Diversity

Sorry SPatoine, but quite a bit of that, most of it actually, can be disputed quite easily. Or, in some of the cases in which you don't spout opinion as fact, a simple comparison between Trump and past presidents would expose your hypocrisy, since you believe some activity was okay for them, but not for him.

You guys are too funny.

I'll put Trump up against any past President in the lie department. No one comes close, on the right or left.

Not that you're alone. They did it to MichiganLibetarian in the safe space known as PoliticsToo yesterday also, and he wasn't even arguing arguing. Thing is, he stated fact, only got a side detail wrong.

*big hug to the one dimensional humanz*

Yup, they're like bots. Got to down vote before the general public gets wind of all the lies that can't be responded to.

C O P E

The lies are coming from you, SPatoine, and logical people can see it.

haha, "I can dispute most of what you said easily, just not today, so in the meantime I'll just DV you for safe keeping, hurr hurr"

That same Fat_Dead_Elvis (hey, when using alts, why not make it obvious? Not like no one couldn't tell anyways) tried pulling the same bs on me last night. I crawled around his backside looking for an answer till he finally ran away saying he was done with me.

That was quite a few words to basically say, nothing.

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Top two requirements of Fascism:
1. Strong belief in nationalism at all costs (You don't like it here, you can leave)
2. Need for a strong military

You forgot the most important ones.
1. A belief that the government comes first before personal freedoms and rights and must control everything.
2. The elites know what's best for you and only they can decide what you can do.
3. That you do not question their beliefs because they are right and if you do question them then you're a racist, bigot, or some other ad hominem.

The main two are the ones I listed. Strong nationalism in the guise of patriotism is first.

The fact your very first point about Trump calling naaahtzzees good people is a bs libtard lie and frankly pathetic, as he specifically excluded them from that comment. If you don't know that by now, you're either stupid or being malicious.

But that's a great attempt to stifle the first amendment and push fascistic control. lol

He did not exclude them in his original statement. He said there were good people on both sides. Sorry, you couldn't even make it past number one without alternative facts.

You watch too much CNN hahahaha

This isn't about me and what I watch. This is about diversity of thought. By following the leader we have, you've already caved to lies and your point is meaningless.

I'll debate with any sound person on real issues like abortion, taxation, any legitimate argument there is. The current direction of the right is not something worthy of thought. It is unthinking, blind loyalty in the worst elements in our nation. It's not conservatism. It's not even right leaning.

So if someone disagrees with you, their opinions aren't worth hearing. I gotcha.

Look, you have the right to your opinion but i'm not lying to you. That lie still gets pushed by msm, i know but whatever.

DV's don't curtail speech, but that would most liekey be the intent of most using it, rendering it just shy of total elimination.
It can be funny tho, even a badge of honor ("Hey dude, I'm in the Top 5 most likely to be lowrated! Haterz be hatin, yo!") Butyes, finding replies on long threads does wonder for those susceptible to motion sickness.

PoliticsToo easily lends itself to hypocrisy. Safe space for the chorus who can attack en masse any dissenting voices.

haha, my first two comments on it where promptly deleted by guess who, who was able to use the relative the safety of the stream to hide from any retaliation from me for disparaging comments hurled at me.

SPatoine's list got lowrated, yes?

The 'other side' (duhn duhn duuuuuuuuuuuuhn!!!!!!!!!) did it to MichiganL too on PoliticsToo[BruisedToFaceTheShitStorm] yesterday. I rectified it.
Now it'll happen to me there also, bwhahaha...

You not lying? You haven't responded to me yet!
All you've done is give your personal thoughts with no substance. That's all you ever do.

There is plenty Trump does that has value. I've thought from day one that there will be SOME good outcomes from his presidency.

I'm not the one who needs to be worried about the damage he's causing. That's for the right to worry about. He's destroyed the party. Forget conservatism. There is none left anymore. Forget human decency. That's gone too. The embrace of racism, the negativity, it's ruined the party for any decent person. Don't blame me, just look at the people who have been life long republicans who are now walking away and can't take it any more.

1. Orphaning children at the border, you can't respond to that.
2. Putting kids in cages with no one to care for them, same.
3. Naaazi's coming out under their rocks with their tiki torches
4. Spending money like water, tripling the national deficit during good times

The list is endless.

Yup, downvote me. That will make it all go away.

Brush it under the rug. Those are just small negatives no one needs to think about. Hide it.

It's all going to come back and bite you in the ass. Your party is ruined.

Which is why the 'free thinkers' with the one same exact thought lowrated your list.

Well, others may have dv'ed him but that's not curtailing speech. I hate it because it makes finding replies a pain.

Poor kid. He's got some heart. I'd go there to fling a few bombs but why bother? Everything would just get deleted. They can't take uv's away though.

If you want someone to read your comment, I suggest you don't begin it with, "You Leftists assume far too much".

You don't know me. You don't know what I support and what I don't support. It is you who is assuming.

Which is stupid, ignorant, foolish and a waste of everyone's time.

"He said there were good people on both sides"

Yes, as in the conservative side and the liberal side. And you know damn well he didn't say "all" people on both sides, and when he said "good people" he wasn't referring to either the nazis OR antifa, all of whom are bad people.

The part that makes you a liar is where you think /all/ conservatives are nazis. Talk about "alternative facts", sheesh.

I watched that reply to the question. He was replying to questions based on Nazziii's with tiki torches. He knew damn well what he was saying.

I don't think conservatives are naziii''s at all.

What makes you think conservatives have any part of this conversation? There were no conservatives at the protests.

You're confusing the alt-right, radical right, with conservatism. Leave the conservatives out of the discussion. Don't dirty that word along with the rest. None of those people are conservatives.

Conservatism has no place in "social conservatism". Social conservatism is a clean way to describe racism. If you're worried about a white minority and brown or darked skin people taking over the country and ruining it, you are not a conservative, you're just a racist.

"I don't think conservatives are naziii''s at all.

What makes you think conservatives have any part of this conversation? There were no conservatives at the protests."

Way to directly contradict yourself. By the same line of logic, I could say there were no liberals at the protests either, only antifa, therefore Trump was completely wrong, there were no good people there /at all/.

Calling an apple, a pear, doesn't make it a pear. It's an apple.

Calling neo nazzzi's and alt-right, anti brown people, conservatives, does not make them conservatives.

Calling left leaning people who believe in paying the bills and trying to limit debt, "liberals", doesn't make them liberals.

In many ways, the people you are calling, "liberals" are actually conservatives. And, the people you are calling, "conservatives" are actually liberal.

Liberal: 1. Means to try something new that has never been tried before, expecting some miracle outcome that you feel is likely.

Putting kids in cages, separating them from parents and essentially, orphaning them forever, is not conservative thought. That is about as liberal as one can get!

There is no need to attack the messenger, just stating a fact. There are many good ideas held by people who are not actually conservatives but call themselves conservative. Government sanctioned orphaning, as in the example is not one of them.

Ha. Nice joke

non of which can be proven as fact.......just brain washed speculation filling your brain from your propaganda news CNN. I would go into detail on how 1/4 isn't true and the rest doesn't matter as you are being judgemental towards a person when your mindset is one of "sensitivity and acceptance".....touche..........next?

Perfect response. Thank you. There you go, proving the meme correct.

Out of the 19, there isn't one that can be criticized without being speculative in that criticism. They are all considered public knowledge.

If you want to tell me about the verified bus loads of people voting, the verified proof that Trumps inaugural crowd was the biggest, that Russia did not meddle in our elections, despite virtually every agency saying they did, go ahead, have at it.

Pathetic.

"Becwauthe CNN is not Fox State TV Hannity!"

He had some facts in there, no doubt. But he also had opinion. He said all were indisputable facts. I considered wasting time and disputing the falsehoods but why bother? He'd never give an inch. And I say that as having had reasonable conversations with him in the past.

There's how many individulas 'disputing' what SPatoine said? And each single one said they'd easily debunk that list but they're too busy ad homineming now to do it. Except, of course, Dimber, who did his usual sematics dance about some unimportant word and dismissed the list with his patented, "You're wrong because you're leftist."

Because we've all done it numerous times. Not going to dispute the ad homs, but I have made the case for my claim several times, probably even to him. Like I said, it's not all bs but the claim opinion is fact is getting tiresome .

Then why bother attacking? If they've all said it, they've all said it.
I've not seen that list from SPatoine before, but everything on it is factual, the only ones I've not seen verification of is:

"11. At least some, (likely most) of the 13 women who claim sexual misconduct against Trump, are not lying"

Not denying the possibility, but none has even been to court, let alone proven.

"18. Trump has spent around $105,000,000 in taxpayer dollars to date, golfing"

I've not heard this before, but at $2.6 MILLION per golfing trip day, the figure is possible.

The rest? "Hurr hurr, CNN MSM lies, libtard" does nothing to counter them.
Not that anything else can, since they are true.

Which, incidentally, is why no one has bothered to post anything to contradict them.

Success...........TRIGGERED!!

Judging by all the, "but wait", "what about the other President" and "but, but, but..... I'd say I'm not the one triggered here.

Who said anything about another President and the but but but..I think you are delusional. They have meds for that ya know and they are now cheaper under Trump. WINNING.