Irony

If he is a "Better person" why is he still saying racist hings like "You aint black" smh

“I have black guys counting my money. … I hate it,” Trump told John R. O’Donnell, the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, according O’Donnell’s account in his 1991 book “Trumped!” “The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day.”

Trump, according to O’Donnell, went on to say, “‘Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that.”

oh nice deflection to the question as usual..

again -If he is a "Better person" why is he still saying racist hings like "You aint black

yes, correct, you did, Did you have a question?

again, what was the question?...

What now?

would a racist hire "Black guys" in the first place ?..
Would a "racist" want to marry a black woman as in Trumps case?

Key word "Former" O'Donnell.. Fired employees would never lie..

You’re accepting their moral framing. Stop that. Stop pretending “racist” means anything. Once you surrender on that, they’ve already won.

All “racist” means is “shut up, whitey, and stop defending yourself.” Don’t give it any legitimacy.

Was Darius Sessoms a racist? Was his crime evidence of racism?

Is Derek Chauvin a racist? Was his crime evidence of racism?

So you’d have no problem with me saying Derek Chauvin is not a racist, right? That wouldn’t upset you?

I would have a problem with that (For Zaklog's comment)

Yes, almost definitely. He killed a black man for no reason

No idea

Was Darius Sessoms a racist? Was his crime evidence of racism?

Yes, almost definetely

I dunno, Many of the GOP I know like all races.
I Happen to be a current Ind and former 25 year Democrat. I told you this b4 and also your alts
I would suspect that all ppl hate being called "racist"

I hate being called racist from some internet random who knows nothing at all about me and judges me based on some hair-brained stereotype (which libs claim to hate). News flash, I have been married to a black woman for ten years now. We have two beautiful daughters and a pretty damn amazing life. So preach your propaganda all you want because most of us just laugh at you.

If you are voting for tRUMPf then you support the normalization of racism. Plain and simple. IDGAF who you are, who you are married to, who your kids are, or your Fox news conspiracy theories. If you support the first racist President, then you are part of the problem....NOT the solution.

Remember...not all tRUMPf supporters are racists, but all racists are tRUMPf supporters. And did you know that the KKK supports tRUMPf? They even donated to his campaign. Did your wife know that? My wife knew it. She is black as well...as are our 3 beautiful children.

BTW...Keep your kids away from tRUMPf.

The thing is: You can vote for whoever you like. Not all Republicans are racist, it's just that white supremacy groups tend to side with Trump. Just don't spread hate

No, I have not been fed propaganda by the Biden/Harris campaign. Maybe you should remember that BLM and ANTIFA are mostly peaceful organisations and not black supremacy groups. Name one 'Black supremacy group' that supports Biden. In fact, many of Trump's supporters are actually fascists

Excellent example that you've lapped up propaganda that tells you that these groups are black supremacy groups

Do you actually have any proof that these organisations are black supremacy groups or are you just spouting propaganda from the Trump/Pence campaign

That’s what I tell everyone, vote your conscience. All that matter is you being happy with your choice. I promise to not be mean to you simply because of your beliefs, unlike some other people.

BTW...my wife is a democrat.

OK.....I like you

As in, you're a nice guy, and accept that we have differences

Haha yeah I figured that. It’s okay to have differences, it’s not okay to attack somebody because of those differences. I pile on some of these morons because they are just foolish, not because they have different opinions.

Cool

"Why did slaveholder rape so many of his slaves if they was racist"

Can I have that question in English this time?

"I'm fairly sure Melania isn't black, although she is an immigrant"
I wasn't talking about her.
I was talking about Kara Young, Trumps ex whom he proposed to .
She said no. "he was too old, I was the love of his life" her words..

Why did slaveholders rape so many of their slaves if they were racist

did you mean "weren't" vs "were"
You are way out in left field pal

Right, yeah cuz slaveholders were not racist (Sarcasm implied)

The south (The more racist part of America) used to constantly vote democrat, but now they will always vote republican

they were very racist (No sarcasm at all)

Glad we agree on that

Oh I get it, You were trying to compare Kara Young as a slave??
now thats bonafide racism there pal

How the f**k did you think of that one mate?

good thing the Republicans(North) beat the democrats (south)

I agree!
But the Republicans and democrats have switched sides in the last 60 years

The South has always been the more racist area of America. They used to vote overwhelmingly democrat, but today, southern states will vote republican. Also, you say its just propaganda? How about you actually do your own research instead of just saying that the republicans are perfect, and saying everything else is just propaganda

Ok, right. Also, about the quote, 'Oh No!!!!!!!!!!! i MiSpEllEd A wOrD oH nO

Whatever, you make no sense

Says you of all people

Hey, its not my fault you have poor grammar and a poor grasp of the English language.

Yeah, it's not my fault you have no idea how to create a sentence that makes sense

Woodrow Wilson would heavily disagree, Andrew Jackson too - and that's just prominent flag waving ones. Lincoln was openly racist as well, despite the way the books paint him.

yup that sob

He had really fab hair though...

saw this today, lol

I'm beginning to think that user is a troll...there's no way someone can be that stupid.

He's hardly stupid, having shown to be informed enough elsewhere.
His biases just warp his perspectives a little too much.

I'm relatively new here, but in every "conversation" I've seen him in he/she's flat out posting lies and salacious defamation that can be debunked with the most cursory research.

I've seen him post a lot of facts, although many can seem a tad hostile, which is what he faces from those with opposing points as well, so it;s understandable, albeit counterprodictive.

But even facts can be angled in a way to obscure the truth, and omission twists things further, so...

I'm inclined to eschew the acrimony on both sides, since I'm of the opinion it devalues one's argument, so you'll forgive me if I'm frustrated...it's not just him, there are lots of fools on both sides...

Alas, arguments on this site since summer 2016 have leaned mostly on the low brow side, facts and logic need not be applied.
Fact is, even if they were civil, it's a basic psychological fact that the only arguments that can convince us are our own and those that confirm our bias.

My approach tends towards skipping what could be my frustration and returning it to those who would give it if that's the situation at hand.
Not saying that makes it ok,, but poking the coals can have it's merits. Chaos sires creativity, might as well sit back and enjoy the entertainment.

I don't think confirmation bias is insurmountable...I've found, in myself at least, that often what I thought I knew could be completely changed if someone else puts me on the right research track. Call me a fool, but I'll always try to spark that same reaction in others. It's a more productive use of my time than setting the world on fire.

What a difference 3 days and Crybaby Donnie's grande finale make, eh?

Meaning?

Oh yeah, cause that makes it so much better

''Spooky_Swaggermemnon 0 ups, <1h

To be fair, almost all US presidents have been racist, and many pre-ww1 ones have been pretty open about it reply flag''

According to your book it does.

On my planet, racism is racism, regardless of where on THE VERY SAME MEME someone else
'thinks' - and I use the term lightly - it's cute to play musical chairs with 'reality'

well said, too bad he wont understand a word of it :)

He can't even figure what he himself is expressing.

my brother thinks its porqupine

That makes sense...

How about you actually make sense next time
Thanks for the points tho

Those are YOUR words, your CONTRADICTORY words that I quoted.

Well done. You quoted me and said 'racism is racism' (I knew that, genius), and I'm not sure how 'It's cute to play musical chairs with reality' makes sense, so actually figure out what you're saying before you try and offend me

I QUOTED you.
If your own words are confined by the limits of your 'intellect' and confuse you, that's on you.

I have never said 'It's cute to play musical chairs with reality'

Bad enough when people act stupid, but when stupid people act stupid, it don't make it any cuter.

shush

That's why so many people vote republican

like the supremacist who shot up the temple in Pitt? who hated trump and wanted him dead..

If the klan all of a sudden liked a certain dem would that make that dem a racist smh.

Your lack of historical knowledge is just stunning.

To be fair, almost all US presidents have been racist, and many pre-ww1 ones have been pretty open about it

''Spooky_Swaggermemnon

Oh yeah, cause that makes it so much better''

Posted just minutes apart.

You just quote me and say something that I'm supposed to be offended at, though it makes no sense

How did I contradict myself

Name the 2 comments where i contradicted myself

He didn't actually tell me where I contradicted myself, so you can go f**k yourself or actually tell me in which 2 comments I contradicted myself in instead of saying 'Vagabond already explained it to you. Explaining it to you again isn't going to make it clearer.

As some wise man once said "I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand it.'

He has not explained anything, you fascist. He has just quoted one comment and said that these 2 comments contradict each other. I fully understand that you don't know how explaining works. Will you stop copying and pasting the same thing over and over again, thinking you're the smartest guy in the world, and actually tell me where I contradicted myself, or did I not contradict myself, and you are just saying that to make yourself to feel smart

Again, stop copying and pasting the same message, and tell me how I contradicted myself. Oooh! I know! I didn't contradict myself and you assholes are just saying I am without any real proof

I don't think 'almost all' is a fair description, but 'many' is certainly accurate.

Pretty sure Obama wasn't racist, but my list of confirmed unracist US presidents stops about there

I'm assuming racist in this context means, "One who is firmly convinced of the superiority of one race over all others no matter the circumstances."

Obama definitely wasn't, but I'm not sure race relations improved any under his administration.

Here's my list of presidents who made it policy to promote the superiority of their race over others, or criminally failed to defend minorities when it was possible to do so:

- Andrew Jackson
- James Polk
- Woodrow Wilson (the most egregious of the listed offenders)
- FDR (Imprisoned Japanese-Americans purely because their skin was evidently more dangerous than their American identity)

Here are Presidents who are often derided as racist, but context shows us that they did oppose it, failing to do so purely because there was a more pressing issue facing them.

- Washington (freed his slaves, but couldn't oppose slavery without tearing the fledgeling country apart.)
- Lincoln (valued the integrity of the Union over all else, which still doesn't annul his attempts to allow slavery to persist in defense of unity, but we can forgive him this mistake in hindsight given he was forced to choose between slavery and the most destructive war in American history. Additionally, once war was upon us he was freed from that choice and wholeheartedly supported emancipation and acceptance of slaves as equal citizens.)
- Eisenhower (slammed for failing to enforce Brown v. Board, but I put this up to ignorance more than true racist feelings.)
- Reagan (Infamous 'monkeys' quote, in context, reveals he was more ignorant about the political advancement of African democracies than truly racist sentiment. He also granted amnesty to million of illegal immigrants, and attempted to stifle the flow of drugs into largely-black inner cities in an attempt to lower crime and improve their lives.)

I'm not well-versed in the history of our less well known presidents, but that's a solid list for starters. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few on both sides of the aisle.

Obama wasn't a racist, if that's what you inferred from my post then I assure you it's not what I meant.

I also assumed my definition of racism encompassed yours, since only one who thinks one race is better than another would treat them differently when there's no reasonable context to do otherwise (and there rarely, if ever,is).

I do think FDR was discriminating against Japanese-Americans because of their racial identity. There was a Japanese-American military unit that won the U.S great honor in WWII and proved their loyalty beyond a shadow of a doubt...FDR's interpretation of Japanese-Americans as potentially being more loyal to their ancestral country than their current homeland is political-racism, or political discrimination on racial grounds. I see no difference. If we'd been at war with China or the Philippines he would have done the same to them.

Affirmative Action is wrong in the sense that we understand it, though there are some who use it because they think it merely means the same as executive action, so I'm careful to ensure what people mean by it before judging them, but you are correct there.

I think I get where we're not connecting...I'm assuming there is enough of a genetic difference between Japanese and other Asians to justify calling it racism. That is simply something I don't know very well, and I'll fully admit that it was an assumption I made.

I feel bad putting you in the position of defending FDR...lol

I chalked that quote up to idiocy when he said it, but that could just be me not fully understanding then how to recognize racism if it's not targeted affirmative action.

That quote is no proof that Obama is racist

If he locked them up purely because they were Asian he would have also incarcerated Chinese-Americans and Filipino-Americans...I fail to see why the 'Asian' vs 'Japanese' distinction is even relevant...he decided, with no basis other than his own prejudices, that their ancestry would be more important that their identity. It may have been politically fueled, but they were still targeted purely because their ancestry made them (in his eyes) a political target.

I honestly don't understand why this is even a debate here...

Lincoln allowed three slave holding States that remained with the Union and territories of others occupied during the war to maintain the practice, and planned to allow them to keep doing so after the war ended.

Lincoln was a virulently open racist who stated equality would not nor ever should be a reality, slaves and their descendents should never be allowed to get elected and hold office, and should be properly segregated away.
He then set his sites on Native Amercans and wasn't particularly pleasant with his aims to 'solve' that issue either. Biggest mass hanging in history.

Ronald Reagan had the CIA transport so much cocaine into the US to fund his Iran-Contra scheme, it was freebased to make it more compact for storage and transport by dealers and sold at a discount to inner cities, starting the Crack Epidemic which, by design, stayed within their limits.

Sorry, Nancy's silly "Just say no to drugs" did zippo to conteract what her husband did.

Read 'Grant' by Ron Chernow...the man lays down his arguments and sources better than I ever could, but Lincoln changed the course of the war by making it about the end of slavery when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. That was followed up by action to amend legalized slavery everywhere (he died before he could push the 13th amendment through). Everyone can have a change of heart, and Lincoln made his when it counted most.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/300-santee-sioux-sentenced-to-hang-in-minnesota

Context provided to the Indian affair shows that he had little choice in the matter.

https://ips-dc.org/the_cia_contras_gangs_and_crack/

This was interesting, and I thank you for spurring me to research it further.

Here ya go, a color coded map for the Crayola set.

I. still. don't. do. links. STILL.

We all know the political status of the combatants in the Civil War.

Ohhh, this is about Lincoln and his border-state guarantees, isn't it? Well listen up sonny, the Emancipation Proclamation couldn't make a blanket statement at the time (key phrase) because to do so would further increase tensions with the loyalist slave states. Lincoln knew that once the war was won, and slavery banned in the deep South, that the border states would have no choice but to toe the new line.

The Emancipation Proc was nothing more than an unenforced thumb in the eye, as it was meant to be. AGAIN, and read this slowly,

''Lincoln allowed three slave holding States that remained with the Union and territories of others occupied during the war to maintain the practice, and planned to allow them to keep doing so after the war ended''

I referred to it, I know the deal, including the rampage on 'the Injuns' that followed the war, utilizing a now well trained Sherman and Co to do so.

I don't do links. If someone is too lazy to put a lil' elbow grease into it, how can they expect me to be arsed to do their work for them?

"Planned to keep doing so after the war ended"

Nope. Flat out wrong. If he wanted to do that he would have denied the passage of the Joint Resolution that would become the 13th Amendment. The only reason he didn't sign off on it was because he was shot dead in Ford's Theatre.

https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=40

Frankly I don't care if you don't provide links or not, but if you're not citing sources then I don't know how you expect to be taken seriously.

Shucks, I'm fresh out.

Would you like me to post a color coded map with neon highlights to spell it out to you, or is your head truly that suffocated by the lefty whyte messiah revisionist blubbering it has to share space with stuck up your ass?

It's like JFK, who 'kept' all them promises he 'meant' to keep via LBJ's signature - possessed by JFK's ghost, natch. Bending Space/Time narratives are so cute.

You may want to take a Maalox or something.

You think i didnt know that?

I never said you didn't.

Fair point

OK.....But do you think I didn't know that there have been racist presidents on both sides

I never said you didn't.

True

How is it proof. I see no proof other than Obama mentioning racism

Just give me a quote from Obama that discriminates against a certain group, and I'll believe you. I am actually very well educated. If you figure out I'm a child, stop saying 'You're uneducated' It's a lie, plain and simple. I was not accusing anyone of being racist. You are accusing Obama of being racist with no proof

It is not a quote that discriminates against a minority, therefore, it is not racist

How

How is Obama an advocate for slavery or segregation

Exactly. Woodrow Wilson was a segregationist, and George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc, were all advocates for slavery

Making him not the most racist president the US has ever had

once again, your propaganda fail..

Imagine if Trump voted on segregation and then recanted, you would still be calling for his head.

She was Derek Jeeter black. Kamala too

speaking of broken records "Trump is racist" again your folks propaganda machine doesnt know the difference between "racism" and treating everyone equally like a jerk(he is guilty there)