The Ultimate Way to Destroy our Country

Yep and our virtue-signaling leftists will FEEL this way right up until they get stuffed into a uniform against their will, handed an actual assault rifle, and sent of to fight in the war that they cheered for. All of a sudden they will 'rediscover' the hippies' 'Peace Movement'.

Gotta feed their benefactor, the MIC...

The Ukrainian situation was being managed quite well as a local conflict.
Historically, the USSR hasn’t engaged in any direct conflict with the west (I think because they knew they were at a huge disadvantage militarily). But the proxy wars in Vietnam, Korea and some other places in Africa and Asia were successful for them because they kept their involvement low level and restricted to supplying funding, arms and “advisers”.
NATO (and formerly the USA) had adopted this same successful strategy in supporting Ukraine against a very depleted Russia and doing well with it. Why change something that’s working so well. Russia will never actually conquer Ukraine. The much stronger USSR had to give up in Afghanistan, and will still have to give up in Ukraine if European countries support Ukraine.
I don’t think western countries will send soldiers to fight Russian soldiers in the foreseeable future simply because there is no need to. The only exception is likely to be when Russia breaks apart in 10-20 years time.
Any foreseeable WWIII would involve China as the adversary, not Russia. China is only likely to fight a WW over the South China Sea and Taiwan, they wouldn’t even get directly involved in a Koran war re-starting. China is strong enough to fight a WW (on its own doorstep) but Russia can’t even successfully fight a single ex-satellite state.

The only way Ukraine has been able to resist Russia is massive quantities of money and equipment primarily from the US to the tune of 300 billion US dollars. How long can we keep paying for this? Does our country not need this money? Are there not Americans who can be helped?

Not all Ukrainians want to fight to the last Ukrainian and American dollars. The only people that benefits are the Europeans and Chinese. End the war!

Interesting take given that almost all the aid has been in equipment that has been in storage and is not the technology. If the Ukrainians received the latest technology it would be too advanced for them to operate without a couple of years of training.

Ever heard of HIMARS? Any system can be sent with “advisors” who know how to operate it.

The point of “advisers” is to teach the recipients how to conduct their warfare, including teaching them how to operate the tech.

Yes and they can be sent with the equipment to help operate it while the assigned personnel “learn” to use it while doing it. So in other words high tech equipment is sent with people who can operate it. Sometimes they are foreign nationals and can be COA or ex Military or any number of possibilities.

I know I've said they're disconnected from the disconnect but what can be worse than that?

Let's be real. They think World War 3 is a better idea than agreeing with Trump on something. So if Trump refuses to cause World War 3, they will oppose his action anyway.

And yet the right bang on about Canada and Greenland and hell even Pamana so eeeeeh all I'm suggesting is look in a mirror before you say that

It’s great that these discussions are brought up. Our northern neighbor is a welfare case that is imperious, smug and ungrateful that have the audacity to look down their nose at America. They should join the EU and we should close the border.

Canada , Greenland and certainly not panama is going to engage in a Nuclear warfare with us. Canada couldnt even exist without us, Greenland is going to make a bunch of deals that will benefit them, and Panama is a 3rd world country that war isn't even an option , they just need to bend knee and stfu. We know exactly where we stand.

You're right. Just because those countries wouldn't declare war on us doesn't mean we can just do anything we want.

Well since all of MAGA wants to bow down to Putin hell yeah bring it on. Id rather die standing up then live on my knees with my head bowed

Not at all what conservatives want. We want peace and no more wars and we certainly don't want to give hundreds of billions to some causes to delay the inevitable (Ukraine).

Then why dont we get NATO to step in (hypothetical)

Also do you realize what happens if Russia loses or gets defeated the superpower would be dead. If Putin doesn't rage when he loses and nuke everyone Russia could fall and be broken up indefinitely

If Russia starts to lose they launch nukes off our shores and everyone loses.

Delay the inevitable? The world had the same mindset when Hitler started walking in and taking land. They thought if they gave him what they wanted then he would eventually stop. If you think Russia taking Ukraine is inevitable, what’s to stop Putin from taking other countries while nobody bats an eye.

Sorry but Hitler was pre nukes. This is a different world. I don't agree with his invasion, but I also don't agree with NATO breaking their treaty 3 times, and Ukraine fighting Russias border guard and breaking their treaty to not join NATO.
They literally painted Putin into a corner and then acted all surprised when he invaded.

Sorry for my late response. You have a good point, but that none of that means we should give Russia exactly what it wants. Conservatives like to claim Putin is afraid of Trump. If that’s the case, we should be able to stand strong with Ukraine. I agree that we should work for peace instead of continuing to fund the war, but this isn’t the way to do it.

So what Putin would agree to is Ukraine going back to what it was, an independent nation that was a buffer between NATO. What the issue is: they don't trust the US or NATO.
Putin is willing to give Trump a chance because he was honest and straightforward last time.
What Ukraine wants is to destroy Russia. Unfortunately that's not even on the table.
The current Ukraine government is made up of people that are dual US citizens, CIA, MI6, and other intelligence agencies assets. Russia knows this.

This meme is frankly dumb
What kind of diplomacy exactly?
Before you downvote HEAR ME OUT
The last time they had peace was crimea
And russia broke that ceasefire in a while
What makes you think they won't just take time to regroup and then break the ceasefire again?
What is trump willing to give to ensure the peace?

The last time this happened was when Germany invaded poland
Nobody gave a damn because they all thought germany would just leave it at that
In the name of "stopping world war 2" they threw poland to the dogs
But Germany didnt stop there did they?

"If the death of Ukraine can ensure peace for the world, I will be the first to applaud you."
"But if it does not,"
"May god help your souls"

That wasn't with Trump. Putin is afraid of Trump. He didn't respect Obama or Biden. Why do you think Trump's 2016 term was the only term since the 90s that didn't see a Putin border invasion?
Biden gave Putin the US's best source of external income in 2021 shortly after becoming president. Then he allied with all of the countries on Russia's border and basically begged Putin to retaliate because all these countries are so close to Russia's border that they could send nukes into their country. (Putin also is a dictator and has wanted back all the territory Gorbachev gave away, so he just used this as an excuse to invade Ukrainian territory which he already wanted, but still this would never have happened if Trump were president). And then after the war, he used american taxpayer dollars to send $350 BILLION to Ukraine. Biden literally helped both sides of this war at the US's expense.

Also you're wrong to say nobody gave a damn about Poland. In both world wars, England warned Germany not to mess with Poland before they did, and when Germany did, England immediately entered war with Germany. Heck, Germany invaded Poland just to get to Russia in WW1 (meaning Poland was just a country in the way and they weren't Germany's main target) and England still got pissed and entered the war immediately. In WW2, Germany invading Poland was a statement to piss England off.

If Ukraine wants our help, Zelenskyy should be willing to work to set up peace. He shouldn't walk into our WH and disrespect our leaders and then demand we fight Russia with him and gamble with World War 3. Because that would be a stupid move on our part, and not engaging in a potential WW3 is not "allying with Russia". A WW3 would literally blow this globe out of existence. Nobody could handle it. No matter how corrupt Russia or China are, I don't think anyone really wants to start WW3 and if someone actually does, the nicest thing I can say to them is that I hope they stay far removed from a seat of power.

There is mutual respect between Trump and Putin and they both know that Zelensky isn't being truthful

Indeed. And that doesn't mean conservatives or Trump himself look up to Putin as a role model. Trump runs the country like a business. Like it or not, Putin runs one of the strongest countries on the planet. Trump would be stupid not to be trying to cause a rift between them. Same with Xi.
And not like Biden did, where he just gave them whatever they wanted and then just badmouthed them to look good for American leftists, some of which probably dont have too much of a problem with Xi.

"I personally believe we should err on the side of not getting involved in foreign wars. Even when the side we support “wins,” the aftermath often comes back to bite us in the ass. Need examples? In World War I, we helped Britain & France defeat Germany, only to give rise to the Nazi regime. FDR gave Stalin almost everything he wanted in World War II. After Hitler was thankfully defeated, we then had to fight a 45-year Cold War, with all of Eastern Europe subjugated to Soviet rule. We helped Saddam fight to a stalemate against Iran in the 1980s, only to have to fight Iraq in two Perisan Gulf Wars, then after deposing Saddam, the buildup of ISIS and other terrorist organizations. Obama took out Gaddafi, which was followed up by a Civil War and violent Arab Spring. We armed Al-Qaeda to help counter the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, only to get hit on 9/11 and get dragged into a never-ending War on Terror.

Zelensky is a corrupt dictator, who may or may not be as bad as Putin. Who knows what the facts are though, with the nonstop propaganda barrage of both sides. History shows America doesn’t have a great track record of picking the lesser of two evils."

Indeed we do not have a great track record of it. It's wild that a percentage of the country feels like we just owe Ukraine our military. That is a dangerous precedent. And imagine if we learn more about Zelenskyy later and it turns out we were repeating the Stalin mistake all over again (like Zelenskyy, the Stalin case had loads of ppl from the area warning our president that Stalin was manipulating him). We'd look so dumb in retrospect.

It's amazing how quickly they buried all the US-involved corruption inside Ukraine before the Russian invasion...

almost like they knew this would happen...

wag the dog 2.0?

Diplomacy does not mean sucking up to Putin to screw over Ukraine. We're essentially giving Russia exactly what it wants.

Like Dogs chasing their tails

“Woke leftists, Biden, Obama, DEI, Antifa, The media” Always finding something else to blame for what you caused.

No one is talking about Hillary Clinton ?

Funny when she actually collided with Russia with Uranium 1