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Philosoraptor Meme | why do democrats claim trump stole the 2016 and 2024 elections; but they will not support the save act to secure elections? | image tagged in memes,philosoraptor | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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9 ups, 1mo,
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And yet they still believe 81 million voted for a plate of mashed potatoes. They are amongst the knuckle draggers of the universe
6 ups, 1mo
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8 ups, 1mo
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5 ups, 1mo
Cuz delusions are part of TDS.
2 ups, 1mo
Because they know they are lying. It's a wonder that Trump won with all of their institutionalized cheating.
3 ups, 1mo,
1 reply
Well you can’t be a “legal citizen with a green card. You either are one or have the other, not both.
3 ups, 1mo,
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No, its always been that way. Same reason diplomats that have children on US soil, those children aren't US citizens. You have to legally reside and not have foreign allegiances.
1 up, 1mo,
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I can understand the diplomat thing.
Yeah my civics history is very much a mish mash of here and there and remembering it from 8th grade.
1 up, 1mo,
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The idea is that your parents have to be legal residents for you to be a US citizen. What if Kim Jong Un snuck into the US and had a kid, could he have them run for president?
0 ups, 4w,
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That is why I understand it to be the way it is.
That still doesn't mean that foreign nations do not have the resources to fake the entire process. If Kim Jong Un wanted to do that, nothing would stop him from having agents set that story into motion that a defector came to America and had his child. Whether it actually happened or not so long as the official record holds.

It also doesn't matter the real reason Iran was invaded so long as people believe the narrative spun. From what I am seeing Iran is pushing really hard to undermine the presidents claims and with how much the president has lied previously I'm inclined to believe he is full of him self talking about progress in peace talks. I'm one of the people who would still be interested in /why/ a country would want to bomb us more than just accept it at face value. Our media has a filter too just like every other country.
Be hesitant to trust the story you are sold, look for the motives behind it.
I don't doubt my country, I doubt the motives of the people running it. Based on approval ratings I'm not alone.
0 ups, 4w,
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Iran is a Shi'ite dominated (at least their leaders) country where they believe the US is the devil and if they die fighting us they get a free trip to heaven. They are fanatics. I believe it's possible the president was lied to about a lot of things by his advisors and by Israel, but I think the Iranian threat was real, if we didn't deal with them now, we'd have to deal with them later on. Trumps first term, he had them starving with embargos and cutting off their money, but Biden reversed that for 4 years and allowed them to build back up.
Keep in mind they have nuclear materials mines that only take a year or two to make weapons grade materials from. So at best without regime change we are pushing it down the road a few years.
0 ups, 4w,
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You can call me soft, I don't mind. In reality I am in control of my actions.
I show restraint when tempted with power. Some people don't have the same resolve, and if they crush the resolve of the hidden strength they will find out what real power is.
It is humble, it is kind, it is merciful - until the seal is broken.
I preach peace, I instill regret. When faced with adversity I am not afraid for me, I am afraid they don't know what they are unleashing. I'm even more afraid they do know and are doing it anyways.
The difference between them and me is I don't oppress them to show I am on top.
If you feel there is a better way I will let you take the reigns. If you don't know how to drive, heed my advice. Don't convince the horse pulling your buggy you are in control by force. Convince it by showing you are acting in its' best interest. Restraint is the power to control the beast in yourself, only then can you help others contain theirs. Respect comes to whose who can take a punch, Karma comes to those who throw them.
- The devil you know

My problem with their approach is "hit the enemy before they have time to react"
Now, they will bide their time and do the same while building a new government hierarchy we do not understand. Before the bombing we knew all of the cards in play, now they drew a new hand. We had over 25 years of peace with the region under the previous rule, Trump changed that. While there was a spot with them in the 80s Bush knew the best thing was to say "bad boy" and sweep it under the rug. Source: https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE?si=OZy5DmfauZ7l3URA
The key difference here is this was in response to Iran being aggressive and America stepping in. This time America is the aggressor. Funny how similar this story sounds..
0 ups, 4w
Correction, it was Reagen XD
0 ups, 3w,
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No we did not have 25 years of peace. We had 25 years of cold war where they sent terrorists after us and we did unannounced black ops military strikes.
0 ups, 3w
While I do not know how you got access to that information. I do question it. What is a terrorist in this sense? While I have heard of terror attacks in the west I also was under the impression they were from a distributed region of the middle east, not all from one area. Are you trying to say their media and religious beliefs are solely responsible for radicalizing factions that the government claims no involvement with across a large swath of the region and abroad? Or is there a group they do claim? Like I said I am not well versed in the topic but I feel just doing a search for this will lead me to biased sources.
1 up, 3w,
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2/2
Ongoing rocket and border attacks by Hezbollah (2016–2023+): Thousands of incidents along the Israel-Lebanon border, escalating dramatically after October 2023. Hezbollah launched over 1,000 rockets/missiles in some periods, killing civilians and soldiers. Iran supplies the arsenal in violation of UN resolutions.
Houthi attacks on Saudi Arabia/UAE (2016–2022, with flares later): Ballistic missiles and drones struck civilian and infrastructure targets, including a 2022 Abu Dhabi attack killing three. Iran supplied weapons components.
December 2019: Kataib Hezbollah rocket attack on K1 base in Kirkuk, Iraq, killed a U.S. civilian contractor and wounded U.S./Iraqi personnel. Led to U.S. retaliation.
2021: Iranian-aligned militias in Iraq/Syria conducted ~two dozen rocket/UAS attacks on U.S./coalition sites, including on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad and Ain al-Asad base.
October 7, 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel: Militants killed ~1,200 people (including ~40–48 Americans), injured thousands, and took ~250 hostages. Iran provided long-term material/financial support and training to Hamas/PIJ, enabling the assault, though U.S. officials stated no direct evidence of Iranian foreknowledge or operational planning. Hamas leaders reportedly sought broader Iranian/Hezbollah involvement. This triggered regional escalation.
0 ups, 3w,
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So they are providing training and funding but don't do the acts themselves?
Is the training like "understanding of the cause" or military capability or "self sacrifice"?

When you understand what terrorism is it is easy to classify American involvement in foreign policy terrorism also.

"Terrorism is generally defined as the unlawful, premeditated use of violence or threat of violence against civilians or property to intimidate or coerce governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives. It involves creating fear to influence policies, typically violating criminal laws and creating widespread disruption" - Google

Insert Trump quotes relating to Iran over the last 2 months.
Insert ICE raids
Insert Venezuela drama.

These are just the ones that made the headlines.

Terrorism is more of a scare word anymore and it is within reason to put a lot more things in the same category when it fits the narrative that needs spun.
0 ups, 3w,
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No sorry, ICE is doing its job and removing people with judicial removal orders, it's intent is not to cause fear.
Trump's purpose in Iran is to keep them from getting nukes and destroy their ability to attack the US and Europe, it is not to instill fear into the Iranian people.
Venezuela was just serving a warrant that had been outstanding for a while.

Actual terrorism usually includes violence against civilians. Read the list again. Iran supplied terrorists with funding and materials to carry out terrorist attacks, there's no wiggle room here.
0 ups, 3w
That explains the shooting of the American citizens who were pedestrians who were shot fleeing for their lives. The worst kind of terrorism is government sanctioned with no repercussions for their actions.
It also explains the threats of arrest and pepper spray for asking questions.
While it may have been within their job duties it doesn't excuse them for deporting American citizens and illegals to 3rd party countries and bypassing due process.
"Due process is a fundamental constitutional guarantee (5th & 14th Amendments) requiring the government to act fairly and follow established legal procedures" - google

The violation of this process was to instill fear as until this point the process was followed.
I'm pretty sure you should look deeper into the orders that ICE was following. To my knowledge there was a order created with a"loophole" which was actually not legal as it was not by a department with authority.
0 ups, 3w
"While I do not know how you got access to that information. I do question it. What is a terrorist in this sense? While I have heard of terror attacks in the west I also was under the impression they were from a distributed region of the middle east, not all from one area. Are you trying to say their media and religious beliefs are solely responsible for radicalizing factions that the government claims no involvement with across a large swath of the region and abroad? Or is there a group they do claim? Like I said I am not well versed in the topic but I feel just doing a search for this will lead me to biased sources."

Iran is widely regarded by the United States and many Western governments as the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism, primarily through the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and its Quds Force, which provide funding, weapons (including rockets, drones, and missiles), training, and logistical support to a network of proxy groups often called the "Axis of Resistance."
These proxies operate with varying degrees of autonomy but align with Iranian strategic goals, such as opposing Israel, the U.S., and Gulf states. Iran denies direct operational control over specific attacks, emphasizing "resistance" against perceived aggression. U.S. State Department reports and other analyses document this support consistently across the past decade (roughly 2016–2026).
Major Iran-Backed Groups (Active in 2016–2026)

Hezbollah (Lebanon): Iran's most capable and long-standing proxy. Receives thousands of rockets, missiles, drones, and funding. Has conducted cross-border attacks on Israel and maintained a global network for plots.
Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) (Gaza/West Bank): Iran supplies weapons, funding, and training. Hamas has received Iranian support for rocket production and operations, enabling multiple conflicts with Israel.
Houthis (Ansar Allah, Yemen): Iran provides advanced drones, ballistic missiles, anti-ship weapons, and advisors. Used for attacks on Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel, and international shipping.
Iraqi militias (e.g., Kataib Hezbollah, Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq, Harakat al-Nujaba, and the broader Islamic Resistance in Iraq umbrella): IRGC-backed Shiite groups within or aligned with the Popular Mobilization Forces. Conduct rocket, drone, and IED attacks, often targeting U.S. forces.
Others: Saraya al-Ashtar (Bahrain), various Syrian militias, and occasional support for smaller networks or plots in Europe, Africa
6 ups, 1mo,
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Wha? If you already think we cheated to get our candidates elected, why would we need the SAVE act???
What’s a “Drmocrsts“??
3 ups, 1mo,
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3 ups, 1mo
Right
4 ups, 1mo,
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How does requiring photo ID to identify a registered voter help Republicans to cheat?
4 ups, 1mo
Trump already shut down many of the NGOS giving kick backs to Dems.

Tackling the fraud by their illegal constituents voting block.

Forcing IDs will definitely hinder their ability to get (Re) Elected.
4 ups, 1mo,
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Did you sleep through Russiagate?
0 ups, 1mo
Did Russia interfere with the elections? Yeah. Israel does too. They're a bit more open about with AIPAC. Musk did it with $250 million.

But the elections weren't stolen.

The closest thing we've had to a stolen election was 2000 when the supreme court stopped the counting in Florida. If counting would have continued, Gore would have won.
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