What if it's us, not them?

What if it's us, not them? | THINGS SUCKED UNDER BUSH, THINGS SUCKED UNDER OBAMA, AND THINGS SUCK UNDER TRUMP MAYBE OUR PRESIDENT ISN'T THE PROBLEM | image tagged in memes,black girl wat | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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19 ups
Oh man thats a fire meme right there. Upvoted boi
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14 ups, 2 replies
THINGS ARE GREAT UNDER TRUMP EXCEPT FOR THE CRY BABIES WHO CAN'T SEEM TO GET OVER IT | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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Trump Crybaby | NO LIBERAL (OR CONSERVATIVE) IS A BIGGER CRY BABY THAN ME | image tagged in trump crybaby | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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4 ups
I am entertained by the liberal cry babies! Everything is awesome under Trump!
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Batman Slapping Robin Meme | You're always complaining and you're so disagreeable... I'am not! | image tagged in memes,batman slapping robin | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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11 ups, 3 replies
Third World Skeptical Kid Meme | SO YOU'RE SAYING AMERICA SUCKS? WHAT IS YOUR BASELINE? | image tagged in memes,third world skeptical kid | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
Perhaps if you spent some time in one of those third-world 's**thole' country, you might have cause to re-evaluate your threshold of what qualifies as "suck".
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11 ups, 2 replies
The same baseline as feminists who think they're being oppressed.
(Seriously though, i didn't really mean things actually suck, just that no matter what people complain that things suck)
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3 ups, 2 replies
Why don't you tell me what *you* consider to be the "model of greatness" in the world today, and we can break down, item by item, why America is *still* the preferable place to be.
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3 ups, 1 reply
How about you show me, specifically, what America is best in the world at.
I know it isn't education, healthcare, or life expectancy.
I imagine you will probably respond with "Yes it is."
How about providing some evidence? You don't like the sources I provided, then provide others.
Perhaps I am wrong. Show me with something other than the "'Murica is da best!!!!!!!111" propaganda.
I know, I know. It is very un-american of me to actually consider facts instead of blindly worshipping the idea of America.
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1 up
How about you move to Iran and then express your displeasure with the government there in public..oh, and say you're gay too.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Start with these, then work your way down to all of them that are higher than the US. about 25 of em - https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/these-countries-have-the-highest-quality-of-life
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2 ups, 1 reply
Subjective. Irrelevant. Dependent on what criteria you use to define "quality of life". Different criteria = different conclusions. Opinions are not facts, and anyone can weigh value differently to control the outcome.

Example:
If Nation 'A' has more qualities than Nation 'B' of what a particular individual places the greatest value on, that individual will naturally consider Nation 'A' to be superior to Nation 'B'. However, a different person might place higher value on different qualities, making Nation "B' preferable to Nation 'A'.

You clearly put a higher weight on single-payer healthcare, and wealth redistribution than I do, so nations which do that will always rank higher in your evaluation. I have a preference for liberty, a market-based economy, and merit-based preference, as such I will always tend to rank those nations higher.
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2 ups, 1 reply
Ok. Let's look at objective data.
Right now the US has a higher infant mortality rate than Cuba.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-anne-mercer/preventing-infant-deaths-_b_6812102.html

I know you will argue with he source, so here is another saying the US has he highest rates of infant mortality among developed nations, and it comes from the CDC (yeah, our own government acknowledges this as true):
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_05.pdf

So I guess if you want to have children, you have a higher chance of them living in other countries.
Then there is quality of education that children receive:
http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-math-science-reading-skills-2016-12
"The latest ranking of top countries in math, reading, and science is out — and the US didn't crack the top 10"

So there are two issues. Please refute them instead of just repeating "its all subjective" even when presented with objective facts.
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1 up, 1 reply
When it comes to infant mortality, there are a number of problems that make true comparison difficult. Other countries more regularly abort children which may be considered problematic (lower chance of survival, ect). If it is not allowed to be "born", it cannot "die" and count as an infant mortality. Also, because those countries are single payer, many children (premies with low chance of survival) that we would "waste resources" trying (unsuccessfully) to save are considered stillborn or miscarriages, rather than counting as an infant mortality. In other words we acknowledge life where they don't. If you never count it as alive, you don't have to acknowledge it died.
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Can you give some examples of countries where that is the standard operating procedure? And perhaps some evidence to support those claims?
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1 up
Exactly.
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5 ups, 3 replies
Sure, if you use third world countries as your comparison, America is amazing.
Not so much if you use countries like Sweeden, Finland, Canada, etc.
America is one of the worst "first world countries" when you look at access to education, healthcare, and wealth equality.
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4 ups, 2 replies
I guess that depends on what metrics you use to measure. The US may not have the best healthcare if you are measuring *accessibility*, but I wouldn't use that to measure who is "best". The state of medicine in the US is far and away better in terms of *quality* and *technology*.

I would never use "wealth equality" as a metric for anything.

How about oppressive taxation? Scandinavia has America beat on that one, for sure.
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4 ups, 1 reply
Highest quality of life:
Norway
http://www.businessinsider.com/best-countries-to-live-in-2017-3/#2-australia-education-makes-up-over-5-of-the-national-gdp-in-this-country-which-tied-with-switzerland-the-un-found-that-most-students-go-to-school-for-around-20-years-in-australia-11

Best education systems:
Finland
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/11-best-school-systems-in-the-world-a7425391.html

Longest life expectancy:
Monaco
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/who-lives-longest-cias-top-20-nations-for-life-expectancy/21/

Hey, here is one the US ranks #1 in:
Most citizens killed by police
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries
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4 ups
You are a bit snowballed by bs stats.
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2 ups
I second that, i kike to know that if i need medical help i can actually get it. Not just be put on a waiting list so long that i die before treatment "ackhham canada!"
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I have a friend in Canada who is a nurse, her husband had a brain tumor. Guess where they went to treat it? Yup, the United States.
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3 ups, 1 reply
The go live in "Sweeden, Finland, Canada, etc. "
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2 ups, 1 reply
I would love to. Unfortunately I don't have the means to at the moment.

Everytime someone says the whole "love it or leave it" thing I am always for leaving. Hell, give me a ticket and I am outsies!
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1 up, 1 reply
"Give you a ticket?" You mean none of these countries has an open border policy? Can't you hire a coyote to sneak you into Canada? And once you're there, can't you just live off the system?
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0 ups, 1 reply
It isn't so much an issue of open borders. It is a matter of a lack of resources currently available to me. I can make money working, but all of that goes to rent and bills and the expenses of just existing. So I couldn't hire a coyote (not sure if they exist to get people into canada or if they do what the actual term is) because that costs money. Same thing for plane and boat tickets. As well as the vaccinations that would be a good idea t get since m immune system has developed to fight bacteria found in the US. Which is why I said if someone gave me a ticket I would go.
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1 up, 1 reply
Don't lie.. You can't move to canada because you wouldn't pass through immigration. The majority of people who complain about how horrible it is here in america don't have the skills or education to actually legally emigrate. The countries they tout as "superior" don't want them.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Even if you knew what Canada requires for citizenship, you are still lacking some important information that would keep you from accurately assessing if I qualified or not: You know almost nothing about me ( and nothing significant).
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If you were qualified you'd have the means to move. I know you aren't financially stable(by your own admission), and I know that most countries want people that will contribute, not drain. If you are having trouble with simply paying rent and buying food, you aren't the kind of person that nations are looking for. Sorry. They need people who will pay taxes. Someone who can't afford the cost of living is not that.
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10 ups
Upvoted, boi.
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7 ups
Civilization is...
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4 ups
right on
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7 ups, 1 reply
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5 ups
Bingo
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6 ups, 2 replies
Trump has gotten more done than any other president in one year. The only reason there was a government shut down was because democratic idiots wanted to buy stupid bullshit.
CASE CLOSED.
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5 ups, 2 replies
NO NO NO! Things were bullshit under obama...him and hillary ar in bed with some bad bad people.
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Most liberals decide how bad things are based on what they’re told by the liberal media and Hollywood. For example, the unemployment rate umong blacks skyrocketed under the Obama administration. But few if any blacks complained about it because, hey, we got a black president and that makes it OK.
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No it's them and the people beside them
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3 ups, 1 reply
No matter what we will never be truly satisfied, even if our president was Bob Ross.
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4 ups
ya cause no one can ever be satisfied with anything in America it's ridiculous.
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Read books. Books that have been written have all the answers in them. It’s not like we are the First Nation to undergo this type of climate. Yeesh.
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8 ups, 2 replies
DON'T try and tell me it's "a coincidence." These bastids came out the woodwork "The First Year."
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7 ups, 2 replies
Hillary and her "friend and mentor" Senator Robert Byrd.
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"But, but we have to ignore the racists on the Left! "Southern Strategy" and a white supremacist ran over somebody!"
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2 ups, 1 reply
The two do not even compare (perhaps you missed the burning cross). Your hillary strawman is meaningless. Try reading Byrds book.
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7 ups, 1 reply
My meme is factually accurate in that Clinton called Byrd her "friend and mentor." Byrd was a Klansman.
Mentioning that secret societies like the KKK as part of their initiations make the initiates pledge fidelity unto death might be to "conspiracy theorist" for you.
Since your favorite photo is fake and staged with a payed actor use for a photo shoot for a book, means that with the photographic evidence Clinton has more connection to the actual KKK than Trump.
I know, I know, you leftists love this image and you may never recover from having your delusion crushed. But just like the kids who are told Santa is not real: i.imgflip.com/239z9f.gif (click to show)
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Not controlled opposition.
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2 ups, 1 reply
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
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4 ups, 2 replies
Do you realize that anybody can log on to Wikipedia, create an account, and edit articles? Wikipedia wasn't even allowed to be cited as a source when I was in high school, forget about citing it in college.
Please cite something more reliable and I will read it.
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2 ups
and yes, that is why you can use the source links at the bottom. thats how you can tell if an article is legit or not.
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2 ups, 1 reply
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/02/at-least-robert-byrd-apologized-whats-your-excuse-david-duke/?utm_term=.68cc9a4c945f
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5 ups, 3 replies
Washington Post? Wow! James, you should just concede right now!
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4 ups, 2 replies
I WAS MAKING A JOKE! At this point, I have no desire to interfere with political topics on this site. I'm afraid that I will become corrupt like jack_henoff except alt right.
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SilicaSandwhich, you don't have to defend yourself against flaming leftists like laonsite.
His/her/zim/zer replies were for me anyway. They often get triggered when if you use the same tactics as them. i.imgflip.com/1tna1z.gif (click to show)
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Sorry silca, thought you were James and i did not get the joke, i get it now, my bad.
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1 up
Genius of a meme.
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2 ups
Considering everything that happened under Bush from 9/11, to the Iraq War, to the financial crash, I'd say it was definitely the problem in that case.
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I think it is funny. All this talk about how immigrants are ruining America. People will scour the web for incidents of immigrant crime, while ignoring headlines like this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2016/10/16/immigrants-flooding-america-with-nobel-prizes/#500bed76cb6d
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its the country
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Ahh yes, another meme that brings out the weak minded and their various bots to vote themselves up and others down to boost their own infantile memes and ideas. Yep, imgflip sure hasn't changed in 6 years.. Well, more bots and pussies hiding behind them, but hey, thats what happens to all good things. F**knuts find them and f**k things up.
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2 ups
Lefty nutsucker other-countries-are-better nonsense aside, things have been bad and getting worse for a while now -- regardless of who has been president.
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2 ups, 1 reply
And I'm gonna get downvoted for saying the truth, as always.
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5 ups, 1 reply
You typically get downvoted when you say something that isn't true.
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3 ups, 2 replies
And you get upvoted for saying bigoted anti-Islam shit even if it's untrue. Right Christfaq, right. You can't even name them and you say Jews don't control America? Go hang yourself, asshole.
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6 ups, 1 reply
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3 ups
Shut your shithole and get the hell out if you don't like it.
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6 ups, 1 reply
Maybe you should go somewhere else and stop crying.

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5 ups, 1 reply
Show me the rule innthe site where forbids me to talk about politics, douche.
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5 ups, 1 reply
You sound like an autistic 12 year old, so I think I'll just end it here and continue posting political memes.
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5 ups, 3 replies
You're implying there must be some rule because you're telling people to quit posting political memes. You're not a MOD, so it really isn't up to you to tell anyone anything about what they can and cannot do here.

And my reputation here is fine as it is. Most of the memers that post here know who I am and what I do here. I've been on this site longer than anyone currently active. Points don't really matter to me, so I'm not really worried about it.

But as I have already stated, there isn't a rule that says no political memes, so anyone who wishes can post them. And the rules here are loosely followed and enforced by the mods, so it doesn't really matter. Good day.
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no response to my response because you know im right lol
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3 ups, 1 reply
And who, exactly, anointed you the authority figure as to what does and does not belong on imgflip?
If you don't like the communities preferences, perhaps it's YOU who should go elsewhere.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Your profile indicates you joined in 2017. I joined in 2015. I'm in a better position than you to infer what imgflip was "made for".
You have no authority to claim imgflip was not "made for" politics. And if the imgflip community did not like/ respond to political memes, they would not be on the front page. From where I stand, you're the one who is "titty hurt" because you're not getting your way because you've been out voted
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5 ups
Maybe you should know your roll newbie
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4 ups, 1 reply
Memes have evolved into conveying messages as well as humor
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1 up, 1 reply
You mean conveying humor as well as messages.
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0 ups
Yes exactly.
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