Abortion is Murder

Abortion is Murder | THIS IS A 12-WEEK-OLD FETUS WITH A POWERFUL HEARTBEAT THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CALL PRESIDENT TRUMP 'IMMORAL' THINK IT'S OKAY TO MURDER THIS CHIL | image tagged in abortion,fetus,liberals | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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682 views, 33 upvotes, Made by jvl8tr 10 months ago in politics abortionfetusliberals
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5 ups, 10m,
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It's a bit narrow-minded to call people who deem Trump "immoral" are also pro-abortion. I've met countless of people who have words for Trump that go way further than "immoral" but who are also against abortion with passion, for the same reason the meme states... Because it's strictly speaking murder.

Speaking for myself I have mixed feelings about abortion. I do understand the feeling women want to be "boss over their own body/stomach" as we literally say that in Dutch (baas over eigen lichaam/buik), and especially when a woman gets pregnant as a result of sexual abuse this reasoning makes a lot of sense to me. It was not me who came up with the idea a woman has to carry a child for 9 months. At the same time I want to respect all human life, and that makes me unhappy with abortion, as I can't deny it strictly speaking *is* murder.

Now vaguely recall Trump saying stuff in a pro capital punish direction. I am against capital punishment for the same reason. Yeah, you can say that the convicts are (at least in the USA) guilty of murder, but murdering a murderer is still murder, as much stealing from a thief is still theft, and raping a rapist is still sexual abuse.

This entire meme is generalizing and maybe even offending to those who oppose both Trump politics AND abortion, which is a bigger group than you think, and not only religious people, I must add. And I even wonder about the number of Trump supporters who are pro-abortion.

I understand the sentiment this meme came from, but perhaps you should have been more careful about what you state. Abortion is not an easy choice to make, and those who have faced the choice whether or not to do it can tell you all about it, as well those who chose to do as those who chose not to do it.
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2 ups, 10m
Well put.
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1 up, 10m
This really summed up my beliefs on the subject. Have an upvote
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0 ups, 10m,
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Based on my experience in the US, I think the sentiment of the meme is most likely accurate.

However, I like your comment and upvoted it.

What are the abortion laws in your country?
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3 ups, 10m,
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It's legal, but under very strict rules. When a pregnancy is beyond a certain set of weeks (I have to look up how many) abortion is no longer (legally) possible. There are still loads of people against it. Now the US has only 2 parties that really matter (Democrats and Republicans), but my country (the Netherlands) has quite a lot more in the 2nd chamber (the Dutch parliament) and the 1st chamber (the Dutch senate), and some of them have been founded under a strong Christian Ideology and one of them is part of the current government, and they are heavily against abortion, but the laws are in that stage, that it does no longer seem politically possible to change those anymore, but that does not mean abortion is not a very sensitive issue here either. Some other parties are founded in a more progressive ideology and they are more for legalization although under strict rules. One of the former ministers who made the current laws (on abortion and most of all euthanasia) happen was murdered for her beliefs, long after she retired as minister. "God told me to punish her" said her killer, although it should be noted that this person was in a pretty bad mental stage and was already condemned for killing his own sister when he killed that former minister, so I can't say his deed is a proper representation for the sentiment.

Aside from the law, I also know that there has been a lot of research on the topic of the psychological consequences of abortion for mother (and also the father) of the unborn child, and that's how I know that the choice for abortion is not an easy one to make. A woman now in her forties and mother of very healthy children still feels guilt over an abortion she underwent when she was only 14, but maybe you get why she chose that route back then. We also know some marriages came to an end thanks to abortion, due to male and female being in disagreement and the male leaving in anger when his unborn child was murdered. I believe that when you go to a doctor to undergo abortion doctors are obligated to warn you for the consequences the decision may have, but I'm not sure about that one.

Long story short, it *is* legal, but under pretty strict regulations.
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1 up, 10m
Thank you for your knowledge on the subject.
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1 up, 10m
What race is it? Is it legal?

If the answer is “not white” and/or “no”

Go ahead and abort it. Because once it’s born we don’t care about it anyway.
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There is also videos out there proving that they can feel pain as early as about 10-11 weeks, watch Hunter Avalones video on why he's against abortion, I couldn't even finish watching half the video I was so disgusted and horrified
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0 ups, 9m
10-11 weeks? Yeah right. I've read a JAMA article that says the neural connections required to feel pain don't fully develop until the late second or early third trimester.
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2 ups, 10m
Great meme:)
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0 ups, 9m
fetus cant make cenacore mashup rn yuck any question
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1 up, 10m
let's associate all abortion-supporters with anyone who doesn't like trump's policies, shall we?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNkfpuXOVU
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3 ups, 10m,
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So you think 45 is moral?
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4 ups, 10m,
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3 ups, 10m,
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Try explaining it. Only slower this time
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3 ups, 10m,
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See if this helps
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3 ups, 10m,
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Except it isn't murder in the eyes of the law. And the law is what matters not your pitiful opinion
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2 ups, 10m,
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So slavery was moral when it occurred because it was legal at the time?
Morral and legal are two completely different things.
And if we are using "legal" as the goal post, I will remind you that while they may have found questionable activity on his part, depite trying their hardest they have found nothing illegal "in the eyes of the law. And the law is what matters not your pitiful opinion"
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3 ups, 10m,
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Wow, I'm actually pro choice. But your "it's legal" arguement is crap. It is a mindless different to authority, which can change. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right, or that the law won't change (perhaps in a direction you don't like). If you can't defend abortion without differing to the current legality of it, it is YOU who needs to check your moral compass. There are arguements that support abortion, but legality is NOT one of them. Now stop acting like an NPC and come up with a valid arguement.
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1 up, 10m,
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I support the law. That is all that needs to be said.
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4 ups, 10m,
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So if the law said blacks weren't people, you'd support that. What about a one child policy with forced abortions. How about forced sterilization of people with "undesirable" traits. It wasn't until recently that same sex marriage was legal. People had to fight the law for that.
"I support the law" as an arguement is devoid of any morality.
If you mean "I support THIS SPECIFIC law", tell me why, beyond it's the law. Admittedly this is a complicated issue, so I would expect your response to be a little long and meandering, but it would be nice if the thoughts expressed we're actually yours.
1 up, 10m
I support the law. That is all that needs to be said. You don't like the law... Change it
1 up, 10m
Although the person you're a debating with won't realize that he lost the debate, you did an excellent job at showing the flaws in their logic.
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1 up, 10m,
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Dumbass pro lifers? Someone who is pro child killing calling someone a dumbass. Funny.
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0 ups, 9m
"pro child killing" lol
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1 up, 10m
Do you also abide to the law when it comes to illegal immigration or the legal right go bear arm or do you pick and choose which laws are going to get your argument some validity?
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4 ups, 10m,
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4 ups, 10m,
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So do you think 45 is moral?
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1 up, 10m
You think paying a woman you just had sex with to keep quiet about the affair is on the same level of immorality as someone ripping apart a human life?
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3 ups, 10m,
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4 ups, 10m,
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If you are proud you voted for an immoral candidate you have even bigger problems.
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5 ups, 10m,
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On abortion
"It isn't a child. It is a fetus. If you knew the law you would be capable of understanding. Apparently you aren't capable on this issue"
On slavery
"It isn't a person. It is property. If you knew the law you would be capable of understanding. Apparently you aren't capable on this issue"
2 ups, 10m
Same ole same ole
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2 ups, 10m,
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It's not the one who aborts who is dealing with the consequences of a bad choice. It's the child who's life is being terminated. Hold your point of view if you want, but don't fool yourself about what it is.
0 ups, 10m
So you're against war and capital punishment as well? They take life. Are you going to be consistent?
1 up, 10m
It isn't a child. It is a fetus. If you knew the law you would be capable of understanding. Apparently you aren't capable on this issue
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2 ups, 10m,
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3 ups, 10m
Bob's moral compass wants to infringe upon others by restricting their freedom of choice regarding abortion.
Don't be like Bob.
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2 ups, 10m,
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That's a child? You can put clothes on it and take it to the zoo? You can put it in a high chair and feed it strained peas? You can play catch with it? You can teach it how to read a book?

It can survive on its own outside a womb?
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8 ups, 10m,
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It is not a child - it is the living embodiment of the promise of our species. As one who carried four of these beings beneath my heart from conception to birth, I know what they are capable of: they can make you vomit, they can make your back ache, they can and will make you kiss your girlish figure goodbye. But they are also capable of much more: they move, they suck their thumbs, they sleep, they dream, they grow with the nourishment of your body and they thrive with your joy. No, they cannot survive outside the womb - oh, wait! My premature son did just that! As for the other things these beings cannot do, most all those things will come in time and with nurturing and love. Scoff at the beautiful, precious being we are while in the process of becoming what we will be after birth and you scoff at nature. Nothing worthwhile comes instantly. These beings, as all creatures, develop in their own good time, and in this case their worth is more immeasurable than the stars in the heavens. Those who dismiss the value of these precious beings fail to appreciate the very essence of what it means to be human.
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3 ups, 10m
Well put.
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1 up, 9m
Even though I disagree with parts of your comment, it was very well-written.

Your premature son could survive outside the womb by that point. Before a certain point of development, survival outside the womb is impossible, that's all I was saying.
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1 up, 10m
Thanks for sharing that Norse
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1 up, 10m,
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I’m sure as long as trump can force through some sort of executive order whereby only white males over 50 can vote...he’ll win a second term
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Rape victims are one thing, people getting abortions cause they were stupid and did use protection and a completely different thing.
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