Yo, Skippy, Judeo-Christianity came first. The Mussies came along later on, and stole a few pieces of Judeo-Christianity to sugarcoat their own worship of a cruel deity that they named "God." Abraham would be completely disgusted with what the Middle-east is today.
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8 ups, 7y,
having been raised in and escaped from a christian cult, I know that christians who actually read the bible do so with rose colored glasses. Many hardcore christians believe they will fight a holy war with jesus and slaughter armies of people to take over the world when the time comes. Not really different than radical Islam. Hundreds of years ago in England, the Puritan Christians tried to overthrown the king but were chased to north America. The Catholic Church and Heretic christians fought for centuries, with mass beheadings, torture, villages full of trapped women and children being burnt down... Anyone who tries to tell me christians and muslims are different is a delusional patsy. Christian history is overflowing with blood and horrible acts, yet most pretend the radical christians don't exist... believe me they do, they're just waiting for their fight again.
Johnny, it was Christians who created the United States in the first place. Mother Theresa...Christian. We don't believe in fighting a holy war. When Jesus comes, He'll cleanse the earth Himself. We just have to make sure we're worthy to survive the cleansing. Through missionaries, we reach out to other people, encouraging them to prepare for that great and terrible day.
6 ups, 7y,
The United States of America was built on a secular foundation where all men were free to practice all religions, as long as they didn't break the laws of the land. women were not people. Just like there are 1001 different christian groups around the world that have different interpretations of the bible, there are many differing Muslim Groups.
While you may believe that Jesus will come and cleanse the earth himself, there exists hardcore christian factions in the US that interpret prophecy in a much more literal sense, where it will be war first, then cleaning up all the human remains for years after as the "kingdom" is established. And you cannot erase history. Blood spilled in the name of Christianity runs just as deep as Islam, and just as scary. Just thinking about the many so called Christians who voted for Trump is a testament to how decayed christian morals are in America. Go back and read all of the things Trump said, and he is about as anti-christ as you can get. Hillary was no better.
If Christians are people of love, they will show love to people in need, like the good Samaritan, and love their enemies. The trump following extremists on the Right are not christian, nor do they even represent christian values. Trump represents the love of money, just like all the people in washington that are eagerly bombing any country that is standing in the way of profit and resource expansion. No, America is not a country built by Christians or for Christians. christians wouldn't wipe out millions of natives or bully them for centuries.
In the spirit of equality and tolerance, the United States doesn't have a state-sponsored church. Not even atheism can be the state religion (like it has been in the Soviet Union, China, and North Vietnam).
A system of law requires a unity of consistent principles. In the absence of a state church, the vacuum is filled by a national philosophy. One that's laid out in our philosophical charter: The Declaration of Independence, the certificate of our identity as a nation. A philosophy built upon Judeo-Christian VALUES, with liberty and justice for all peaceful religions. It is Judeo-Christianity that acknowledges God's sovereignty and lays out all Ten Commandments to civilization. America has a rich Christian heritage of calling upon God for aid, and thanking Him for this great land of liberty. The colonists came here to seek freedom to worship God, not to hand political power over to atheism. It's too bad the third verse of the national anthem isn't sung at events too.
I don't mind people who Believe in god or whatever, but as far as I'm concerned History has shown that almost every Religion is nothing more than a death cult that either kills, punishes, or publicly humiliates anyone who isn't part of their "Club".
I did say "Almost", I do recognize that there are certain instances where a religion hasn't caused bad times, but one cannot deny that a majority of the religions in the past and present have far more negative impacts on society than positive ones.
That is a good point, but those countries are somewhat totalitarian in nature, and I speak of a perfect world where we don't have to be forced to not have religion and rather choose to not worship a god, but again you have a point.
What about Ben Franklin, John Adams, and the other 53 signers of the Declaration of Independence? And George Washington, James Madison, and the other attendees of the Constitutional Convention? You're not really going to try to rationalize each one into a non-Christian, are you?
Benjamin Franklin belonged to something called "the HELLFIRE CLUB". It Doesn't SOUND very Devout to me....
I'm sure that there was enough diversity amongst them that they weren't as ALL UP in each others business....as folks these days want to be...
4 ups, 7y,
Anybody who is reading this will have no idea who I replied to.
1 up, 7y,
I have no idea what's goin g on here. And who are all these users???
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9 ups, 7y,
9 ups, 7y,
Maybe some Muslim should hack your clitoris off, then you'll finally appreciate the subtle charms of Islam treating women worse than animals. Maybe then you won't be so quick to lump all religions in with that barbaric 8th century death cult of Islam.
All religions fit the definition of a "cult". But not all are Satanic which is what the original comment said. Islam may not worship Satan but the radical Islamic extremists are most certainly under his influence.
And that's the truth. I don't support Islam, but that doesn't mean that every Muslim is a bad person. I happen to know a few very kindhearted Muslims, and they don't deserve to be judged by the radical actions of others within their religion. But if I may point something out that I saw farther up in the thread, Allah is most certainly not the same as Jehova, and it is true that Islam was created after Christianity and Judaism. It's kind of like WalMart brand vs the original brand of food. It took some general concepts but didn't follow it very closely, so you come out with two products that taste completely different.
It's great how you try to be neutral and someone comes in spouting unfounded banter. Ask a group of Christians and a group of Muslims if they worship the same God, and your answer will be a resounding "no". Though they may appear the same on the surface, Jehova and Allah are separate concepts. Religion cannot be viewed from a scientific standpoint because science simply cannot explain the spirit.
I'm guessing that your take on the Bible is a religious fundamentalist approach.
No point arguing about matters of FAITH ... Generally. But there are ETERNAL TRUTHS...and Ancient Wisdom (the "perennial philosophy" as a teacher of mine liked to put it) hidden within each of the 'Greater Lights'.
Commercial Law for instance, which predates ALL modern religions is woven through all three "Books".
You want to look for Differences - they are there. But there are common elements that I guess you're missing.
Not the same religion (belief structure), to be sure... but the same point of Origin.
If you want to check the handwritting...God is the theoretically the Author...but s/he clearly has ghost writers.
As such you have the human instrument trying to channel the Divine...and from what I've seen, they all fall short in places.
Look, the problem is that everyone is either just hitting the surface or digging too deep. The point is, if you truly know enough about either God, it is very easy to find key differences that make Jehovah and Allah very distinguishable from the other. If I also may point out, God does not change with the passing of time. He simply alters his approach to humans as we change in order to be understood.
You're more likely to get shot by an aspergersy republican than a common muslim. You're more likely to see TWO muslims GET SHOT AND KILLED by an aspergersy republican than you are to get shot by any common muslims at all.
Not trying to be rude or Slanderous....Peace and ALL that (also...nice to see you.... my man - looks like your "back" from your travails)....
But within the context of the discussion of WHOM in our lives (each of us here in the USA) would be more likely to be the one shoot one of us (or blow us up, run us over [road rage] or stab etc..., white boys Don't KNOW bout Machetes or Nasty martial arts weapons - seemingly)... it isn't a Syrian or SouthWestAsian/N.African. It's a Scott ROEDER or the aspergery guy @ work.
Numbers are just oriented that way. Motive may be more prevalent (and frankly..more justified) - for the former group, than the latter... But MEANS and OPPORTUNITY lean the other way....
Well you can point to individual instances of violence by MEMBERS of ALL faiths....But the broad brush seems reserved for the CURRENT outgroup.
And yes each instance of whatever is a fact (tho there are plenty lined up on the other side...against you) is a possible cite....do the math
Did a Muslim just go shoot up a Church? Or did a bigoted Christian Xenophobe just kill a butch of INNOCENT Muslim civilians, in Michigan?
That story was reported...but doesn''t captivate the News cycle - because it UNDERMINES the hegemonic paradigm of today - where the. Machete wielding British ISIS supporters (attacking SOLDIERS NOT CIVILIANS) reinforces it. And in an apparent inversion of the usual Booze formula - 'if it bleeds it leads'. From there you divide the number of victims....by the distance from the newsroom in Miles. From there you get a score and a way to rank tragedies....
So why all the coverage of an attack in S. London.
... While a MUCH larger homegrown massacre receives so little coverage?
Because it would interfere with the distorted picture of reality that must be Very reassuring to you.
Good Lord, THANK YOU for being one of the only ones in this comment section to have common sense. You give me hope for the world.
9 ups, 7y,
Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and quit using examples from 1000 years ago or more? I'm talking about what happens in 2017, every week, in every corner of the globe under the banner of Islam. Or does knowing about systemic r@pe of Yazidi females turn you on? Honor killings, stoning and acid attacks are your thing? I bet it's the kidnappings that are a power trip in your sick world. You're a real humanitarian, defending the plague of barbarism under Islam.
I don't mean to barge in on an important discussion, but you need to chill out for a bit. Politics brings out the worst in all of us. Sometimes you need to know when to just accept someone else's opinion the way it is.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Here Jesus specifically says that the entire law of Moses is still fully in force and denounces those who would seek to say that parts of the law are invalid. What part of that passage am I misunderstanding?
Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses by expanding its moral aspects. "Don't kill" and "Don't commit adultery" were advanced to "Don't get angry" and "Don't harbor lust." The higher Law of Christ places the moral imperatives of the Law of Moses in the context of broader gospel principles that require a change of heart. Likewise, the civil government's strict enforcement of God's commandments was replaced; an individual's spiritual standing was now just between them and God. Jesus demonstrated this when He saved the life of a woman caught committing adultery.
The ritual and symbolic aspects of the Law of Moses pointed forward to Christ's Atonement, death, and Resurrection. So after those occurred, there was no longer a future event to point to, and thus the Law of Moses was fulfilled and could be done away with.
@skippopotamus et al, the translations of Mat 5-18 vary.. that should be a hint. However, the issue is in the the phrase "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law..." Jesus was a Jew and he clearly states that the OT laws are in effect until heaven and earth pass.. the "till all be fulfilled" is clearly referring to the previous statement. Other versions are clearer on this. The KJV is widely known by textual critics as the least accurate "version" of the bible having been translated from the oldest greek and some fill in work in latin. Simply, Jesus defends the laws you find in Ex and Lev. Contort all you want about Jesus changing the rules, he simply did not. According to multiple references in scripture, god is unchanging and eternal. Both can't be right.
Your statements make me question whether you've ever read it either...
Certainly doesn't seem like you've taken much of it to heart....
If you supporting TRUMP and his anti-refugee ban (which.actually affects Christians, too) - then you are NO 'good Samaritan'.Rather, just another lawless murderer...and a small bump on the road to the peace of G-D.
7 ups, 7y,
That was a descriptive term of a group perform atrocities in 2017, which is MUCH different than quoting the Old Testament as though people still do that and haven't moved on.
Muslims still live in the 8th Century, Christians do not.
Nibba only 10% of the world's Muslims are radical. (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/) It is amazingly close-minded of you to assume that all Muslims do that kind of thing. Yeah, some Muslims do crazy shit. They take their holy words too seriously. But most of them don't, and if you can't see that, then you don't have the right to accuse them of such things, you uneducated bigot.
As with RADICAL FUNDAMENTALIST Christians ... Not ALL radical fundi Muslims are an Actual threat to anybody....even in Malaysia, the Phillipines and Indo....where quite a few of those 120 million must live.
Not a big fan of Pew.....anyways...our concerns on Human Rights rarely follow issues as much as political concerns these day, it seems. Is the bible belt known for it's tolerance for women's reproductive freedom? Not that I know of. Look first to the mote in your OWN eye.
Jesus taught us to judge false prophets by their fruits. Moe's fruit: A culture which to this day has been a source of terror against the free world; where women's rights and free speech don't exist; and where capital punishment, in cruel and unusual manners, is dolled out at the drop of a hat.
I think y'all overrate yourselves and downgrade others thoughtlessly...and habitually. Are the French still 'Surrender Monkeys' for opposing W's DISASTROUS misadventure in Iraq? Sure they dislike us....but, the way we act...who WOULDN'T? The Australians are THROUGH with our crap apparently. Mexico isn't interested in fostering XENOPHOBIA and Ultra NEO -Nativism.
And I trace both Islamic Fundamentalism AND the TERROR problem back to Langley. Or Falls Church...or wheArabiait was that the Bin Laden clan caughtt their UNIQUE and unprecedented 9/11/2001 flight back to Saudi Arabia.
Judge not...let he who is WITHOUT SIN.....TURN THE OTHER CHEEK....etc.
Basic accommodations are all any minority religion, would usually ask for. Why do The HAWAIIAN CANNABIS CHURCH, and Native American peyote shaman "want to change our laws". Because they're CODES - not laws - often NOT LAW as well. And they too deserve the free exercise of their beliefs. Should they stay HOME (and kick US out!) - or seek religious freedom - in a REALLY free country.
Sikhs are required to carry a ceremonial sword. Not a threat to anybody.
To the extent that HALAL is becoming more common - it has economic - NOT political drivers.
Please show me where SHARIA has been adopted, ANYWHERE in the West.
A Sikh real estate agent says he is "shocked" and "insulted" after being barred from entering a Cosmopolitan Club for lunch this week with colleagues because he was wearing a turban.
Gurpreet Singh, 30, who works at Ray White Papatoetoe, is taking his complaint against the Manurewa Cosmopolitan Club for religious discrimination to the Human Rights Commission.
"I tried to explain that the turban is part of my faith and it is not a headgear that I can take off, but the reception just refused to accept that," Mr Singh said.
"I don't know whether it's being racist or ignorance, but what they did left me shocked and insulted."
This is not the first time the club has been embroiled in controversy. The Herald reported another turban-wearing Sikh being denied entry in 2010 when the club said his turban breached its no-headwear policy.
A year before that incident, another complaint was lodged against the club after it refused to allow a Muslim international student to dine there because she was wearing a hijab, or religious headscarf.
Mr Singh said he was not aware of the earlier complaints, but had lodged complaints with the commission and the police because he wanted the club to change its "discriminatory" policy.
A commission spokeswoman said it had received Mr Singh's complaint and was now in " confidential mediation".
Club manager Patricia Rangi would not comment yesterday except to say the matter was going through the processes before the commission.
The club's policy banned entry to all people with headgear, including those wearing them for religious reasons.Veer Khar, president of the Manukau Indian Association, said the club's rules were archaic and had no place in modern New Zealand.
"The rules can also be seen as very discriminatory when it is used to keep some people out of the club," he said.
"On the club's part, it's a bit of ignorance, and I'd say they need to get more educated."
Mr Khar said about a third of the association's membership were Sikh. They were prepared to meet club officials to explain the turban's religious significance.
Sikh Centre chairman Verpal Singh said his group had asked members of the local Sikh community to stay away from the club since the 2010 case to avoid a repetition of the incident.
"Our purpose was to defuse the situation and not let those who shout 'go back to where you came from' or 'our country our rules' [have] any platform to spew their venom."
Professor Andrew Geddis of Otago University law school
the cosi club is not a religion dickhead. you are showing typical signs of an islamic sympathiser . you should open your mind. if you want to practice your hate religion and terrorism , do it in your own country. If your country and religion is soooo great stay there
NOT a religion you SAY? Well then let me inform - It Don't matter.
Religions AND Private Clubs (FREE ASSOCIATION) are EQUALLY protected under the first amendment. Within the walls of YOUR church, you can expect BROAD DISCRETION. sacrifice a HUMAN (even a willing victim)....and we WILL INTERVENE. A REDUCTIO ad absurdam, true...but I was HOPING that you'd have gotten the point already.
anotherworldview you are entitled to your opinion and so am i . but if you even read any of what i wrote, you would see i am in New Zealand. The clue was in the newspaper article i pasted. you numpty knumbnut inbred goat shagger
First OFF....Back to LAW SCHOOL - for YOU, my friend. JIM CROW laws were of EQUAL validity
Personally, I oppose ALL extensions of the COMMERCE clause, unto the private conduct of "FREEMEN" (in as much as they cause NO TRAVERSE or injury towards others). Which is how you GET helmet laws, inthe first place. So that's a pretty tenuous argument - right there.
The Rules of a PRIVATE club, are no more a matter of law...than the menu @ McDonalds.
You Don't like a DULL sword or
Knife? Are you AGAINST the open carry of handguns and AR15's? Cause I fail to see ANY difference...except in the ACTUAL threat, posed by each - and WHO, is INTO what.
SO, Some Muslims oppose bikinis and showy clothing....so do plenty of Christians and Jews. And @ LEAST in this country it has ALWAYS been Judeo-Christians who've passed our "rulemaking" for appropriate beach attiire.
Why I can't surf NAKED like the Polynesians of OLD?
Which is why we needed French people to teach us how to wear Clothing that looks nice...and won't ACTUALLY drown you...if you get in over your head.
These sound like "SHARIA WATCH" talking points. You aren't actually LISTENING to that BUFFOON - Pam Geller - are you?!?
you really are an ANGRY NEEDLE DICKED MUSLIM. don't get angry because you don't get islam everywhere you go. stay in your angry war torn country and don't go spreading anger and hate and terror , dont go to other countries and try to change them. you cant have it both ways, you cant go to a christian country and change them, because a christian cant walk in a bikini in a muslim country or drink alcohol on a beach or on a public area. calm down and look at the coin both sides. like i said if your country and religion is sooooo great go back.
anyone else in my country would be arrested and charged for carrying that same sword, blunt instrument, knife sword or what ever, so why are you allowed to break the law here. if i start a religion where i carry an axe and thought i can do it because it is my doctrine is that okay? No. because i know the laws of that country and decide i will not weld my axe or i wont migrate there.... open your mind you egg
Come arrest ME. I have One. Sometimes I carry it. Before you come @ me on a felony (Cal. Penal Code - DANGEROUS WEAPONS)....please look and observe that there are EXCEPTIONS to EVERY good rule.
And I QUALIFY. How far you really WANT to take this? Check with OUR Sheriff if you like.
Anyways....a SIKH's SYMBOLIC (Incapable of effective use. - dull AND weak) Sword or Dirk or DAGGER, is a GREATER THREAT TO ISLAM - than your XENOPHOBIC - ass... So I guess you should be CAREFUL what YOU wish for.
Oh, and unless you can take away a foot (life and LIMB - MAYHEM. MAGNA CHARTA), we all have 2 of them with us. The GROUND is MY Cudgel. That WALL...
LIKE I Told you...come get me. You want to carry something like that?
Go AHEAD and 1) QUALIFY. 2) Check -in with your Sheriff (Optional).
As for the "Comment" above....what can be said about and INCORRECT Ad Hominem? Nothing constructive - usually; unless you're VERY GOOD. ARE YOU? I Haven't seen it.
Have I been RUDE to you? I think FRANK AND HONEST more....but I can see how you might Take it that way. My hope is.... once we're all up to speed with the BRIGHT'S (at LEAST the one's that wish you NO harm) we'll be able to apologize to each other for our trespasses - even - the MUTUAL ones.
If NOT.... well, I tried.
UPVOTING you. Don't know if you've noticed....WHY? Because like my "DISCUSSION" with MODDA - I don't feel Shame OR Guilt about what I said, to either of you.
So, I Hope that we can DISAGREE (even strenuously) - agreeably.
Say.... Have you ever met a "Phineas Priest"? I've heard they EXIST like "the ORDER" and others peripheral to the story in BLOOD OATH - (coughs) FURHMAN. What do YOU think?
I'm always interested in a proper discussion...once we can stipulate on the FACTS.
Calm DOWN?!? How about WAKE Up? And yes...QUITE conscious thank-you.
I AGREE with you PILGRIM. But DON'T put your wack-ass CODES on my CASTLE or COURT. Or you WILL find YOURSELF - OVER-RULED.
DO I want them CHANGING the LAW? NO. DO I trust YOU, to make or "change" (/rule upon) a LAW? Not YET.
Do I want them OPPRESSING or ABUSING the OWN wives, mothers, sisters or daughters...
NO! The Widow or Orphan EITHER.
Will I STAND BY and SAY NOTHING, while YOU and yours try to....Hell NO!
Sorry - you folks are just a BIT paranoid @ present...by OTHER people getting the same kind of preferential treatment - that y'all have BEEN giving to yourselves SINCE it seems like ...Colonial Massachusetts.
3 ups, 7y,
How many people have they burned to death in cages and put it on YouTube? Because that's what your precious Moslem horde has done in the name of their pedophile prophet.
And I can show YOU ... some COLLATERAL MURDER. Wikileaks aired that....Because unlike ISIS....our guys PRETEND to be embatassed - about ALL of the AWFUL things that THEY DO.
I can't show you Video of the KELLOGG, BROWN AND ROOT - built TIGER CAGES within which.... our people mistreated, tortured and MURDERED "...some folks..." . Back issues of Covert Action Quarterly might help you, here and ELSEWHERE.... (Originally - Covert Action Information Bulletin - CAIB).