I love this meme. Its perfect.

Naw, he's right. Statistically, you're more likely to get shot at the gun range than a building that has no guns in it.

But then again, "Liberal" is anyone who disagrees with the right on this stream, it seems.

Everybody knows the freaks come out at night...statistically speaking.

The statistics don’t appear to back that up.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Time-of-day-hours-trend-for-assaults-Time-of-day-hours-trend-for-robberies-Note-the_fig6_283974074

While most violent crimes do happen at night, the majority of crimes, which mostly involve robbery, occur between noon and the evening.

You're misrepresenting the data. This says "robberies" not "armed robberies" and "assault" not "Assault with a deadly weapon." I did a search in the page for "Gun" and found no results. Didn't put much time into it, but people who record data are meticulous, so unless I missed something in my quick check, you're misrepresenting the data.

This is a discussion over the likelihood of being shot, not being robbed or assaulted.

The issue stems from the statement which implies most crime happens at night.

I am not misrepresenting the data as I said exactly robberies, and not armed robberies, take place between 12am to evening, and this accounts for most crime rather than assaults.

I never claimed guns to be specifically part of the data as it is vague on it. And while I realize this is a discussion about guns, there is a huge misconception that most crime happens at night.

It doesn’t.

I see what you're saying, my mistake.

Waffler

No mention of robbery made.

You don't believe robbery to be a crime?

Then clarify, what do you mean by freaks?

For the Right, Liberal and Democrat are interchangeable (so I've seen.) Said freaks typically have knives. Not guns. Especially for an abandoned building. You'd likely find homeless people or drug addicts and they rarely have guns.

We will have to ask someone from the right.

You are minimizing. There are multiple daily shootings in urban Chicago amidst the abandoned and dilapidated buildings.

People rarely died of covid yet they did, right?

Are these done by middle-class suburbanites in the city for the day to do some shopping?

Who commits the urban murders?
Where/how did they get the guns?

Typically it is done by people who are below the poverty line.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/29/how-poverty-correlates-with-an-increase-in-gun-violence/

As for how they obtain the guns, most likely straw purchasing or theft.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/crime-guns/trafficking-straw-purchasing/

Waffler.

Like the homeless, gang members, etc

Suffice to say, you won't spend the night in an urban area full of what appear to be abandoned buildings that may not actually be devoid of human activity.

Let's see if Politics Mods are consistent in their moderation of "Insulting another user." as waffler is a pejorative term.

You and your alts, friends, comrades, etc., cast aspersions because you have zero of merit or value to say.

Where did we cast aspersions?

Is there a point here or just the usual waffling, not in the pejorative sense, but in the sense that you are typing much ado about nothing.

If you find this insulting, cease engaging me.

You must have different definitions of waffling. Because even in the non-pejorative, that's not what it means.

If only everyone on this stream followed the advice you suggest. But it seems that my flags have gone neglected because of moderation bias.

No more pejorative than you calling me an insulting individual.
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Insulting "an" individual is different than "an" insulting individual. Notice the placement of the word "an."

No, he's accusing me of being vague and evasive.

Naturally, his accusation is wrong. Using facts and logic is not being evasive or vague.

You will find you're very wrong.

Now, you're moving the goal posts by mentioning Chicago. You posted a picture of a gun range and an abandoned building. You gave no indication of where these places were. That obviously changes the parameters of the meme. You should own that before we continue this conversation.

Chicago compared to...... where? (As opposed to what)
When compared to smaller populations and less densely populated areas, Chicago doesn't quite rank anywhere near a high as the locale for crime as it is oft credited as.

Look at this gem from a few years back: imgflip.com/i/2ekh9v

The big bad Bronx is way safer than a nice sweet bucolic small city in Georgia.

Waffler

You can easily qualify your expert opinion -. Spend the night in an "abandoned" section of the Chicago urban area.

You can even live stream your overnight visit.

Only reason you may come away unscathed is that murder is rare.

In case it wasn't clear, in the discussion in the meme in the link I posted, I was comparing his hometown to mine.

The Bronx is in NYC, btw, not Chicago. Been here all my life, except for c.7 months in PR when I was 22. What you won't get me doing is to live in his bucolic small town. It's literally worse than the worst parts of the Bx during Reagans' Crack Epidemic.

It case it wasn't clear stated many times in several streams:

I do not view the links you post.

Bucolic must have a different meaning to you.

Waffler

Own that before you interject in the conversation.

You cannot say it isn't Chicago then, correct?

Own that before you interject in the conversation.

I posted no pictures. It ain't my meme.

Own that before you interject in the conversation.

I have no information that the buildings I saw in the picture posted are abandoned and neither do you.

Own that before you interject in the conversation.

You mentioned Chicago first, no one else: You are minimizing. There are multiple daily shootings in urban Chicago amidst the abandoned and dilapidated buildings.

Are you ready to "flip flop" your stance?" 😂

Gott'em.

Yes I mentioned Chicago first.

My statement is not "trans". I will not flip-flop my stance.

So GQP was right, you were moving the goalposts by mentioning Chicago, even though this wasn't your meme.

Thanks for clearing that up!

What I will own is not checking the author of the meme and confusing you with them.

However, I *always* demand evidence one way or another when a claim is made.

By the way, I was the one who originally replied to you. This is our conversation. You gonna own that?

While I cannot say it isn't Chicago given the data provided by the image there is no indication that it *is* Chicago either.

There is no indication the buildings are abandoned or that they are inhabited, either.

You and ilk spew verbage to muddy the water. But you already know that so I am wasting keystrokes.

You demand evidence of everything but your own dribble.

Googling a keyword, picking the article or data that agrees with your ideology and throwing out the rest, then expounding on the subject as if your quick read makes you the unimpeachable expert on the topic, waffling in response to direct questions - that is what it seems to me is the modus operandi of you and your cronies.

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You indicated that they are dilapidated - neglected. Abandonment is a form of neglect.

I guess you are unfamiliar with the term "drive by".

Or "ricochet"

Up^

Let's see, an entire room full of people with guns, or an empty sidewalk. Gee, I wonder.

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So, I did a google search on "Gun killings at abandoned buildings." and I got a bunch of articles about how gun violence brings down property values.

Then I did a search on "Gun killings at gun ranges" and I got a bunch of news stories about how people were killed at gun ranges.

I'll take the abandoned building.

It's clearly safer.

Waffler.

You left out the part that the vast majority of gun range deaths are suicides.

The building may not be abandoned as you keep suggesting because you are equivocating.

But it very well could be. There is no indication that it is or is not inhabited so we must go by what we see: Nobody - not even a parked car.

The first one shot in the gun-free zone is your mom😏