endorsement from 57 authors from 17 countries urging that Covid-19 jabs be stopped...

"I got the vaccine. . .You have your freedoms" ~Donald Trump
"Get the jab or else" ~Joe Biden

You can never forget about him. He owns your every thought.

Yet, he was right about one thing, at least. Vaccines work.

Fake news.

He also called CNN fake news

I said at least.

Thanks for playing.

Awwww someone's all salty. There there

Just because I respond to you doesn’t make me salty. If that was how saltiness were measured, you’d be quite the french fry.

Well, I said that as you repeated a line I gave you not an hour ago. But hey, at least it got me a decently humorous post from you.

Oh, but I use that line too. I just assumed you were using my own line against me. Ha.

It is a good line isn’t it? I typically use it when no one is making a real political point in the politics page.

Which is often, unfortunately.

Ha, didn't realize that. It does have a decent amount of snark.

Ha, one thing I do not trust is anyone, ANYONE, falsely claiming the vaccines "work".

Do you have physiological evidence that they don't?

I don't have to prove that vaccines don't work, that does not make any logical sense.
It's not my product, you can't always prove a negative.

This is you moving the goal-post yet again.
You and the vaccine makers can't physiologically prove that vaccines "work" so then you beg government to give you immunity from lawsuits, because Merck and Bayer were caught red-handed deliberately created products specifically using SIDS/SIV-infected animals to produce their products.

SO you move the goal post, saying that I have to prove the vaccines don't work, that's hilarious, I'm not the one advocating people inject things that aren't proven to work in the first place, so why should I have to prove they don't work?

Hilarious goal post move, bro, you moved it onto the sun's surface.

So, you don't have proof they don't work. Awesome.

The CDC confirms they don't work, the vaccines themselves prove they don't work.

YOU say that I don't have proof, when they are the vaccine "scientists" that have all the labs, data, participants, let me know when you can fund all of my research/testing that I'll do, fluff me up with billions of infrastructure that the CDC and FDA has, and then I'll prove what DAMAGES that vaccines cause, which has already been physiologically proven in Oct 2002 with the CDC's own study over the spring/summer 2020.

I said I don't have to prove they don't work, they have to prove they do work and not harm, and also they need to be held liable for damages.

So because you can't(and they can't) prove vaccine benefits, you move the goal post and claim that I need to prove anything.

I don't have to prove anything, it's not my product, they're injecting people with their product, that's on them to prove it is safe, which they have not.

I'm not to blame for any proof or lack thereof of vaccine-benefits, you and the vaccine manufacturers are.

Don't blame me or put onto me the responsibility to prove an unproven vaccine lol I won't waste my time, because CDC already has, they even released their conference, but I bet you haven't even listened to it. Oct 2020 CDC when they go over the side-effects, go listen to all of it you cowardly liar.

I'm not invasive onto anyone's lives. Vaccines and mandates are, physically invasive into someone's lives/bodies, physically.

They have to prove their injections 1) work 2) are safe 3) are effective at working and effective at maintaining a pattern of immunity, not just immune-responses to the vaccine-ingredients.

Try to stay on topic.

Trump thinks if you don't want the vaccine then don't get it and the government shouldn't interfere with that decision at all.

But he still thinks vaccines work.

"Try to stay on topic."

---- I didn't slide away from the topic. You are lying. This conversation is going to get cut early, if you continue to lie.

"Trump thinks if you don't want the vaccine then don't get it and the government shouldn't interfere with that decision at all."

--- And Trump is not POTUS, so why does that matter what Trump says? I say the same thing here, that if you don't want the vaccine then don't get it and that the government shouldn't interfere with your medical freedom at all, not even what they're doing pressuring private businesses, that pushed the line, especially when USPS and even White House staff do NOT have to take the vaccine but keep their job, that's abuse of power.

"But he still thinks vaccines work." --- So what? Your appeal of authority is not an argument.

Except within the context, my appeal to authority is relevant considering the comment I was originally replying to.

No context to bring up Trump or Trump's beliefs, so you're just outing yourself as TDS, typical fascist leftist liar that loves to see Americans harmed by vaccine(poisons).

I'm not lying.

Trump thinks vaccines work. This is a fact.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/23/donald-trump-tells-alabama-rally-covid-19-vaccine-gets-booed/8237487002/

What is your fascination of repeating your same lies that mean nothing to me?
I didn't say the lie is that Trump thinks the vaccine works, I'm saying that is a LIE, that "vaccines work" they do not.

"vaccines work" is a lie.

Many are proven to work and have been routinely given for decades. We can’t necessarily say the same for the Covid vaccines yet as conflicting data is still being evaluated. That’s the science. There is no long term efficacy data as they are new.

Makes sense but the data has to come from somewhere and given how critical the pandemic is, it makes perfect sense to administer it to the public at large.

It may surprise you to learn that I'm somewhat sympathetic to people who are against mandates, yet I do think that at some point, authority should be given to dictate whether or not employees should or should not be vaccinated for an ongoing pandemic. I do agree it should be up to the employers to decide this but not necessarily to dictate to their employees that they SHOULDN'T get vaccinated.

It makes sense that an employer would want their customers to feel safe within their place of business. Especially if that business has a face-to-face customer service that cannot be conducted or otherwise transacted in another way. Such as medical workers, in-person customer service, technicians, educators. If those people are so adamant about the vaccine, then, I'm sorry but you will have to basically find another job where you're not exposed to the public and can transmit the disease... or just cave and get the vaccine.

The reality is, legally, no, you can't be forced to take a vaccine. You're not going to be physically restrained and given a vaccine by any legitimate public health authority in the U.S. at the federal, state, tribal and local levels. But that doesn't mean the government can't mandate that certain individuals must get the vaccine if they choose to remain employed. And while you can argue that that's not really much a choice, you're right, but the fact of the matter is; there are legal precedents that allow the government to do that.

The Dara has to be given time to develop and be reviewed scientifically without political bias. The FDA rejecting boosters was an anomally, but proof that pushing it like the Biden Administration has is more a political construct.

There was a time when most Americans wouldn’t question the CDC because they were seen as non political medical scientists. Not anymore and the lack of confidence by Americans in their dictates can be expected even if detested by the left. Too bad, embrace the suck they have created.

"The Dara has to be given time to develop"

And you need to introduce the vaccine to a wide range of people to get that data.

"and be reviewed scientifically without political bias."

It is.

"The FDA rejecting boosters was an anomally."

Or it was proof that the data is being scientifically reviewed without political bias.

"Pushing it like the Biden Administration has is more a political construct."

You're not wrong. It is political but it's primarily medically motivated. I think everyone, no matter where they fall politically, seems to agree that getting through this pandemic is the goal. It's just that the Democrats want to run it again on their third down, while a few conservatives are just wanting to punt it.

"There was a time when most Americans wouldn’t question the CDC because they were seen as non political medical scientists. Not anymore and the lack of confidence by Americans in their dictates can be expected even if detested by the left. "

I disagree. Whether or not the public view the CDC as political is irrelevant as to whether not they actually are political. If you had told me that the CDC was now operating within only political perimeters or that some of it's perimeters were dictated by political motivations; I'd have to ask you to back that up. You avoid that by saying the public views them as political; which again, as I've already said, it's irrelevant. Facts matter more than what the public feels.

Public trust in the governmental health organizations is absolutely relevant when it comes to acceptance of its policy and pronouncements dictating national health care. The CDC is on par with the FBI when it comes to public trust and that’s a big slide from where it was.

Public trust in the CDC is no more relevant than the opinions of the Church in conjunction to the advancement of scientific ideas and theories in the days when that would be considered heresy.

Yes, the public's trust does matter if they want to have the level of cooperation to nip this pandemic in the bud. You want to know why we're 18 months from 2 weeks to flatten the curve? Lack of cooperation and trust from the public.

The public may have an irrational distrust of scientists which comes from the fact that they too often don't understand what is being told to them, why they have to cooperate, and how they can realistic do these things. And sure, part of that blame can be placed on scientists but in 2020 they were chasing data that was constantly changing; and with it, with each time they gave their reports, we had to change our minds. Which asking millions or billions of people to change their mind, especially these days, in such a short period of time, is a lot.

That does NOT mean scientists should be given full autonomy but it also does NOT mean we have no responsibility to actually follow-up on the research. The problem is, the CDC has addressed every misinformation point out there and people STILL do not believe them.
That is why I call that irrational. And part of that problem may stem from another underlying problem in terms of our education.

Hopefully, this debacle may get Republicans to take our education issues more seriously. Especially if their voters become ill because they've been chased away from mainstream news sources to any podcast and youtube video that gives them alternative facts that sates their personal confirmation biases.

Yes the peons aren’t as educated as you are Captain Rino elitist. That doesn’t mean they lack any horse sense. It’s very simple, speak plainly and tell the truth. Unfortunately this administration is unable to do that. The CDC has repeatedly not followed the science and failed to conduct its own studies because they are busy pushing political objectives.