David Dorn, retired black police officer murdered by rioters who are angry that a black man was murdered by a cop.

Damn that’s a shame. Time to loot in his memory

I need a 72 inch flatscreen. I know he'd want me to have one. To honor his memory and all.

I good spring for some legos like the guy in Toronto. Also I’m behind on child support payments so could you loot the bank for me?

For “free” too!

Besides his salary.

Flat Screens Matter!

Why are you so obsessed with the anal cavity?

Because we're all so curious what your face actually looks like.

Please extract it from your anal cavity, so we can have a look see.

Because, Flat Screens Matter!

When's the protests for Dorn?

You should post that as a meme.

aw - I'm out of submissions for the day...

Yeah, they won't talk about David Dorn because that won't fit their...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/small-town-police-chief-killed-officers-cities-wounded/story?id=71017820

https://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/remembering-ret-police-captain-david-dorn-84318277627

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/police-retired-st-louis-police-captain-killed-amid-unrest/2020/06/02/8eb19676-a4fe-11ea-898e-b21b9a83f792_story.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/david-dorn-st-louis-police-shot-trnd/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-dorn-retired-st-louis-police-captain-killed-unrest-george-floyd-death/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/retired-st-louis-police-captain-killed-looters-while-trying-protect-n1223386

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/06/02/us/ap-us-america-protests-missouri-police-captain-killed.html

https://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/retired-st-louis-police-captain-killed-protecting-business-looting#stream/0

Oh. Nevermind.

I didn’t say they won’t report it, simply this man’s story does not fit the mainstream media’s agenda. How much time and attention have they given the Dorn murder vs. the Floyd murder?

A police officer in the U.S is 18 and a half times more likely to be murdered by a black man than a black man by apolice officer.

And it's even higher than it used to be.

Yes just heard those numbers repeated by a woman from some Michigan institute.

I know this is in really bad taste...but I just had too......

Apparently these were the people who robbed the pawn shop that David Dorn was trying to protect at around 2am.. 2 of em were shown carrying handguns. There is a $46,000 reward.

I wonder who will organize a rally in his name ?

Then you're part of the problem if you think no one cares that innocent people are being murdered.

I responded this way to another conservative a couple days ago.

Public order depends upon public trust in the police force. This is why reform is critical.

Don't fix the issues in the police force and we will keep getting more riots, more property damage, more killings, more carnage.

I'm afraid that telling angry people to sit down and shut up, basically, isn't going to work.

Completely ignoring the problem. The riots aren't about equality or justice, they're about rebellion and are an excuse for violence.

Flat Screens Matter!

As I suggested before, I’m afraid you aren’t going to convince the rioters to see it that way.

Nobody is going to convince the rioters that what their doing is wrong and counter productive because they just don’t care.

Not law abiding citizens. They continue to obey the laws. Protesting is different than anarchy and murder.

I need to look up the video where the handcuffed rioter was being interviewed by a local news reporter and basically said he's just out there trying to get money and steal stuff.

Already addressed this above.

These people whatever their motives, principled or not, would not be going crazy if not for the spark (police brutality) that lit the underlying tinder (poverty, similar experiences of mistreatment by police).

Fix the tinder and fix the spark.

Otherwise you are just shouting into the wind.

"These people whatever their motives, principled or not, would not be going crazy if not for the spark (police brutality) that lit the underlying tinder (poverty, similar experiences of mistreatment by police)."

And again, you're making excuses and there is no excuse for violence. I don't care how mad or angry you get. There is absolutely no excuse to murder other innocent people just because you're angry. And you making excuses for their actions is further proof for me that the left is not only bat-shit crazy, but in many instances, violent.

We’re talking past each other because you’re primarily concerned with assigning blame, and I’m concerned with fixing the problem.

There is blame to go around. Derek Chauvin is a murderer. His 3 officer buddies are accomplices. The Minneapolis PD apparently fostered a culture that tolerated this sort of behavior and failed to fire Chauvin despite the prior complaints against him. Minneapolis local officials and possibly Minnesota state officials failed to properly oversee the PD. All of the American political class (and by extension, the voters who elected them) shares some portion of blame for the failure to create a country that is generally fair to blacks. Our forefathers are responsible for the evils of Jim Crow and slavery. Etc etc.

And yes, the rioters are directly responsible for the murders they committed. But the peaceful protestors are not.

That is roughly how I would parcel out blame here.

Now: How would you fix it?

"We’re talking past each other because you’re primarily concerned with assigning blame, and I’m concerned with fixing the problem."

I'm doing exactly what you're doing. Assigning blame. The only difference is you're making excuses for the rioters, claiming they had a hard life or their ancestors were treated wrong, so they have every right to do what they're doing, even if it's wrong. That is not a good stance to have when it comes to violent thugs.

"And yes, the rioters are directly responsible for the murders they committed. But the peaceful protestors are not."

I have never confused the two. There are peaceful protesters and there are violent thugs who are destroying their cities. Even some being bused in from other parts of the country. It's a political scam and a lot of you are falling for it.

"Now: How would you fix it?"

You didn't really explain how you'd fix it, just said who was to blame. That isn't fixing anything. But since you asked, I'd run Ilhan Omar out of office for treason, for starters. She has completely, along with her Democrat scum, destroyed that state. But I have a feeling you wouldn't like that, so the argument ends here. This is a meme that is dedicated to the slain police officer and everyone else who has been murdered by this nonsense.

I offered my solutions in another meme but not here it appears. They are actually really simple and are the same principles that would apply to the management of any organization.

1. Better Training;
2. Rigorous Discipline;
3. Firing bad apples;
4. Paying officers more to attract better candidates.

Note that #4 differs from the suggestions offered by radical Leftists to “defund the police.”

We don’t need to dismantle the police. We need a police force that works for everybody.

Tl;dr: See meme.

Think I agree with all that. Measures should be taken to remove the bad officers.

Thanks. I saw these wise words from Chris Rock today as well.

If people didn’t riot, vandalize, murder, steal, etc. we wouldn’t need a police force.

I’m afraid that letting people be responsible for their actions isn’t going to work either.

Come on KF, this is a disingenuous take at best, and flat out bullshit at worst.

There are several main types of groups involved in this mess. Of course, there are the anarchists who are seizing the opportunity to go out there and have fun, because they love the chaos. There are the rioters, who are quite similar to the anarchists, except they don't necessarily have a political agenda, but they're having fun for the sake of having fun. There are the looters, who are just out there to get free shit. There's ANTI-First-Amendment (aka Antifa) who are similar to anarchists / rioters, but have a political agenda. In other words, they're like anarchists, only organized. Of course, these groups are being the most counter-productive to the final group, which is those who are out to peacefully protest the murder of a black man by a white cop.

Other than the looters and protesters, the other groups are willing to kill innocent black men in order to stop the killing of innocent black men... right? That's where #BlackLivesMatter comes down in this, right?

To them, as almost everyone else in the country, of course black lives matter. But also for them, black lives matter UNLESS they've got a streak of blue in them, or red, and that's why they have no credibility with the more than 50% of the country who would be inclined to support them, if they had any integrity and actually cared about ALL black lives.

My “disingenuous” or “flat-out bullshit” take is simply adapted from what MLK said about riots.

Appreciate the thought but I’m trying not to get into extended debates, so I will just post this again in case you haven’t read it yet.

It's not the riot-specific aspect of your take that I called out. It's the application of it to this situation.

I agree with MLK, and also even turtles like Mitch McConnell, who recently said that even if a person believes the police don't disproportionately go after black males, the fact that others do, means we have a problem that needs to be addressed.

It would be nice if we could address it as mature adults, instead of temper tantrum throwing children in adult's bodies.