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my dude the majority of people in the US are leftists now (sadly), we can expect things like this. i'm sure that in the next few years the government will have socialist laws and have removed the second amendment unless more people use their brains

Actually the majority are centrist conservatives. It's only an illusion that anyone is leftist. (Less than 24%)

i'm not trying to start an argument, but where did you get that information? (i'm a conservative generally, so i'm not trying to start an argument)

There are surveys where they don't ask what party you belong to but they ask your view on specific issues and they found that most people fall into the center right category and only 24% are far left. You can search for them on the internet.

Ok

Hey....those are about the numbers I came up with.(21%).
The left isn't real. They had to bus the 1 rtard from each town just to have a rally

I agree and it will get much worse. The left controls nearly all media at this point. They will continue to tighten the rules until soon you will not be able to post anything at all because everything is considered volatile especially if it is not the left view points.

they can remove amendments, for example there used to be an amendment banning whiskey that got removed

ok, you're smarter than me I get it.

there's still a lot of leftists out there, it could happen if they did it in that way

They can find ways to make it obsolete. I'm not sure what part of "shall not be infringed" they don't understand.

Oh wait, Dear Leader is on sabbatical.

"That IS what Jesus taught, not some St Augustine quote filtered through Ghandi and further altered under the guise of something Jesus said that you referred to in your quest to violate the "Judge not lest ye be judged" clause because "He who is without sin cast the first stone" wasn't enough to give you the hint."

You, of course, have no idea what you are talking about.

As to "Judge not lest you be judged", Jesus went on to say this, "For in the same manner in which you judge, you will be judged." I am OK with being judged fairly and accurately. Elsewhere the Bible tells us that Christians are to judge all things. I am not rendering judgment on anyone's eternity- God has not given me the authority to do so, and neither would I want it, but I can make right judgments and let others know of the danger their souls are in. Yours in particular is hanging by a thread over the fires of Hell.

"Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum,"
- St. Augustine, Letter 221
(roughly translates into "With love for mankind and hatred of sins.")

"Hate the sin and not the sinner"
- Mohandas Gandhi, from his 1929 autobiography.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you."
- Matthew 7:1-3

Hey, keep your lies a'pumpin because Jayzuz luvz when ya lie in his name.

See you in Hell.

St. Augustine- while brilliant, not part of the Word of God. Another way of saying it is the simple phrase, "Hate the sin, love the sinner." God does not send the sin to Hell.

Gandhi did not place his faith in Jesus Christ, he therefore is in Hell today awaiting Judgment Day.

Matthew 7- like the rest of the Bible, you do not understand what you are quoting. This is obvious given that I already explained the concept of right judgment to you.

As my salvation is not dependent on being perfect or not (not), it is secured by God Himself- you will not be seeing me in Hell should you decide that is where you want to go. I am pretty sure you will be seeing no one there, in spite of the fact that the majority of humanity will be there- you will be too preoccupied with your terrible situation to be able to notice is anyone else is there with you.

Kidding much, Capt Obvious?

If it makes you feel any better neither is the whole of the New Testament, hence why it was written by the authority of Son of the Jackal, seated in Rome, who would steal the Word of the Chosen and call it his own, but not before corrupting it beyond recognition.

Irony being that the mythological "Jesus" figure was closer to Hinduism (Hare Krishna) than Judaism, see above.

You distorted Mattew 7:1-3 to suit your own heathen purposes, like a proper pagan and charlatan, again, see above re: Son of the Jackal.

Your bogus salvation is not yours to determine. Yahweh don't like it, and I get the sneaking suspicion you're not one of HIS Chosen, anyways, are you, pagan? Not that Heaven is in the Torah anyways. See above, re: Son of Jackal.

No worries, though, "Hell" means hole in the ground, death, or is a reference to Gehenna - a currently pleasant bucolic suburb in Israel.
A little sunscreen, and you'll be fine. Sorta.

You are really nothing but a snide, self-absorbed nasty little troll . . . and you are most definitely not as smart as you think you are. Everything you have been saying is simply wrong.

What IS most definite is that they only one who said anything about me being "smart" is you, toots, so it is you who is thinking about it. Your insecurity glares like a deer caught in the middle of a Nevada nuclear testing facility.

You haven't said a thing to prove anything wrong other than your own hypocritical distortions of the Bible. Sheesh, YOU quoted Augustine as scripture, then cordially reminded me he wasn't when I posted the actual quote. You told someone else Leviticus said homosexuality is a sin, then next thing you're saying that Leviticus was rendered irrelevant by Jesus (which is total bull).

Perhaps getting your lies straight might be more conducive to conning the chorus, but they're already just a flock of clueless pagans like yourself who thinks getting their cute little heads dunked in a bucket of water makes them born again, and puts them on the list of the 144,000 Sainted JEWS who will enter the Pearly Gates, with a handful of others from other faiths.

You are in violation of "Thou shalt... not lie" & "... not bear false witness" and the "Judge not" clause.

The best part? No matter how much you pretend you can fool yourself and the rest of these darling angel apprentices, you can't quite get rid of that sulphurous odor wafting round the vast gaseous expanse that is your adorable head.
You don't really believe in Hell, but there's still that naive child lurking inside who shakes in fear that it might real, and you can't rid yourself of the thought that maybe, just MAYBE, you're right.

Say hello to death eternal, my Mithra worshipping follower of the Beast!

It's only a matter of time before straight leftards will suck dick to prove they're not homophobic.

It's only a matter of time before there are no straight leftards.

Pretty much that is now. I know of no hetero leftists.

I take it you're new here and haven't noticed this is a Rightist site where your dreaded Weftists and others often get retribution timers for flagging Alt Righties?

It's a tragedy in the making

Surprisingly there's only one small one of that image I could find here, and looking offsite took some doing too.

Always turning up when you don't need them either...

Yep . . . more and more they are slipping to the WOKE side. I bet that the owners of Imageflip have been warned by the Gestapo minded leftist PC police that they need to be more ideologically . . . sympatico . . . or else.

Theyll pull those sweeeeeeet ads

I’m a Christian but many of us can open up a lot more room in our hearts on this!

Jesus said to LOVE EVERYBODY and he died on the cross to forgive EVERYONE of sin — gay people are not the only ones guilty of being human!!

"Love the sinner, hate the sin."

But Jesus doesn't send the sin to Hell, He sends the sinner to Hell. It is a terribly incomplete truth to state that He died on the cross to forgive EVERYONE of sin, since that is not the whole of the story.

If you repent and place your faith in His work on the cross, you have accepted the free gift of salvation. But just as you cannot experience an earthly gift if you do not unwrap it, so too you cannot avail yourself of His forgiveness unless you accept His terms. (Ephesians 2:8-10; Romans 10:8-13)

You CANNOT have your sin and Jesus too. The majority of all people will end up in Hell. (Matthew 7:13-14)

Every person who has ever lived, is alive today, and will be born in the future, is a sinner, and therefore automatically condemned (John 3:18), and no one is truly a child of God until they truly believe in Him (John 1:12-13)

It is UNLOVING to not warn others of the pending wrath of God headed their way because they love their sin more than they love God.

This same Jesus you speak of, also says this:

Revelation 21:7-8

The one who conquers will have this heritage,
and I will be his God
and he will be My son.

But as for the cowardly,
the faithless,
the detestable,
as for murderers,
the sexually immoral, <<<
sorcerers,
idolaters,
and all liars,
their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire
and sulfur,
which is the second death.

thats a lot of verses wow! but thats not the Jesus I know. ✝️ ♥️ He’s really not about condemning ppl! He saved that prostitute from stoning! I’m confused. it seems like you can pick out Bible verses to say anything :(

"but thats not the Jesus I know"

I am truly not trying to be harsh, but then the "Jesus" you know is not the Jesus of the Bible, and you have placed your faith in a false god.

That IS a lot of verses, which support what I am trying to tell you. As far as picking verses to say anything, that can be done, but then you should be able to point out how I have taken them out of context.

You cannot have your sin, and have Jesus too. That is NOT to say that we will not continue to sin, but it is one thing to be a sinner repenting for their sin, it is another thing altogether to say that it is OK to sin, and that there is nothing wrong with continuing to sin. A born again person, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, hates their sin and they look to God to help them turn away from it.

And for anyone that calls themselves a Christian, there can hardly be anything worse than encouraging someone to continue in the sin that God hates. This is called enabling in modern parlance, and it is enabling someone to rebel against their Creator.

Matthew 18:7
Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes!

You referred to the event where Jesus saved the prostitute from stoning to make your point, which means to me that you are not aware of what happened next. What Jesus said to her applies to us all and whatever sins we are guilty of. This would include the sin of homosexuality.

Emphasis added-

Matthew 8:10-11
Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
She said, “No one, Lord.”
And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; Go, ***and from now on sin no more***.”

The Word of God tells us more about Hell than it does about Heaven, and we see this brought out in full detail in the Book of Revelation. The "Jesus" you believe in is not to be found in Revelation. Depending on how off the mark you are, I fear that the Jesus you believe in cannot save you.

DTuck, I am deeply impressed by your knowledge of the Gospel message.

I want to invite you to my stream: imgflip.com/m/Evangelicalism There, you get to learn more about your faith, but I suspect that you only have a little more to learn. You seemed quite knowledgeable with the scriptures.

And, here is another stream you can join: imgflip.com/m/Christian-clean-meme

It is not however, populated by Evangelicals as there are all kinds of people who say they believe in Christ, including Catholics, but at least you get to fellowship with Evangelicals who are there.

Thank you! I will follow them both.

You're welcome; and I look forward to getting to know, and fellowshipping with you. :)

I thought I had seen where you commented about your general beliefs, but I cannot find it to reply to.

God first took me to a non-denominational church, Grace Brethren, which as a whole is a very sound organization. They are all autonomous, though GB still expects adherence to the essentials to allow the name to be involved.

From there, to a non-denominational Baptist church, and then once we enrolled our sons in a local Christian school, we joined the church that runs it- a Bible Church. All were on the same page in essence, since they adhered to Sola Scriptura. All have Statements of Faith that would approximate the Creeds, but were not creedal in the normal sense.

As to Calvinism, I am at best a 3 point Calvinist based on what I find in the Scriptures, as well as the contradiction I see in pastors who hold all 5 points, but cannot help but use language that eludes to free will, since it is brought up within the Bible.

I was originally a rabid liberal Democrat and an atheist. I at least availed myself of the sense God gave me and "converted" to agnosticism, since it is impossible to prove that God does not exist. God saved my through the preaching of His Word, and did so in a manner which continues to bolster my faith to this day.

I am also a cessationist- based on the Scriptures, I do not believe the sign gifts are extant today.
I heard a pastor preach once that "so long as you didn't show up to church today with a blood sacrifice, you are a dispensationist!" I would agree.
Pre-trib & pre-millennial.

Hi DTuck. I've withdrew my beliefs as I thought I looked too eager to converse. I haven't fellowshipped with a like-minded believer in quite a while.

Well, I am also a Baptist; specifically matching the 1689 London Baptist Confession.

I am also a Pre-millenial, Pre-trib Dispensationist (which consequently made me pro-Zionist); wonderful to meet another Baptist and one who believes in Dispensationalism!

And, I happened to be a Cessationist! While I believe that miracles still happen, Apostolic miracles ceased once the New Testament was complete. We no longer need Tongues, Prophecies, and Dreams to edify the church.

The only thing we do not agree fully is on Calvinism; but to me, as long as you believe in eternal security (Perseverance of the Saints), I would not be worried for you. I was once an Arminian myself, a four point Calvinist, but after being recommended videos to watch, was "Converted". Thankfully though, I've never reached the "Cage Stage" many newly converted Calvinists goes through.

Politically, I am with you. I am a Conservative Republican who used to lean left who is a pacifist, environmentalist, feminist, and a candidate for woke-ness when I was quite young, but now a center-right to right.

"Jesus’ mercy is boundless and not capable of human understanding . . . "

As is His wrath.
As is His love.
As is His judgment.
As is His holiness.

Psalm 5:4-6
For You are not a God Who delights in wickedness;
Evil may not dwell with You.
The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes;
You hate all evildoers.
You destroy those who speak lies;
The LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

i know that were all sinners, thats why Jesus gabe the ultimate gift to help set us free. its human nature to sin and God sent us His son to redeem us!

Yes Jesus told the w**re go forth and sin no more but He still saved her! Everyone else have killed her! We must try not to sin but And even if she fell again He would have saved her again that is the moral of the story as far as I see.

I just see a lot of focus from us these days on homosexuals? Like they are being singled out when were all guilty on some level?? He didnt die just for the gays he died for us all!

Jesus’ mercy is boundless and not capable of human understanding and not limited by our own prejudice, which is also a sin!

It is not "prejudice" to tell someone to repent of their sin. The only reason I know of that there is so much focus on homosexuals is thanks to the radical groups that push this sinful lifestyle into every area of our lives. If they kept their sexual proclivities to themselves, as most of us do, there would be little focus, if any.

But because they have embraced their sin in defiance of God, they not only insist on "equal rights", but also that we change our thinking to agree with them that there is nothing wrong with it. This puts the true Christian in a bind, as they would be unloving to both them and to God if they failed to warn them of the wrath they are stacking up for Judgment Day.

And there will be a Judgment Day. As I already said, Jesus talks more about Hell than He does Heaven.

What do you make of this statement made by the Jesus of the Bible?

Matthew 7:13-14

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

I just thinks theres a lot of hypocrisy in our Christian faith as far as tolerating and covering up abuses and even sexual abuses within our own house and focusing fire on those different from us. Heck even Trump’s marriages weren’t exactly perfect and he strayed even though I love him and Melania!!! She forgave him & so does Jesus!

Straight or gay its all sin. & Gay people arent any more inclined to the sin of lust than straight people. Not that I can see. Yes, the gate is narrow and it’s narrow for us all.

"Gay people arent any more inclined to the sin of lust than straight people"

That is not necessarily true. The sin of homosexuality goes beyond many of the other sexual immoralities, to the degree that God uses it as a form of punishment on a society that has turned its back on Him- read Romans 1. The open, rampant display of homosexuality in a society is a sign that that society is under the wrath and judgment of God- this is very, very serious.

And as previously noted, straight people are not pushing their sin as something to be celebrated, although many false Christian leaders do in fact essentially do just that- the health and wealth preachers promote the sin of greed.
June has been touted as "Gay Pride Month"- sin is nothing to be proud of.

You seem to have a universalist approach to who will be saved and who will not. Jesus also talked about separating the "sheep from the goats". The sheep are His and know His voice and will spend eternity in His presence. The goats are those who have chosen to remain in their sin, and are condemned to eternal punishment.

He also said that those who love Him will obey His commands. If you love Him, then you will want to know what those commands are, which are found in His Word. I suspect that there is some sin that you are involved in that you do not want to let go of, and therefore are looking for ways to allow it to continue in your own life.

Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

Psalm 12:8 On every side the wicked prowl, as vileness is exalted among the children of man.

1 John 1:6-9

If we say we have fellowship with Him while we walk in darkness [sin],
we lie and do not practice the truth.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
---

I can assure you of this, confessing sin without repenting of it, which means to turn away from it, is a false confession. A person who does that is not forgiven, and they remain in their sin.

I agree with what you say. I look at homosexuality like I do adultery. Even though both lifestyles are legal by man’s laws, they are immoral by God’s laws. But we don’t see a lot of people who practice adultery trying to get the rest of us to accept their lifestyle as normal. There are no Adultery parades and pride months. Adulterers haven’t demanded that society change the definition of marriage to include their lifestyle . . . yet. But it doesn’t matter what society accepts, both lifestyles ultimately lead to sorrow, which is why God teaches against them. Having said that, homosexuals and adulterers still shouldn’t be denied basic civil rights and God doesn’t expect us to deny them that.

I am not going to provide a list for someone who didn't read the reply.

Oh, Trump BRAGGED about adultery but his Evangelical base said that's ok, Jesus saves, and as we saw him looking at Barack HUSSEIN Obama to see how to proceed in mass (sit, stand, open mouth when everyone said that "Our Father who something something" thingy), he's a good ol' fashioned Church going man.

Trump’s evangelical base said his adultery was ok? Oh, right, if anyone voted for Trump it means they approve of every aspect of the man.

So does that mean anyone who voted for Biden says rape, unwanted touching, and racial segregation are OK? Just wondering what it’s like there in fantasyland, do they have rides too?

You been on this site long, or Planet Earth for that matter?
Whataboutism are so peachy. BFF Epstein next?

I never got bit by a bat, does that mean I'm all for that also?

LOL
“Oh, Trump BRAGGED about adultery but his Evangelical base said that's ok,”
Is this the whataboutism you’re talking about? You’re a victim of your own hypocracy. 😂

“And somebody acting on their same-sex attractions isn't necessarily harmful”
Correct, especially if they’re married to each other.

You’ve been given plenty of reasons how. I and others have had this same debate with you before. You just don’t want to recognize anything that’s contrary to your opinion.

“The act of adultery isn't about being married to the person you're committing adultery with, it's about having sex with someone you're not married to”
And, thus, adultery is about marriage and sex. Are you seeing how they correlate yet?

“They're immoral according to you. But that's just your opinion”
And them not being immoral is your opinion. Rather than going over how homosexuality is harmful to society, again, how about you explain how it benefits society.

You are?
You literally paraphrased what I said yet again for the nth time, and tried to call it your own.

Perhaps mummzie should give you your binky and change your nappies and tuck you in.

No, you won't believe in anything that's contrary to your opinion. There is plenty of evidence supporting the afterlife - documented in scripture as well as personal accounts from people who died and were revived.

That’s like saying there is no life anywhere else in the universe because no one has ever found life anywhere but on earth.

No, guy, the whataboutism I referred to was you using the whataboutism you used, specifically, posting a list of unfounded fabrications Biden hadn't been charged with in response to my mentioning Donald 'Jesus' Trump. That IS what a "whataboutism" is: what about-ism. Get it?

Trump's adultery I referred to was an example of adultery being normalized and accepted by Evangelicals, no less.
Even Clinton's pass wasn't that good, although in his case, it included from Feminists, so kind of on the same level - minus the God smoting and sulphur lake for eternity stomping bit.

Is the "LOL" enough fer ya?

“Trump's adultery I referred to was an example of adultery being normalized and accepted by Evangelicals”

That’s exactly the whataboutism I’m referring to. I only mentioned Biden’s faults as a comparison of how you must think people who voted for him believe - since you think evangelicals believe adultery is normalized since they voted for Trump (what about Trump voters?) I guess you don’t actually read much or you would have figured that out on your own instead of me having to spell it out for you.

You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to defend your ridiculous argument. LOL 😂

I didn’t say the sorrow would all happen in this life.

You could use the same argument to discount science. Have you seen a black hole or a subatomic particle? By your logic they can't exist and they're just subjects of stories made up by scientists.

You better hope you never get falsely accused of something and have to appear in a court of law if your only defense are personal accounts of others - since they aren't evidense, according to you.

It must be nice to discount anything you don't agree with by just claiming they are real because you personally haven't had it "demonstrated" to you. Ignorance is bliss.

“People don't choose to be gay.”
And married heterosexuals don’t choose to be sexually attracted to someone else. You can be sexually attracted to the same sex and chooses not to act on it just like heterosexuals can choose not to act on their sexual attractions.

“Also, the sexual orientation of being gay doesn't hurt anybody.”
That’s debatable. Many people feel it hurts society in general.

“Adultery is about sex, not marriage”
Adultery is all about marriage. You need to be married to commit adultery.

I compare adultery to same-sex couples (homosexual relationships) in that they are both immoral. That’s what makes them analogous.

Both are lifestyles when you choose to act on sexual attractions.

“Not all LGBTQ people are miserable and sorrowful.”
. . . Yet

Your reply reminded me of what two comedians said about same-sex marriage some years ago when the issue was in the news.

One was a fella whose name I don't recall, he said,

"Why not, shouldn't they suffer like the rest of us?"

the other was Roseanne, who said,

"Why, haven't they suffered enough?"

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

“That doesn't make any sense. They aren't all going to be.”
And that’s why you don’t understand why we are taught to not engage in it. Just like children that think having a curfew doesn’t make sense and, thus, rebel against their parents. The parents do it out of love and the children usually mature enough to appreciate it later in life.

"Black holes and subatomic particles are supported by actual evidence and objective observation and research, they aren't stories that scientists tell that they hope people will take their word for"

How do you know they're not just stories? Maybe they're all made up. You have no more actual proof of scientific theory than you do of religious theology. The only difference is you put faith in scientist's but not in theologians.

It has also been shown that scientific "facts" have been proven wrong. Does that mean all of science is false? The point is, we can't possibly have everything proven and demonstrated. You have to exercise faith both in science and religion. Disbelief in religion doesn't make you smarter. The less humble you are, the less teachable you are and, thus, more ignorant and susceptible to fraud - like believing there is no afterlife or judgment or accountability for your actions on Earth.

Requiring proof and signs in order to believe is foolish. Its like not believing that fire will burn you until you get burned.

"I agree with what you say. I look at homosexuality like I do adultery. Even though both lifestyles are legal by man’s laws, they are immoral by God’s laws. But we don’t see a lot of people who practice adultery trying to get the rest of us to accept their lifestyle as normal."

Adultery is illegal in many US States and several countries.
We don’t see a lot of people who practice adultery trying to get the rest of us to accept it as normal because it is so common, it basically has been normalized and accepted - unless we want to nag about someone or a group, then it becomes convenient fodder for the insult mill.
Thus those laws happen to be rather old ones which are no longer enforced in America. In other countries, like those practicing Sharia, people can be executed for it.

Eating bacon, mixing fabrics, letting dairy touch other foods or utensils handling them, not celebrating the Sabbath, women not staying outside of the house for a week while menstruating, men outside for three days for a nocturnal emission, and the wasting of seed by not using it solely for impregnating a woman are all against Yahweh's laws, yet I don't see anyone shaking their wrath stick at those.

I literally paused before finishing this to eat some banana cream flavored yogurt. I'll let you know what the weather is like in Hell after I doth get smotethed.

“Adultery is illegal in many US States”
Name one. You might find one or two states that haven’t officially removed it from their laws but no state prosecutes anyone for committing adultery.

“We don’t see a lot of people who practice adultery trying to get the rest of us to accept it as normal because it is so common”
Wrong. It may be common but it’s not considered “normal” and not accepted. That’s why people in adultery relationships don’t flaunt it. They don’t demand that we change the definition of marriage to include their spouse and whoever else they decide to have a sexual relationship with (for example).

Not sure how stuck in Pre-K your dictionary is, but a "whataboutism" is the response, not the point you are whatabouting.

Think worshipping Trump is wrong? Cool, we're in agreement. Get off your knees and stop doing it then, DONE. Oh, and tell the congregation.

Are we done yet, because you're wasting my time a lot with your silly deflection?

LOL
Look who's acting like they're in preschool with your "I know you are but what am I?" response. I bet you think whataboutism is in a real dictionary. Go back to kindergarten and learn something.

this is stupid. all of u would have thrown the stone at the poor woman. if u were there at the time & dont even try to hide it.

Jesus’ teaching wasnt aimed at the woman who was almost killed but at the crowd of hateful men who almost stoned her!! duh!!

everyone here is so focused on lust & homo but hate is a sin too. murder is the biggest sin of all & gays are dieing of hate crimes all around the world! & all u like to do is whine about marches and flags bc ur panties in a bunch!!

stop it. i command u to go forth & sin no more.

Based on your comments, I can assure you, you are not a born again Christian. You are therefore still in your sin, and outside of the mercy of Christ.

Everything you have said is contrary to what Christ taught. Praying that God will open your eyes, but He will not force you to open them.

Contrary? No, quite the opposite.
That IS what Jesus taught, not some St Augustine quote filtered through Ghandi and further altered under the guise of something Jesus said that you referred to in your quest to violate the "Judge not lest ye be judged" clause because "He who is without sin cast the first stone" wasn't enough to give you the hint.

Galatians 4:16
Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth?

As I said, I am not trying to be harsh. I hope you will consider what God's Word has to say.

You are not going to understand any of this, but I can tell you this- God has set up His creation in such a way so as to allow us the ability to choose- your railings are proof of this. You have chosen unwisely.

"Then that's God's fault"

Romans 9:19-22
You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who can resist His will?”
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God?
Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
-

The rest of Romans 9 explains in greater detail how God fits this all together, but it is too much for someone who really has no interest in learning about God.

"Then you should be happy that Muslims try to convert you to Islam, because they care about you and your eternity, right?"

Islam can be shown to be a false religion in many ways, but especially surrounding their radical inconsistencies with who they say Jesus is. On one hand, they say He was a great prophet; On the other hand, they reject most of what He teaches. And their typical "conversion" methods are considerably more brutal than the church's.

As to proving that Hell is real- as I have said before, I do not have to prove anything to you. If you want to know the truth, you must at least be open to it. I can go through the exercise of showing you why I know the Bible to be the Word of God, which means that what it says can be trusted, but that information would be wasted on you.

"I want to see your evidence that the Bible is in fact the word of God."

Why? Why do you want to see the evidence that I can provide?

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And finally, for now anyway, there's me. You can only take my word on it, but I have no reason to lie to you. Given your general comments and ideology, I do not care about your opinion of me.

I know of no one more inclined to reject Christianity than me- maybe as much as me, but not more. I was a rabid liberal Democrat, like so many on this site, and I hated Christians. "Who do they think they are to think they alone know the truth?!" And just like you and others, I have my Christian friends, legit and those in name only, a rough way to go. I was a staunch adherent of evolution, and I supported abortion and homosexuality (neither through personal involvement), and it was those issues that I supported my anger and hatred on.

I at least had the sense to stop being a complete fool, and "converted" from atheism to agnosticism. There is no one more ignorant than a self proclaimed atheist- it is as anti-intellectual as a person can be.

I once tried to read the Bible, surmising that I should probably know what it says since I hassle people about it so much. I have excellent reading comprehension, and yet it may have well been in actual Greek. After my born again moment, that all changed.

I do not care if you believe that, nor do I care if you offer up condescending commentary on my experience as many often do- "Well, that's nice for you. I'm glad it makes you happy.", as if I am not intelligent enough that I need to be pacified. I am the last person who would hold faith in something I did not believe was real. I came kicking and screaming to this realization, and no one can ever disprove where God has taken me on the inside.

"I can prove it to ya, but why should I when I can babble verses that have no relevance to what I'd rather not prove to ya?"

No time to post proof, but here's something totally irrelevant from Job...

"I want to know what convinced you that the Bible is the word of God to see if it will convince me"

It doesn't work that way, though I will start with some basic information in a moment.
This is not a game for me, though it appears it may be for you. And the proofs for the Bible being the inspired Word of God go well beyond what I can relate in a forum like this, especially when I have fools like Modda nipping at my heels like the infantile troll that he/she/beep/boop is.

Luke 16:29-31
But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets [the Scriptures]; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”
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When people are determined in their beliefs, NOTHING will ever convince them. I was like you once, though I never claimed to have been a Christian to have walked away from it.
While I will be giving you hard evidence, in the final analysis the most important evidence is the born again Christian's experience with it.

1 Corinthians 2:13-16
And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

fyi- I may not be able to reply to every comment of yours. There is a lot of "noise" on this page, and the way this site works in my browser is less than stellar.

MAPS

Manuscript evidence.

The Bible has the most supporting documentation of any ancient work of all time. Between the remaining copies and the writings and the process of textual criticism, it is well established that what we have today is what was originally written. Other than from radical critics such as the "Jesus Seminar", this is not in dispute.

The Old Testament was preserved by the Jews, who painstakingly copied the originals and going to great lengths to ensure that mistakes were not made. If that happened, they would usually bury them, which is where we today often find variants.

The New Testament in other ways is just as clear, with some of the copies still in existence having been made very close to the time of the original autographs. Just as importantly, we have many early letters from the leaders and pastors of the early churches. Most of the New Testament can be recreated from the numerous quotations from the copies they had at the time.

I, like many legit Christians, are not interested in fairy tales. I would not accept this as evidence were it not rational.

M-A-PS

Archaeological Evidence

Every time new finds that are related to biblical times are discovered, the Bible is found to be historically accurate. Many presumptive claims that this is not true have been made, only to be overturned as new finds come forth. They used to attack the historical account of David, but this has fallen out of favor with new discoveries.

Of course, the fact remains that if the historical references in the Bible were wrong, the contemporaries of the prophets would have called them out, and the Bible would have died out long ago.

MA-P-S

Predictive Prophecy

The Old Testament is full of prophecies regarding the coming Messiah, which would have been impossible for a mere human to have fulfilled by coincidence. We know when the OT was translated into Greek, therefore we know that those prophecies could not have been written after the fact.

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Statistical Probability

This is a branch of science which has been applied to the Messianic prophecies, and while I do not remember the actual power of tens is represents, it would be impossible for this to have happened through coincidence.

There are a number of other methods used to determine the legitimacy of the Bible, such as analyzing the type of writing represented. When many of the main characters have serious flaws revealed, this is not typical of someone claiming the importance of speaking for God. The type of events depicted would also not fit within the normal mindset of the 1st century Jew, such as women being made equal with men. The narrative of women seeing Jesus first would never have occurred to a first century Jewish fictional writer. Anecdotal, to be sure, but completely out of the realm of normality of the time.

There are also many descriptions in the Bible of things that ancient man could not have known, such as the shape of the Earth, the mountain ranges under the sea, the expanding universe, etc.

And then there is the character of the writers. Many people over all of human history have been willing to die for something they believed in, but no one is willing to die for what they know to be a lie. Most of the OT prophets were persecuted by their fellow Jews, many to the point of death, and history records that most of the apostles were martyred. Again, if they simply believed fanatically in Jesus rising from the dead, this would be nothing new, but since they wrote these accounts, they would have knowingly died for a lie.

This all provides support for the inspiration of the Bible, but it will never be sufficient reason for anyone to change their beliefs. Until you humble yourself before the Lord, you are spiritually blind- so says God. Which leads me to my personal favorite proof, that being that unbelievers perfectly follow their script as seen in the Bible. While they may know some of it, or none of it, the Bible provides a perfect analysis of their character and behavior, LONG before the science of psychology showed up. Your own behavior, and that of Modda, lines up with what I would expect.

Yeah, the KJV is totes as was written 1AD.

Cyrus the Great - the first Messiah and the only Gentile one - as well as Simon bar Kokhba fulfilled them (the latter albeit almost, for a short time), and both were mere men, as that's what a Messiah is - only differing from others as a wise one who liberated the Jews from the yoke of their enemies and lead them through a period of peace and prosperity.

Jesus not only did not do one single messianic anything, he didn't even return within the lifetime of his followers, as he promised.

To this date women are considered secondary to men in the Church and the roles they can function in it, save for a couple of sects in the last couple of decades.

As if low tide didn't expose something other than flat beach and boat anchors never bumped into the mountanious topography underwater surrounding islands.

Joseph Smith?
Don't forget Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson, and is Sun Myung Moon still around? Each of these have been alleged to be Jesus reincarnate by their followers, and some of them had far larger flocks of believers than Jesus did.

I'm Christian, I dont hate gay people. It didn't even make the top 10.....i just want them to shut up about it. Getting old. "Gay gay gay trans gay phobia gay homo gay trans". That's Basically the news

As Christians, we should love all people. However, loving someone doesn’t mean you have to support them or their ideas/morals.

it’s pride month you know mb that’s why u feel that way but there’s nothing wrong with that!!

You dont hear "christian" 99 x a day

Well....they do make up about 50% of the population.....it only stands to reason

So first you said you wanted democracy....now that you realized the majority are white cis Christians.....well, not so much. Shut it

K. ....I'm going to explain this to you. In a democracy...the majority rules....white cis Christians.....are the majority. Period.

Oh phew....thank goodness America is a REPUBLIC society then.

Everytime you vote against Christianity, you vote against democracy. Bc that's how democracy works

Pretty sure Jesus sucked a few hot dogs. Just sayin he looked feminine.

There is a major error in your thinking. Jesus died for all, but that gift must be received in order for them to have eternal life.

So consider the case: you have a homosexual who was told by his super progressive “Christian” church that what he is doing outside of the marriage altar is not a sin.

Why then would he need Jesus? The healthy don’t need a doctor, the sick do. We are all sick but some of us are being told we are healthy when in fact we are sick. Your homosexual friend can never grasp his need for Jesus if you keep telling him that he doesn’t need Jesus because what he does is not a sin. Homosexuals, like all other sinners, need grace and Truth to be saved. They need to hear that yes, it is a sin, but by the gift of God, through Christ Jesus, their sins can be forgiven and they can have a relationship with God.

So here is the reality, you are more interested in appearing like you love people, because you have no heart for lost people living in sin. There will be plenty of repentant homosexuals in heaven, but not a single one who thought their sin was fine. I hope your friends will understand when the doors shut in their face that at least you never made them feel ashamed or called them out.

they aint going to Hell for being who they are its not a choice. U think God made ppl that way just to send them to hell inevitably. i dont think Hes that cruel

Hell is a choice people make for themselves. God just Gives us the advice on how to avoid it. Up to us to listen or not. All gods really have this ability.

You know Melania fan is sloth, kylie right?

Not really, equating love with Money? God wants our Love it's pretty simple really.

It doesn't work that way that's what i'm trying to explain, God demands our worship because any other way only leads to despair and hopelessness. God doesn't force people to go to hell any more than He forces them to go heaven, its called free will. And yea there's people who will preach fire and brimstone and they're missing the point too. Your parent example shows the same false understanding of what hell is. Hell is an absence of God.

You are beginning to understand what we are on earth FOR.

Nobody said they can’t repent like other sinners.

Like most non-Christians, I see you like the idea of a forgiving God, but not a Just God.

If a convicted rapist went to court and was caught red handed, and confessed freely and the judge said you are free to go, there would be outrage because it isn’t justice.

Homosexuals, just like liars, murderers, prideful people, teenage abortionees, Democrats, unfaithful spouses, and Nike execs all have the free will to choose sin or not. What makes God loving is that he gives you a free pass just for trusting Jesus for the forgiveness in your sins. How can that be cruel? Are you implying homosexuals are too stupid to ask God for forgiveness?

God didn’t kill Jesus, the Jews did. People did.

Also, your analogy is also a bit twisted. Someone has to pay for the crime so yes, Jesus paid for the crime, WILLINGLY.

And your wrong again on your final statement and missing the whole point. All those things are actually “not bad,” what matters in the end is did they repent or not? The point is they, like all people, sin and are no different from each other. You are no different than those extreme crazy Christians who measures sins… there all sin.

Don't get me wrong - it is wrong to attack individuals on the basis of sexual orientation since each person is a person created by God. However, we also need to recognize that certain choices in life are evil. The gay pride movement is often associated with evil choices that are made and encouraged, and these sexualized ideas are being forced onto us. Consider that gay pride parades often contain grotesque sexualized displays, and sadly, children are often the target of these displays. Innocence is violated through this.

So again, we should not oppose gay people, but against the perverse sexualization of our culture.

I will agree sex is perverted, it is wrong to push this stuff on kids. Melania showed how to do it CLASSY.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/donald-trump-melania-trump-knauss-first-lady-erections/amp

Trump too! Sex is okay when it’s CONSENSUAL. That’s what these Leftists don’t understand!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape