not necessarily because they are from different states. That's just about clustering where people have similar ideologies. They'd all be getting the same say under popular vote. That's simply the most fair way of going about electing people.

Oh, and the Electoral College doesn't represent the best interests of the American people, but their own interests. Once again, very much like an oligarchy...
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3 ups, 1 reply
It's not a democracy though. It's a republic.
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Democratic republic
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Constitutional republic.
Show me where in the constitution or bill of rights it mentions the word Democrat.
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We function as a democratic republic, despite the words democratic or democracy never appearing in the Constitution.

"And the United States is therefore also a constitutional republic. Indeed, the United States might be labeled a constitutional federal representative democracy. But where one word is used, with all the oversimplification that this necessary entails, “democracy” and “republic” both work."

"A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9c25d31a3f21
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First off, why is Fernando in quotations?

Secondly, wtf do you mean by that? I don't work for people on this website. Don't really know what exactly you mean by that. It soundsa little bit like a threat, but whatever you mean, I don't respect it in the slightest.
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Democracy means the people directly make the laws, without limits to power and scope, by simple majority vote. It's an inherently dangerous system since minorities have no real protections.

The US is a republic, and in the American/Western sense, a republic is where the people are sovereign, elect representatives to make laws for them, and have certain limits on what the government can actually do vis-a-vis their rights.

>check
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What you described is one of the 2 main types of democracy, specifically direct democracy. We resemble a representative democracy/democratic republic. Please, do read the article for a more in-depth description.
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yes, I have a problem with it. pure mob rule is bullshit. The needs of people in wyoming are different than the needs of people in new york. the people in new york give 0 shits about the people in wyoming, so why would they ever vote for measures that are important to them?
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5 ups, 3 replies
Wyoming is the least populous state out of the 50. It has fewer people than even Alaska. Wyoming isn't exactly on the front of everyone's mind when it comes to big policy and spending decisions.

No offense to Wyoming.
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3 ups, 1 reply
I had to live there almost 2 years. Most depressed I have ever been in my entire life.
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4 ups, 1 reply
Eastern Colorado and southern Wyoming have the most tumbleweeds I've ever seen in this country :)
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Lol at least Colorado is more “tolerant” and I mean about several things. Of course they’re both beautiful areas for sure :)
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I like driving through western Colorado (Grand Junction) and southeastern CO (Pueblo) :)
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And that's exactly why the electoral college exists.
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But when their economy depends on resource extraction withintheir own state, the people who comprise the freak show in Southern California or New York should not be able to ochlocratically decide that they can enjoy their strawless Frappuccinos but the people in Wyoming have no work and therefore have to relocate or repeat to public assistance and thus contribute to the red state myth.
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That person has every right to where what they're wearing. Weird as it may be, everyone's different, and if they're not hurting anyone, then why do you care what they do?
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1. Where was that picture taken?
2. So one person represents an entire region?
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We're not a pure democracy. We're also governed by the rule of law. Different regions provide different issues and perspectives. People in rural areas need a voice, one that won't be drowned out by all the city folk.
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Let's say there's 50 people in a village. 40 from group A and 10 from group B. They're all voting to choose a leader. However, there are obviously fewer people in group B, so the vote might be different because of that. Should the village take away everyone's voice except for a few select people, effectively turning the village to an oligarchy, or should they accept that there will always be minorities, and therefore things will always balance one way or another?
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A simple rule by majority is akin to mob rule. The Electoral College gives attention to the best interests of regional minorities.
And when I say political pressure, I'm going into the fundamentals of political science.
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The Electoral College doesn't give attention to the best interests of regional minorities, it exists in the best interests of the electors. We don't see electors representing racial, religious, and ethnic minorities, or people from the lower or middle class. It's not what it's about. It started as a system of providing a way to elect a leader when the people didn't have access to information and were more ignorant on different candidates.

Nowadays, it's used as a way for retired politicians and party affiliates to vote for whoever they want. Tell me, should 538 rich ex-polititians decide what we should be deciding ourselves?
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a republic is not a democracy. But the Founding Fathers went to great lengths to ensure that we were a republic and not a democracy. In fact, the word democracy does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or any other of our founding documents.
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"And the United States is therefore also a constitutional republic. Indeed, the United States might be labeled a constitutional federal representative democracy. But where one word is used, with all the oversimplification that this necessary entails, “democracy” and “republic” both work."

"A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8bea1f27e765
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If we elected by popular vote, candidates who promise benefits for densely populated areas, at the expense of less populated areas, would always win.
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The irony is the more populated areas pay for the less populated areas by way of taxes.
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The irony is less populated areas feed the most populous areas by way of agriculture. :P
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6 ups, 2 replies
and the populated areas pay them for it.....so?
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And if the populated areas made laws so they don't have to pay the less populated areas for food (Because it's a right)?........... It's called Socialism and it doesn't work. See Venezuela.
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Or it's called democratic socialism (or a socialist democracy) and works very well...see basically any scandanavian country ...or any civilized Western country.

Like no taxes, less laws, less government, guns and no handouts? Go to Rawanda.
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Populated aeeas can't make laws that affect any other area. Also, that isn't what socialism is, and when done right, in theory, it can work. Needs are provided by the government, and private companies can do what they want as long as they don't hurt people while doing so.
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Yes, the more people paying taxes means the more taxes collected. Of course the densely populated areas also consume more tax money than less populated areas to build and maintain their infrastructure. It’s not like the rural parts of the country are profiting off of taxes collected from the big cities.
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No, you're flat out wrong.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/361668/
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I read it right
10 most populous states:
California
*Texas
New York
*Florida
Illinois
*Pennsylvania
Ohio
*Georgia
*Michigan
*North Carolina

*get back more than they pay.
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Yes those are mostly Red states.....as are most states that get back more than they pay in
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Did you forget what you were ranting about? We’re talking about population, not red vs blue.
Typical liberal. Lost the argument so you deflect to something else.
Goodbye
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LOL- no- the main argument was the conservative notion that populated areas make the rules over less populated areas which is not necessarily true in any case (see election of 2016). Also the point was the electoral college is not doing it's job representing the population as it was designed. What would be fair is a 1:1 representation....every vote counting.

Same for tax dollars. Every one should count. The states that pay in more (Mostly blue, higher populated states) pay for the less populated (mostly Red) states. That's a simple fact. You can pull out a few states for your own purposes but it doesn't make the facts change.

There's a pretty good connection to the main topic of this thread and my article. Every dollar counts. Like votes.

Try to keep up.

Typical conservative....can't see the forest for the trees.
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You should try reading your own article. It shows that 6 of the 10 most populated states receive more than $1 back for every $1 they spend in taxes.

And of the 14 states that receive less than $1 for every dollar they spend, half of them are in the bottom 50% of states by population.
So your theory that the most populous states support the least populous states is “flat out wrong.”
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You are reading the data backwards. these states get back LESS than $1 for every $1 they pay into federal taxes
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you know, there is thing out there besides imgflip and misinfowars called google, you should try it , unless you like looking very foolish day in and day out. - basically the trump redneck states are supported by the liberal states you make fun of... enjoy your welfare from them, its ok because despite it all even the trump states are part of the UNITED states. - https://taxfoundation.org/tag/federal-taxes-paid-vs-spending-received-by-state/
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It's call a republic. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
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Democrateic republic, mind you. It's different than a republic.
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New York, Chicago, and LA constitutes a total population of ~15.3 million people (note, not just voters, but EVERYBODY) In a country of 310.4 million people, a politician would need more than just those three cities to help. To represent the entire country, a person has to represent everyone.

Right now, Trump is pushing for a $12 Billion bailout for farmers because of his economic screw up. Where is this money going to magically come from. Manufacturers are already starting to lay off employees because, even those using American Steel have seen the price of that go up due to demand.

Sounds like Trump isn't really representing anybody but his own ego
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dobbys_boggart was mistaken in naming cities, he should have gone with full states. California alone has a higher population than the 20-25 lowest populated states /combined/.

And what economic screw-up are you referring to? Everything I've been hearing points to him being responsible for an economic boom.
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Read the whole thing. While they are sticking to him, it's more out of patriotism as many are fearful of the trade war cutting profits heavily if trump doesn't stop. Many are facing billions of dollars in loss. It's rather concerning honestly. I hope they will be ok.

https://www.agprofessional.com/article/farmers-sticking-trump
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No, he wasn't mistaken. It just shows that when one follows fake news, they become the sheeple that just repeat what they hear.

As far as economic screw up: I'd point to the most talked about item: the $12 Billion bailout to farmers. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-farmers/trump-wants-12-billion-in-aid-to-u-s-farmers-suffering-from-trade-war-idUSKBN1KE1YE) His lack of planning shows in that was the first thing he had to do after his tariff policy was announced. Where will that money come from? Most likely those areas with high populations, like California, and in particular, Los Angeles.

Harley-Davidson has already upped production in their foreign facilities because the EU put a 31% tariff on US Imports.

Mid-Continent Nail, America’s largest nail manufacturer, laid off 60 workers immediately because of the tariffs, and are in danger of closing their doors by labor day.

Pretty much, every business that uses steel is affected. Brinly-Hardy, a company that has been in business since 1839, just laid off 75 workers because the price of American steel, something they've always used, went up 33%.

The ones hardest hit will be the small to medium sized manufacturers, as they usually can't just shift production to an overseas facility like Harley did. But they aren't the only ones concerned. Large companies are also worried.

Whirlpool, Caterpiller, and even Coca Cola say that they're going to need to raise prices because of this trade war. The US Chamber of Commerce, as well as the farmers that voted for Trump, want the trade war to cease.

He tried hitting other countries with tariffs like a bully would hit a 90 pound weakling. He didn't realize that the 90 pound weakling was a black belt in Kung Fu.
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yes one family that lives in a 5 mile square area, should have as much say in things as 50,000 people in 5 sq miles of Los Angeles or 1000 sq feet of NYC.... sorry we got Hoover, GWB, and now the freak we have by letting 1 family in the middle of no where have too much say. Electoral collage needs to go.
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3 ups, 2 replies
The electoral college saved us from a Hillary presidency.
Minority groups unique to certain regions can have voice in the electoral college.
It's a similar reason to why the states have equal representation in the Senate, regardless of population.
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I think you have something confused. They depend on each other to survive.
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No.
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7 ups, 1 reply
Please. 'did not save us' from Nixon. Half of the bad about her is bs IRA and the half thats accurate is still 100x times better than the current situation. Hell I would take Romney right now. You think shutting down our trains, power, airports, even for a week is a joke? You really want a dude schlepping steaks out of an electronics store in charge? a dude has not told the truth about anything so far for months? a dude married to a gold digging eastern european wife, you want THIS ...? I am sure you are happy vlad.
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I didn't say I voted for Trump. But Hillary is pro-abortion and too much like Obama. I'd rather have Trump appointing Supreme Court justices.
Plus, I try to ride the upside in situations. At least Trump isn't giving billions of dollars to Sharia regimes. And he's hit the terrorists hard. And he's trying to turn America into a self-sufficient exporter, so that our economy doesn't run dry. And he's trying to preserve the peace with North Korea and Russia. Whether or not he's taking the right approach, the future will show.
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Wow, An exporter? we already export. What you want the chinese cheap crap market and are willing to work for 2 bucks a day to get it? Guess what, what we were exporting (high end goods and technology) is not being replaced overseas, so the markets we have are dissapearing thanks to the moron. and those supporting him. Peace with NK and Russia? we were never going to war... but now we are in one and you dont even see it. You dont think hacking our power grids, politicians, nuke sites is an act of war? wft up.... the chump has been played... more sadly the chump has only played you folks that still dont see what a freaked out whackjob he is. This does not end well. I saw the end results of Nixon, Bush.... those will be pleasant by comparison... You want a supreme court that puts religion in government? That is un American. and NO ONE is PRO ABORTION,,,, jfc... its about the right of the woman... you know that thing you think says god says its ok to have an weapon to kill a crowd of people with? This is why the electoral college has to go. ...OH and terrorists???? Yea? what has he done exactly? Besides stir up iran, and make more enemies for us around the world wanting to attack us?
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Not exactly. Urban centers create their own problems (like attracting illegal aliens, homeless encampments, high crime rate) which they then desire to impose on people who choose to live apart from that. Hillary won California by about 4 million votes. California also happens to be a greatk show. Take that away and Trump won the popular vote by 1 million. We are and always have been a nation of states. By definition, states have a degree of autonomy that can only be maintained by the electoral college.
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That's not entirely true. States DO have some level of autonomy, but when electing federal officials, then the American people as a whole should be able to decide, regardless of state boundaries. That's why states have autonomy over many things that effect their state alone, but there is a federal government to pass laws and regulations that effect the whole of the country.
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And you know, if the presidency were won by popular vote, no doubt more people would get out there and actually vote, because they wouldn't have a representative they felt they could rely on to vote the way they wanted in the college. So Trump still could have won.
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Can you explain the purpose of Senators? Your mind = blown
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2 ups, 2 replies
A group of people democratically elected to help make laws in the legislative branch of a government, the Senate. Your point?
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3 ups, 1 reply
No. You missed the most important part; they are there to represent the interests of their state in a FEDERAL legislative body. They are there in part to make sure that the USA as a whole does not ignore the rights or needs or beliefs of individual states.
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Yes, thank you. My point was also that there are two Senators per State regardless of size or population. Remember, a democracy is three wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for dinner.
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^ Another account made recently with no memes ^
Chinese bot
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Not to mention he does have memes.
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4?
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xD
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Think again, pal.
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Counties don't matter. People do.
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Not to forget Barack H Obama, who wasn't supposed to win either, not even the 2008 primaries.
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Thanks for showing how gerrymandering works.
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Trump was attacking the Electoral College until he won because of it.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/266038556504494082?lang=en

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/798521053551140864

There is support on both sides to abolish the electoral college, but it has not attracted mainstream support.
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Both sides just like to b**ch when they lose. In the end neither side really wants to change it.
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What's a real American? Do you have different classifications for Americans and different levels of citizenship. It all sounds very strange.
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The funny thing is, if another country had such a stupid system, America would be pointing at them and accusing them of not being democratic and fixing the elections.However, we have to understand that America is not a democracy, it is just a vote between the States for who they want as an elected President, the votes of the people do not count.
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So what you're saying is that the smaller regions with sparse populations should have just as much electoral influence as larger states where the majority of the American population actually lives? This is why exactly why Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million despite winning the general election.
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I highly recommend watching this short Adam Ruins Everything segment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk
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2 ups, 4 replies
People complaining about popular vote obviously don't understand the purpose of the electoral college. They're just mad Trump won. You know how I know? They aren't complaining about the Senators. The Senate was created for the same underlying reasons as the electoral college... to balance out mob rule by using geography. Remember kids, a democracy is three wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for dinner.
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Senators are democratcally elected, and when we no longer like their laws, we can choose not to elect them again. We can't choose anything, when it comes to the electoral college. They're not at all the same.
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Also, the Senate balances out the House, which does determine the number of representatives based on that state's population. It was meant to be a compromise. The smaller states wanted each state to have equal representation and the larger states wanted representation based on population. So we have both.
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"People complaining about popular vote obviously don't understand the purpose of the electoral college. They're just mad Trump won."

That's a very black and white way of looking it. I'm sure there were many who complained about the electoral college when Obama won twice. In short, there have been disagreements with the electoral college for a long time now.

"Remember kids, a democracy is three wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for dinner."

When right-wingers stop using "remember kids" arguments as points made will be the time when Right-wing themed TV programs will be aired.
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1 up, 1 reply
Both my points still stand
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0 ups, 1 reply
And you haven't even defended them.
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Your statements did nothing to undermine the points I made. There is nothing to defend against. Your statements could be 100% accurate and they would not challenge my claims.
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"People complaining about popular vote obviously don't understand the purpose of the electoral college. They're just mad Trump won."

This statement implies that everyone who disagrees with how the Electoral college works is just mad that Trump won. I'm arguing that that's a very simplified way of thinking. You sure that claim is without anything to defend against?
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Yeah, but the 17th amendment defeats the original purpose of the Senate. Before, they were appointed by the state's governor to represent the state itself, but now they are democratically elected.
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I guess it represented that lot back in 2012 as well.
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Kings County, NY - population 2.5 million
All of Nebraska (93 counties) - population 1.8 million

Trumpers - Landslide victory! 93-1!
People with brains - <facepalm>
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Yes.
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those blue ones are where most of the people live dumbass.
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An academic way of saying it is "There are more people per square mile in the areas labeled blue compared to the few people living per square mile in the red areas."
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When it comes to the electoral college, it’s the system we have. Don’t like it? Find a way that is better. Pure popular vote favors large urban areas, the college at least attempts to keep that in check. But it’s history goes back to skate owners wanting to make sure they had a larger say in politics. Hence the 3/4’s solution of counting slaves that could not vote as most of a citizen for representation.

Now I’m open to a system that balances both rural and urban voters as both deserve to have equal power in choosing our government. Until that day happens, please stop b**ching about what we got just because the person you didn’t want won. (And yes I didn’t want him either)
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1776-2017: Electoral college is fine

2018: liberals cry for popular vote cuz they are bad losers.

Stfu snowflakes and deal with these glorious 8 years and reap the benefits like the rest of us. Go buy yourself some tissues with the extra money from your tax refund. If I could put up with that retard Obama for 8 years then you can deal with Trump.
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You do realize people have complained about the Electoral College for decades, right? It's nothing new. I've never liked the concept of it, regardless of who the president is.
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Because the founding fathers were russian puppets, right? f**king moron
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Russian bot Nv-174849
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The founding fathers created the electoral college because, at the time, common people didn't have access to adequate information on different candidates. That was there solution, and it worked... until people gained access to things like the Internet.
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...thats some revisionist bullshit if I have ever heard it. The founding fathers EXPLAINED why they created the electoral college, and that isn't it.
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Then what is it?
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It's been explained in this thread multiple times - it is in large part a way of making sure the more populated states don't overrule the lesser ones in every election. I did misspeak though; I should have said that isn't ALL of it. Because they also were hoping for educated individuals selecting the president. You just left out the reason the college is structured the way it is.
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and if you cant bother to fact check for yourself.... I assume you to be a russian troll interested in dividing America - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/
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my "non refutation"? have you been drinking out of LAONSITE's bottle again??
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No thanks, I don't drink anything that dribbles out of someone's asshole...I'm assuming that's where he deposited!?
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You think that jesting face is supposed to be scary?

Sad
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6 ups, 1 reply
Mock the messenger Misha... cant disprove it... so mock it.
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seriously, what level of retarded do you have to get to, to believe one website has all the answers?
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it was for your benefit not mine. My information costs subscription money, but I am sure you could even find it simple enough on reuters, or even state dept gov. or westlaw, or or or
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because nothing says "Truth" more than those $$$'s
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wow. whatever dude. you are not worth my time any longer, but will call you out every time you post your anti American or pro Russia/Syria and I am sure soon Palestinian misinformation. if its true, no issue, but America is not going to put up with this aggression from vlad and friends and ef you if you guys think you can keep pumping lies and tearing down our press like has been done already in Russia.
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"you are not worth my time any longer, but will call you out every time you post your pro American or anti Russia/Syria propaganda"

that's exactly how i've been operating since the last time you made a fool of yourself in my company, you brainwashed retard

Also, "Palestinian misinformation" that time will come ;)
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No doubt about the PLA.. - have a good day.
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David and Barbara Mikkelson of California, ... of the Annenberg Foundation, contributed $25,000 to the Democratic National. David Mikkelson .... My only question for you would be, did you ever meet a democrat or a liberal that you didn't love?
Oh you mean that guy. LOLOLOLO. do your own DD
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I will repeat the comment, if you cant fact check for yourself - that means your own sources, because I will not hold your hand mikal - America or Russia, pick a side.
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[image deleted]both are propaganda
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Well whatever. Good luck.
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Medinajoe deleted his meme after he saw my reply to it.
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which post and which reply? i can't find anything on here

Also, medinajoe is the only left winger on the internet who managed to make a funny Leftist meme...you guys should be worshipping him
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"Training terrorists to serve US Government & business interests"

WOW!! did you actually proof read that or did you just type it out as LAONSITE was spewing it up?

So, in your own words, espionage, coups and training Terrorists are okay....but Russia meddling in your elections is tantamount to a declaration of war!?

You and LAONSITE are like the Beavis and Butthead of IMGFLIP...without the brains..and the jokes
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and you need to brush up on what "non refutation(al)" means LOLz
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Yet another amazingly unexpected rebuttal from the festering tapeworm himself.
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I used dollies there so you won't think I'm trying to frighten you into peeing into your nappies more than you normally do.
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Ha!
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Source, please
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How are you so sure the Russians (who influence the internet so heavily) havent infiltrated these websites and news organizations you flaunt?
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