THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT AN INSTRUMENT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO RESTRAIN THE PEOPLE IT IS AN INSTRUMENT FOR THE PEOPLE TO RESTRAIN THE GOVERNMEN | image tagged in constitution,government | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Democrats want it gone so they can begin the New World Order.
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ACTUALLY IT WAS REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT GEORGE H.W. BUSH THAT SAID THAT BUT IT'S NOT LIKE ANY OF THESE NUMBNUTS WOULD KNOW, SO WE'LL GO WITH WH | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA!! NEW WORLD ORDER!! | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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4 LIFE ! | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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HELL YEA BROTHER | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Am I The Only One Around Here Meme | LIKE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT THAT BIRD FROM HERE WITH THIS LITTLE PISTOL! | image tagged in memes,am i the only one around here | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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You got that right!
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My typo: Should be "protect" us from mobs.
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Wow.
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Dammit, look! You guys've turned it into an ugly stick!
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I think it's more of an instrument for the Judicial Branch to restrain governments.
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We've got all the protections money can buy.

And by 'we' I mean corporations, lobby groups, billionaires...
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You cite the 3/5 Compromise but ignore the point of it... The Institution of Slavery in itself restrained Black People (Literally)... the options were
1. End Slavery. the Best choice morally , but not viable at the time (had we fought the Civil War in the wake of the Revolution, both fledgling nations would have been susceptible to reclamation by England, if not Invasion from France or Spain (or some combination)
2. if Slaves had counted 1:1 slave states gets a weighted representation in the House
3. Slaves count for Nothing, and you deny what Little humanity the Pro-slavery crowd was willing to admit they had (if only in their own self interest)
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Not that he is not arguing to amend the constitution and repeal the 2nd amendment (Not a position that I agree with, but it is a reasonable position that many hold). He is using a past mistake in it, that has been amended, to justify ignoring the entire thing. In his mind, no rules apply to him, but he gets to make the rules. Don't waste your time arguing with him.
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Yes, they were "Four Score and Seven" (87) years apart... without the 3/5 Compromise that timetable would have been Moved up, and Neither what we call 'Union' Or Confederacy' would have been strong enough to handle a war on two fronts, with each other and an outsider looking to get involved... and even if we'd been 'left alone' to settle it, what are the odds that Post War Reconciliation would have 'taken' without that near Century of "brotherhood" to build from...
- at best there would have been a 2nd Civil war 'on schedule'... at worst we'd be looking at a France/Germany situation with centuries of disputed land and conflict
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France didn't essentially fund the Colonies in the Revolution? England didn't back the poor Confederacy?

Almost a century is barely a wake, especially with life expectency what is it was back then. Social and technological progress from a basically medievel world to the dawn of the modern one made that gulf even wider.

There was no Germany prior to 1871, just States squabbling over hedgerows. We had to wait another half century for them to make noise on the world stage.
The colonial powers of the era and area were of concern: Britain (1812 was closer to both those other wars), Spain, Portugal, oh, and almost France. And they were, as we saw, more content to watch the US rip itself apart. At most, involvement would have been indirect, funding sides as proxys.
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France and what is now Germany (then Prussia, or states fighting over hedgerows as you say) had been killing each other over those hedgerows for 300 years... it Came to a head in 1870 with the Franco Prussian war... the results of which were still festering in 40 years later when they helped Fuel WWI... (I used Germany, because it it is the modern name of the area, and this is mostly a comedy site, I didn't feel like going Full History Teacher)

and AGAIN... the Civil War AS WE KNOW IT took 90 years to happen... had we forced the issue of Slavery while still writing our Constitution, then the Civil War Happens earlier (what part of that change to the timeline keeps eluding you) and regardless if France and the UK were using the Union and South as Proxies... do you really think either would hesitate to come in after the fact and pick the bones of the loser... Also, with a Post-Revolution Civil War; what happens if the UK decided to actively support a Rebel South and they come down from Canada in 1812 (like reality) the 1800-ish version of the Union is now Pinned between 'The South' and a Canadian Invasion (they are the only country to successfully burn down our Capitol) and Again Remember 1800 France still held the Louisiana Territory; would they still support 'the Union' in our infighting, would they decide 'the South' had it right?
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90 years is not "in the wake of"

France sold the Louisiana Territory because it needed the money to fund their glorious Emperor's quest for real (prized) territory back on the Continent. Swamps and canyons an ocean and a half away being more costly to administer and protect from the USA, UK, Spain and Mexico. Spain itself having owned Louisiana just short years before.

At the time, other than labor intensive expensive to grow crops like cotton and tobacco of which the UK/US had a shortage of labor - poor, penal, and indentured - to farm (thus requiring said slavery), the only known resource of value the US had to offer in quantity was lumber. More cost effective to let the dirt poor field hands to sell than to send their own to fell. In fact, Britain's main venue of profit in this hemisphere prior to the ending of it was the slave trade and the banking and insurance that flourished around it.
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PS: You mentioned Spain along with France earlier, my mistake for forgetting that in my 2nd response.

I only posted this map now because it looks nice, topography and color wise.

I'm no expert in the specifics of all this, hence my generalised approach to the matter.
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generalized*

Spent 3 years on a forum with a lot of Brits and am in personal touch with some. My spelling is bad enough as is, and now I get even more confused.
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plus the relativly-new U.S. was still recovering from the trainwreck that was the Articles of Confederation
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I'm sure there are plenty of black people reading that and thinking to themselves, good logical argument, can't disagree with that. I'm sure my ancestors understood it was for the greater good of the fledgling nation
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the First Slave Owner in America was a Black man in the 1650s...

and the Slave trade only worked because African Slavers sold 'their own People' to the Europeans, and more still to Muslims... Go far enough back and any random Black Person's Ancestor was just as likely on the Other end of that Bill of Sale...

I'm from West Prussian Stock, Came to the US post Civil War/ pre-WWI don't try to pull that Ancestral Guilt Bull Crap on me... we were too busy 'fighting over hedgerows'...
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