PUTIN & LAST 4 US PRESIDENTS

Wait what? When did Putin invade Georgia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

Guess you missed the sarcasm in my joke lol

*wipes egg off face* I live in Europe so I automatically thought of the country, not the state. :D

🤣🤣🤣👍

2008 when Bush was president. Did you read the post you are responding to?

It's 2022 have you learned about sarcasm yet?

To be fair, there is absolutely nothing to indicate sarcasm in your post.

Bingo!

Sarcasm usually needs emphasis to work. It’s your own fault people take your words at face value if that is all you have. Especially if it’s a question.

I'm sorry you we're too slow and stupid to catch it. Not my problem 🤷‍♂️

The whole point of communication is to be understood. So, wrong again.

Sarcasm needs emphasis. It rarely works purely in text. Which yours was.

Fewer people would’ve addressed your comment otherwise. So, if you’re frustrated by so many comments, then you do have a problem with it.

Especially, if you’re still replying to explain yourself.

He wanted their peaches 😂

Dropping a MOAB in the first six weeks of your Presidency tends to get peoples attention.

Um... This is a complex situation, that is NOT Biden's fault

Kinda is his fault. Some of it. Also he’s gunna make it worse

I stand corrected. Looks like people have already begun blaming Joe Biden.

Largely because he commands absolutely no respect from other world leaders.

Source? And let's say it's true .... You're saying it as if it isn't the status quo.

My source is I have eyes and ears.

As for status quo, mostly true, but despite what the American left wants people to believe, Trump commanded a lot of respect from other world leaders.

Not the "oh he's such a good guy, I want to be his friend" kind of respect, bug the "ok this guy's obnoxious, but we don't want to piss him off too much" kind of respect, which is exactly thd kind of respect a president needs to earn from guys like Putin and Winnie.

The idea of "mutually assured destruction", while insane on the face of it, was still a deterrent. I'm pretty sure neither Putin nor Winnie are remotely worried about Brandon even having enough mental faculties, let alone balls, to retaliate should they decide to launch nukes.

First... his name is Biden. Let's both be grown ups.

Second, MAD only guarantees that Russia and the United States cannot launch nukes at each other. ItIt still creates a stability-instability paradox which allows a nuclear armed country to invade a non-nuclear country. It would be like if the US held Mexico hostage. Technically, nothing Russia nor rest of the world could do about it if we did. In fact, we kinda did do that with Iraq.

Third, if Russia is launching nukes, then we're launching nukes and vice versa. So, no one is going to launch nukes. Though Putin did make a veiled threat to retaliate with historical proportions if there were any interference; but I suspect that's just a bluff. He knows the US wouldn't risk a nuclear attack from Russia and he knows the American people have no desire to enter into another war after Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan

Fourthly, you've presented an opinion and not a fact.

It's noted that you think world leaders do not respect Biden. It's irrelevant to the conversation nor is it based on fact.

It's telling how you want to "be grown ups" about Brandon, but make no mention of Winnie.

Your second point isn't actually a point so much as irrelevant exposition.

Your third point actually addresses what I was talking about, because yes, Putzin did implicitly threaten to launch nukes, precisely because he has no respect for Brandon.

As for your fourth point, obviously I was stating an opinion, based on observation. And it's just as valid an opinion as those people who think he IS respected. (Whose numbers are rapidly dwindling, mind you.)

You know, Biden's numbers may go up after this.

But who knows? The media machine is pretty strong on the Republican front as the so-called MSM was against Trump.

Otherwise, Hillary would've been President. ;)

I doubt Russia will utilize a Nuclear first strike. Putin's spin machine has been utilizing a global narrative that because the US made the first major nuclear strike, we're the bad guys. It wouldn't be good for his narrative to now make that same show on us.

Especially since that effort would not render the same results that ours did in the immediate aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It would only result in what you called "irrelevant" exposition.

Strange, considering world leaders are following his cue to sanction Russia. But… okay.

But do the sanctions really matter now that we buy millions of dollars worth of oil from the Russians every month?

Short term, no. It won't stop Russia from doing what they're doing now.

Long term? Yes, the ramifications of so many countries joining in these sanctions may hurt Russia for generations.

That does make sense. I think it's good that the smaller countries are doing their best to help out.

But still, we should stop canceling our own oil industry and buying from Russia instead. The gas makes just as much CO2 no mater where it comes from. But when it comes from Russia, it not only pollutes the atmosphere but also fuels Putin's ability to do things like invade and enslave Ukraine.

I guess my point is the sanctions would be a lot more effective if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot by doing business with the state-run Russian petroleum industry.

They're not following his cue, the US wasn't even the first to sanction. The EU and the UK sanctioned before America did.

February 22nd US announces sanctions on Russia.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/02/22/remarks-by-president-biden-announcing-response-to-russian-actions-in-ukraine/

Februrary 23rd UK announces sanctions on Russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60476137

February 24th EU announces sanctions on Russia.

https://euobserver.com/world/154423

But please, if my timeline needs correcting, I'll happily accept any corrections if I missed anything.

Regardless, if my timeline is inaccurate, the US, the UK, and the EU; as well as many countries are united in their efforts. Hardly a thing that wouldn't happen if there was no mutual respect. Even the EU and UK respected Trump. Let's not get carried away with political euphemism and forget the real problem.

Putin.

Following his cue to do nothing of substance that would actually deter Putin and cause him to withdraw.

What would you have them do?

Yeah, when he said we weren't doing jack when Russia invades Ukraine (sanctions), that's when Putin decided to go ahead with it.

Putin has been planning this invasion for years. He went ahead with it because Ukraine was trying to join NATO to get their protection from him.

If true, it would seem their fear was valid.

And I'm assuming you mean he went ahead with it NOW (at this time) because they were trying to.

And what would you have him have the US do... Attack Russia?

I mean who even gives a f*ck considering 75% of America will be dead in less than 8 years anyway..... right Loki?
;P

Pretty much. More and more studies are confirming the 6 to 8 year thing by the way.

Riiiight. I guess I'll see on the other side brother.

Do... do they really not know why we can't liberate Ukraine?

Oh Jesus Christ these Charter and private schools need to be reigned in.

Its not about liberating Ukraine. It's the fact we are not supposed to get into foreign entanglements at all in the US.

We’ve been in foreign entanglements since World War I. And, arguably, been doing so every decade since then. What do you mean we’re not suppose to? Where is that written? Now, if you mean you wish the US was more isolationist? Fine. That’s great, and it’s a very widespread opinion. The trouble is we’re capitalists and capitalism loves competition and competition is more profitable with foreign businesses and recognizing a global market. And when corporate interests remain the sole interest of millionaires and billionaires and politicians rely on them to grow our economy and keep unemployment down through tax breaks; then that way leads to globalization. Isolationism is a good dream but it’s unrealistic in every progressive (not political progressive but the profit machine) scenario. It’s either move or die in the world of business. And isolationism is antithetical to that.

The original founders of the constitution designed it so we wouldn't do that. Read up on it.

I thought Biden was down with WWIII, tho?

Feel better now?

On some level..... yes.
It's comforting to see someone else here recognize that reaction as a parallel. For good or for bad, we're human.

Before Trump everything was Obama's fault.

When Obama was in office, everything was Bush’s fault.

Oh, how quickly they forget....

The Bush Recession, costs for the Afghan & Iraq Wars and TARP, the Russian invasion of Georgia, North Korea getting nukes... all blamed on Obama. Even nearly a third of New Orlean residents polled during his presidency believe Katrina and the mess of a delayed response occured during Obama...

Obama blamed everything on Bush, including Katrina (climate change). Obama made weak threats to N Korea that he had no intention of backing … and they knew it. That’s why their missile tests we on unabated. Oh how quickly they forget…

Obama did not blame Katrina on Climate Change from Bush, that's silly.

Obama did not make threats to N Korea which is why their missile tests went on unabated because he wasn't president in 2006 when they developed the bomb.

I knew you'd walk into that one. They always do.

Oh, how quickly they forget…

Obama and his ilk repeatedly blamed storms like Katrina on climate change and blamed republican leaders for not getting on the human-caused greenhouse gasses bandwagon. So, yes, he did Blame bush.

As for N Korea, they only did their first test in 2006. In 2014 they were planning another test and Obama threatened further sanctions against them “with more bite”. So you’re wrong on 2 accounts. N Korea didn’t develop the bomb in 2006 and Obama did make threats.

You walked into that because you quickly forgot 😂

You ARE aware that your silly attempts at trying to sustain your bot lies merely serve to prove what I pointed out, yes?

I said some of it

Ok so which part of it are you saying is Biden's fault?

Him not doing anything to really stop it and instead just saying over and over again that Putin is gunna attack ukraine and sending troops to ukraine, which is really dumb because if those troops get killed, Biden’s gunna declare war on Russia and then it’s gunna get really bas

So, it’s Biden’s fault that Putin invaded Ukraine but it isn’t because he didn’t declare war on Russia before the invasion nor sanction Russia for pre-emotive wrongdoing and it’ll be bad when Troops died just because Biden sent them. Okay, it’s somewhat logical.

Have you considered it’s more Putin’s fault?

Oh yea I’m just saying some is Biden’s fault

Except it’s all Putin’s fault.

He is just as much of a fascist national socialist as those he claims to be invading and “protecting”, which they’re not. He wants Ukraine and he’s ready to strike back with nuclear weapons.

Putin and the rest of the KGB are still operating under the mindset that expanded borders means more control. He keeps forgetting that this is precisely why he lost the Cold War. We should’ve abandoned the mindset of a country being too big to sink last century.

And we almost did!

Putin is whining about rigged elections and has the military on his side when things don’t go his way.

Trump wishes he could do to Georgia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania what Putin is doing to Ukraine right now.

Overturn the will of the people.

Why bring Trump into it?

Because the OP wrongfully believes Trump had anything to do with Putin respecting borders.

Both Trump and Putin lie to back personal agendas and pretend they’re for the national good.

Both are wrong.

Putin doesn’t make look Trump look strong, if anything, he makes him weaker because Trump frequently pines that he does not have that same kind of authority here.

In this whole instance I don’t believe that Russia or Ukraine is a good guy. I believe they’re both bad guys and other countries have been involved with it since before Russia invaded

Um... he gave Putin the green light... so

“This war and suffering could have easily been avoided if Biden Admin/NATO had simply acknowledged Russia’s legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine’s becoming a member of NATO, which would mean US/NATO forces right on Russia’s border.”

Oh look, a patriot that sides with Pootys concerns of Ukraine becoming a member of Nato. How times have changed in America. Great job comrade!

That was actually a quote from Tulsi Gabbard... ignorant troll...

Nice name call. The quote source has nothing to do with my reply. I was replying to your opinion of Biden green lighting it.

That is the only reason he (pooty poot) is doing this. If they were to join, he WOULD never get the BAND BACK TOGETHER!

Name call? "comrade"?

hahahahaha Hypocrite

Comrade offends you, huh? I dont believe you.

Yup... and your ilk and you called Tusli a Russian agent because she told the truth about Kamala and Hillary... LOL

So Tulsi is a Russian agent?... LOL.... more lies... thanks

Putting words in my mouth? Where did i post that? Your mistake was placing me into your ILK BOX.

My meme was a way of saying....

That’s what you get for quoting a stupid Democrat who actually makes Russian talking points.

Ukraine becoming a member of NATO is Ukraine’s business. Not Russia, nor the US.

Now it’s our business to make Russia an example.

And it’s Putin who started it. Not Ukraine.

His excuses are horseshit.

What? Like 0bama and Bush did??

If they ever did, yeah.

Maybe don’t be making Russian talking points. Especially if your source is Democrat. Your true colors are showing...

Yup... sure... Bush, 0bama and Biden all gave away land to Putin on their watches... OOPS

Europe would still be sanctioning and condemning Russia, though.

But Trump would’ve joined Xi in standing back and standing by in addition to congratulating Putin’s peacekeeping efforts.

Maybe even thrown a bit of that: “Putin is just taking back his own lands from the corrupt Democrats” Shtick.

Psaki Says Biden Didn’t Mean Comment That “No One Expected the Sanctions to Prevent Anything From Happening”... OOPS

Yup. We’ve spent decades sanctioning and negotiating with Russia while they’ve built back their arsenals and military.

It’s clear Russia wants war. They just didn’t want to make the first move. They think taking back Ukraine will escalate that with NATO and the UN.

Our options are to either do nothing or stop them.

He knows the US’s resolve, not it’s military might, is weakened. And he thinks if we will stay out the rest of the UN will too.

And he might be right!

That doesn’t mean invading Ukraine was genius.

It just means Putin is a scumbag and people who thought he could be negotiated with or support him in anyway are scumbags too!

Biden dropped the sanctions that were on Putin's Nordstream pipeline & simultaneously cancelled the American/Canadian Keystone pipeline making Western Europe more dependent on Russian gas & less able to stand up to Putin in substance.
Then he showed American weakness and complete incompetence in Afghanistan.

Complete incompetence in general.

And yet it's 'Trump's Fault!'

Yea he did something no military leader would dream of.

As the leader of NATO, at least some responsibility lies with Biden.