Before the Liberals took all the fun away

Book, chapter and verse please.

The great bible scholar won't answer?

Leviticus 24:16

Are there any religions who proscribes death as the punishment for blasphemy? You have to go back several thousands of years ago when life was not valued like it was just before Roe v Wade. After Roe liberals took great pleasure in killing their babies.

"when life was not valued like it was just before Roe v Wade"

This statement doesn't make sense

"After Roe liberals took great pleasure in killing their babies"

No they didn't

Well live used to be valued in this country until liberals decided that if they could just kill off their babies then they could have sex without consequences.

Have you listened to the pro-abortionists? They are saying things like "shout your abortion". Some are actually saying they are proud of their abortion. There are a whole lot of you people who actually have taken "great pleasure" in killing their babies.

You keep using incredibly charged language to demonize people who get abortions. "Kill off their babies" implies that they are murdering their offspring after they are born out of convenience, or because they are psychopaths. I don't know how sheltered you are, but I know people who have had abortions, like my aunt, and she is not a psychopath or a bad person at all. She was 16 and not ready to have a child.

Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. It is extremely common and one of the safest medical procedures and entails removal of an embryo or fetus from a person's uterus. Yes, this means the fetus will not continue to grow and eventually be born and live as an infant.

The reason pro-abortionists do "shout your abortion" is to combat the stigma that surrounds abortion. One in four people who can give birth get abortions at some point in their lifetime. Women and fem people have a long history of dealing with patriarchy and discrimination, subordination and abuse, dealing with being condemned as heretics or practicing witchcraft as an excuse to murder them. Today, anti-choicers want to portray those who get abortions as "evil" and guilt them for doing what they thought was right. As feminists we say f**k that.

I don't think someone takes "great pleasure" in having an abortion, though they do overwhelmingly tend to experience relief. People don't want to be ashamed for getting abortions, we don't want to face the risks that come with abortion bans, we want safe, free access to abortion on demand without apology. That is why it has culminated to this point, it is in response to the right.

"Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. It is extremely common and one of the safest medical procedures and entails removal of an embryo or fetus from a person's uterus. Yes, this means the fetus will not continue to grow and eventually be born and live as an infant."

It is not at all safe for the baby. You can euphemize all you want with calling the baby an embryo and fetus. And yes, those are the actual terms for a baby at those stages. That's not what I am talking about. What I am talking about is hiding behind those words so that you can dehumanize the baby. Especially when you are talking about late-term abortions and partial birth abortions. Because that point, we are talking months, weeks, days, minutes or seconds before that baby is out of the mother's womb. We have the technology and medical knowledge so that all babies killed in a late-term abortion could've lived outside of the womb.

We also know that the baby can feel pain at about 20 weeks, probably earlier. That means any abortion after 20 weeks causes a great amount of pain to the child depending on the method used to kill the baby. In some places they literally pull the baby into pieces from inside the womb. I wouldn't say that would be a pleasant experience at all.

At least before Roe was struck down, the state of Utah required that the baby be aestheticized before killing it.

Just because the baby is hidden from view and camouflaged by names like fetus and embryo does not mean that it is any less of a human that you and me.

And what specifically do you think it sounds like to a pro-life person when a woman "shouts her abortion"? But that is not the best example. I couldn't remember some of the other things I have heard pro-infanticide women say. They were saying things like how proud they were of killing their baby.

I am going to stand by my comment that they take "great pleasure" in killing their babies. They don't recognize the baby as human life. They look at it as having their appendix removed or something like that. They cloak it in words like "women's health". All because they cannot physically see the baby and they have been told it is nothing but a clump of cells or inviable tissue mass. It is heartless, cruel and inhuman to think that way. It is just that some people value their convenience over the lives of others.

Again, you are being incredibly unscientific and way too emotional about this, as just about every pro-birther is.

You just admitted the correct term at different stages is zygote, embryo and then a fetus. Call it a baby if you want, that's fine. You simply fail to understand that as long as people can become pregnant, abortion is an unavoidable and necessary thing. These abortion bans are guaranteed to kill people. It's going to tie the hands of doctors even when there are ectopic pregnancies, and people will die because doctors were too afraid of prosecution for providing a life-saving abortion.

There is such thing as a late-term abortion, and Republicans are their own worst enemies by causing them to happen when they introduce stupid restrictions designed to close clinics and restrict access to abortion. They end up getting abortions later than they otherwise would have. Otherwise late-term abortions happen for good reason, either to save a pregnant person's life or because the fetus will not survive. Partial-birth abortions do not exist, so spare me your propaganda.

It is generally agreed that a fetus is not developed enough to understand or feel pain until about 24 weeks gestation. A vast majority of abortions occur before this stage in the pregnancy. Before this point, a fetus' activity is similar to that of a living sea slug.

Infanticide refers to murdering an infant after they are born, so again, you're using charged language that you don't even understand.

The fact of the matter is, you pro-birthers have decided to overturn Roe v. Wade in the name of saving the unborn, when in reality, all you've done is remove safe and legal access to abortion services and put the lives of millions of people at risk. Abortion kills pregnant people where it is illegal. Tens of thousands globally every year. But you decided to prioritize something unborn, that, like I mentioned, has the brain capacity of a shrimp as an embryo and as a fetus is not unlike a sea slug, over the health and safety of a grown birthing person. Abortion bans don't even decrease the amount of abortions that occur. You just hurt and kill the people that get them in unsafe circumstances. Pro-life my f**king ass.

"Again, you are being incredibly unscientific and way too emotional about this, as just about every pro-birther is."

What is unscientific about what I said? Common to all live forms is cell division. When the cell divides that is life. It's pretty straightforward and scientific. If there is no cell division then there is no life. Because a human egg and a human sperm created the cell and begin the process of life then that life is human life. It is not an eggplant, a bull shark or some random part of the mother's anatomy.

"There is such thing as a late-term abortion, and Republicans are their own worst enemies by causing them to happen when they introduce stupid restrictions designed to close clinics and restrict access to abortion."

Oh, so it is the Republicans fault. I didn't realize they had the power to control people's lives. Oh, this poor woman, the Republicans made her have a late-term abortion. Republicans must be really horrible people.

What laws are you talking about anyway? I don't know of any laws from the federal government. There are state laws. Like Texas passed a law that allows the mother to sue the abortion clinic if she had regrets for having the abortion. A law that the left went ballistic over.

"The fact of the matter is, you pro-birthers have decided to overturn Roe v. Wade in the name of saving the unborn, when in reality, all you've done is remove safe and legal access to abortion services and put the lives of millions of people at risk."

And how did we do that? Overturning Roe meant that abortion goes to the state legislators. Of course, all of the blue states are going to keep abortion legal. The same will be true for most of the purple states and even a handful of red states.

Employers are offering money to employees to fly out to a blue state to have an abortion.

I really don't see too much changing from what it was when Roe was the unconstitutional "law" of the land.

Then of course there are the two other words that also start with the letter A that strikes fear into the hearts of the left. Abstinence and Adoption. Those alternatives are always available, and abstinence is free.

The left has been trying to spread this myth that if Roe is overturned then millions of women will be having back-alley abortions. That is just a load of BS. It's just not going to happen.

They also want people to think that every single abortion happens in the 9th month and is a complete horrorfest, with blood and body parts flying around the room. It's absurd, and based on emotion rather than facts.

"The reason pro-abortionists do "shout your abortion" is to combat the stigma that surrounds abortion

Excellent point which I hadn't considered

Yes, it's a talking point that comes up often that Democrats are allowing or are supporting abortion "up until the moment of birth", which, is just not a thing. There are late-term abortions, and this is why it's so ironic that the right takes such strong issue with them... because they're helping to make them happen when they restrict abortion access. You make people have to wait to seek care and scramble to come up with the resources to get the abortion, and they end up getting the service much later than wanted.

The propaganda of late-term abortions is particularly deceiving because otherwise, under Roe, they were almost always limited to a danger to the pregnant person's life or the fetus being unable to survive.

"Well live used to be valued in this country"

That's debatable, especially when you consider how much killing there was going back to the earliest days of this country

"until liberals decided that if they could just kill off their babies then they could have sex without consequences"

Liberals didn't decide that. What liberals decided is that women should have the right to control their own reproductive choices, including abortion. Abortion wasn't legalized because people wanted to have sex without consequences.

"Have you listened to the pro-abortionists? They are saying things like "shout your abortion". Some are actually saying they are proud of their abortion"

Some of them say that, yes. And they don't represent all liberals, or even most liberals.

"That's debatable, especially when you consider how much killing there was going back to the earliest days of this country"

More babies have been butchered than all of the people killed in the early history of this country, including all wars.

"Liberals didn't decide that. What liberals decided is that women should have the right to control their own reproductive choices, including abortion"

You have a right to reproductive choices, excluding killing babies. No one has the right to take innocent person's life away from them. Even if that person his hidden inside of the mother's belly so that you cannot see who you are killing. The Supreme Court's overturning Roe was the right thing to do because Roe twisted a right out of something there never was and they did it with legal wrangling. Two other Court cases introduce language that had nothing to do with the case but was used in the next Court case to build upon it with more words that were irrelevant to the case until they had stair stepped off of those rulings to have just barely enough to justify ruling the way they did for Roe.

This is what happens when you put judicial activist on the court instead of real Constitutionalists. The end result is that Roe because legislation from one of the two branches of government who are forbidden to make law. Justices are not elected by the people, and they do not represent the people, therefore, they are forbidden from making law. If we had Constitutionalists, LIKE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO, we never would have had 9 dictators issuing an edict for all to follow.

What are the Democrats proposing to do to solve the problem of this long overdue piece of crap legislation being overturned? They want to put more dictators on the court so that they will have the majority of dictators and squelch out the Constitutionalists.

You're probably all for that. You don't care if we are ruled by dictators who legislate from the bench.

The one document that was written specifically to protect our freedom, the Constitution, is what our government needs to run by. If you want legislation from the Executive and Judicial branches, then perhaps a one-way ticket to China would be best for you. That way you can live in a dictatorship and have all of your dreams come true.

There never was a right to take the life of human being, regardless of how young or old that human is. Human life begins at conception.

"More babies have been butchered than all of the people killed in the early history of this country, including all wars"

No they haven't

"You have a right to reproductive choices, excluding killing babies"

People should have the right to reproductive choices, including abortion

"No one has the right to take innocent person's life away from them"

Abortion doesn't do that

"This is what happens when you put judicial activist on the court instead of real Constitutionalists"

"Judicial activism" is just a code word for when judges make decisions someone doesn't like

"Justices are not elected by the people, and they do not represent the people, therefore, they are forbidden from making law"

And they didn't

"If we had Constitutionalists, LIKE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO, we never would have had 9 dictators issuing an edict for all to follow"

Do you call it "9 dictators issuing an edict for all to follow" when they struck down laws banning interracial marriage?

"What are the Democrats proposing to do to solve the problem of this long overdue piece of crap legislation being overturned? They want to put more dictators on the court so that they will have the majority of dictators and squelch out the Constitutionalists. You're probably all for that"

Instead of making assumptions, why don't you just ask me what my opinion on court packing is. If you did, I would tell you I'm against it.

"The one document that was written specifically to protect our freedom, the Constitution, is what our government needs to run by"

I agree

"Human life begins at conception"

Yes it does. But personhood doesn't.

Judicial activism is when a judges to not rule based on the Constitution - WHICH IS THEIR JOB - and rule based on political ideology. For you to mitigated it as a simple disagreement is absurd.

But then you do not have any value for human life. If you can kill it in the womb with any remorse, then you can just as easily rationalize to kill it outside of the womb. You can even make excuses (like a handful on your side have done) that it is not human life until it is old enough to be self-aware, i.e., 2 years old. Seriously, what is the difference. If you can rationalize life in one stage of development then why can't you rationalize other times. Like when a person gets too old, you might as well just kill them off.

After all eugenicists, like you, think you have right to determine who lives and who does not.