Is it because his artistry is so much better than all those others?

:)

Gay people timeline...

1985. We want tolerance!

2005. we want equal rights!

2015. (puts gun to head) bake the F**KING CAKE BIGOT !!

You are correct!

At the end of the day they get couple could have respected the bakers beliefs and walked away.
But they could respect the bakers beliefs.
It's really ironic. The whole situation.

But it will never happen that way.
Even if the SCOTUS rules against Jack Phillips and says that his creative artistry is not protected enough to refuse to make a cake for homosexuals, they will never target a Muslim bakery.
Just like the average leftist doesn't make fun of Mo-ham-head and calls him "a great profit" and with the same breath blasphemes Jesus. They won't target Muslims because they know some Muslims will declare jihad and try to kill them for it.
There may be some conservatives who intentionally call up a Muslim bakery to order something "non-Sharia compliant."
I just hope SCOTUS has enough sense to uphold the First Amendment. I really think these "discriminated minorities" like homosexuals are scapegoats being used to cause all of use to lose more of our rights.

So if the store owner was a black man and refused to make a cake for a gay couple, he would still be labeled as a bigot? I have my doubts.

Definitely.

I doubt it as well. Also this is America. Land of the free. Not land of controlling the white guy to conform to your every complaint. Live and let live. Love and hate what you want. Spend money where you can or spend it where they take it. Also if you are a bigot, ots your right, just don’t expect good outcomes if you make your bigotry public knowledge.

This country spent the better part of the last 200 years discriminating against people with dark skin. Now that people are getting called out on it you'll are crying foul? You can't have it both ways.

They aren't just being called out on issue that happened generations ago, they're being forced to apologize a million times over for atrocities from decades ago. Grind is right you can't call a black man a bigot in this country. I had a black guy call me "boy" a few times. However if I called him that we'd be talking about the job I used to have.

Why are we talking about this? Because discrimination is still happening. This homophobic baker is just one example. The police shootings are another.

Name one semi-well known black bigot. Name one. If nobody knows him/her, it doesn't count. The truth is there are a lot of minority bigots that target their bigotry towards whites.

All members of BLM are racists.

That's the best you could do? Nobody knows who that is without googling him. The point is that American culture only recognizes white bigotry, which is what this chain of replies is about.

whether or not a bigot is well known does not define whether or not they are in fact a bigot

And atop that, lets say that black people couldn't be bigots, why is that?
Is it due to black people being more open minded than white people?

You have 2 options, either accept that he was a bigot for his actions not his appearance, or admit to the hypocrisy of hill billies believing that black people are worse in every way

so which will you give up first?
Homophobia or racism?

So I'll reply to your first sentence cuz the rest is idk.

What you said is true about them being a bigot regardless of being well known. The point is that a black store owner wouldn't be labeled a bigot because he wouldn't have drawn the attention to himself the way the white store owner did. The media wouldn't have treated them the same.

Maybe, but nobody would know because the media wouldn't report on that. Right now there is a war on whites so every opportunity to make white people look like bigots is exploited to the fullest.

That's... needlessly exaggerated. Almost sounds like neo-nazi victim complex propaganda. (I'm willing to accept that white people are generally considered acceptable targets, but a "war on whites" stinks to me of something you read on /pol/).

But it's okay when blacks are the targets? Because it's been like that for too long. Iit's not even close to the way it's been for them and you're uncomfortable. How would you like the roles completely reversed? Think about it...

The pastor/evangelist is named Joshua Feuerstein.
Did those bakers have the right to refuse to create a cake with that message on it? According to what I'm hearing from people who say Jake Phillips had no right to refuse to make a specialty cake for the gay couple, no these pro-LGBT bakers had no right. OR they don't want them to have a right to refuse service based on the bakers morals, conscience, or feelings toward the message the customer wants promoted.

You didn't really answer my question:
Where the pro-LGBT bakers being bigots for refusing him service?
You said,"LGBT bakery was entitled to refuse to bake that cake, just like Jack Phillips was entitled to do what he did."
If they were both entitled to refuse service then why post a meme earlier that says, "He's (Jack Phillips) not a bigot because he's white but because he refused them service because of who they are"???

The cake doesn't have to contain words or designs that are against his beliefs/conscience because the cake itself is the center of a celebration of a ceremony that is against his beliefs/conscience. The cake stands for something, it has meaning just like his creative artistry has meaning. Is that concept really that hard to grasp?

Since when does being a cake maker put someone on such a moral high ground anyway?

In case this one doesn't get featured:
This ruling came 2-7-18:
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Pointless to speculate huh? So much for science.

They went down to another bakery and ultimately got someone else to make them a cake.

Spicy!! B)

Suppose you owned something and didn’t want to sell it to me because you didn’t like me (news flash: you don’t!)? Would I be able to sue because you wouldn’t do business with me?

Why don't I like you?

Did this happen somewhere?

This man is Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cake Shop.
This incident first happened in 2012 before same sex "marriage" was even legal in Colorado. The couple wanted the cake for their ceremony in anther state. He told them he would sale them a premade cake but would not make the custom cake they wanted. So they came back with a news crew and lawsuits ensued.
The government in CO really tried to mess up the baker's life.
The Supreme Court is hearing his case right now.
Alliance Defending Freedom is arguing his case.

The government can't for anyone to make anything they don't want to. How is this a problem? If the court rules against the baker, then I'm going to make all musicians put my name in their songs, otherwise that's discrimination towards me.

Sorry, unless you are considered a "protected minority" it won't work. Ask any leftists or Social Justice Warrior and they will tell you that straight white men can't be discriminated against. If you're a white woman maybe, just maybe, but probably not.

I'm not white. I'm native American. Oglala Sioux to be exact. And I believe in civil liberties. That being that someone cannot be forced to do something they don't want to.

That's great that you believe in civil liberty.
I am a straight white male so my social justice victim status in non-existent. Keep standing up for civil liberty.

I like how you show someone bending over in your meme. Because nothing says civil liberties like a white male complaining about the oppressed trying to stand up for their rights...

He already offered to sell them cakes he already made. So... He doesn't have to make anyone anything if he doesn't want to for any reason.

Also, his business is on private property. Therefore, enforcing his right to refuse business with a customer.

If someone refused my money, I'll take it to their competitor. And tell my friends about how he refused to sell to me and then maybe that'll hurt his business. But, I don't think there should be a law that forces him to make me anything he doesn't want to.

No one said he had to be forced to do it. But it's still discrimination. Besides, who wants day old cake for a wedding?

Gay or straight most wdding cakes are a day or two old anyway. But im a cakist and no one gets my cakes. White Flour, White Flour!!

My wedding cake was made the morning of... just saying...

I wish I could upvote this twice. Too funny!

Ummm he has to adhere to new rules now. It's a governmental force. Not physical.

Who said anyone was getting physical?

Nobody.

I guess we'll never see that guy make a gay wedding cake.

Life is horrid.

Yeap.

Are the gay cakes in your country more creamy than straight cakes? Do they come with more sprinkles? If I go to your country how could I tell if a cake is straight or gay?

And just how are rules imposed by the government enforced? I guess nothing happens to anyone who refuses to pay taxes?

Legal ramifications. You could easily look all this up, for yourself. Thank you, bye.

What is "legal ramifications"? And how are these ramifications enforced? Look, I will spell this out for you, plain as day, so you do not have to strain yourself by thinking. If you don't comply with the law, the government keeps escalating until you finally submit, or you are dead. That is the exact opposite of "not physical'.

When the term “legal ramifications” is used it means that there may be consequences or results obtained under the law. For example, not paying your rent on time with your landlord may have the legal ramifications of having to pay a late fee, being evicted or removed from the dwelling or place of residence.

Opposite of not physical, is physical.

Just because it's discrimination doesn't make it a legal or social matter. It makes him an asshole, but that's it.

What I want to know, that is also being left out of the picture, is the content of the cake. Why was a regular cake not good enough? Did the cake they wanted made had gay content on it? Perhaps a picture of one dude sucking the other dude's p**is? What was it that they wanted to make on that cake that was SO special that made the cake maker refuse to make it?

From what Phillips has said himself, "When I design and make a unique cake that is a celebration of the marriage ceremony."
He did not want to use his artistic talent to celebrate in something he does not believe in. That is his and every American citizen's protected First Amendment right. He was not refusing to serve them a cake, he offered to sell them a pre-made cake. He was refusing to use his creative artistic talent to celebrate or take part in their marriage.

Well, to confirm. Can we have the gay couple and the press go to a Muslim bakery and ask them to make a special gay wedding cake? Can we arrange that to make it happen? I will pay to see that on national television. Let's get them phone calls started.

It will be so much fun to watch. I can already see it. Season 1, "Being gay and buying gay cakes at Senegal and Jordan"!

I'd be interested to see the response at this Halal place up the street...

I don't know for sure but it seems his problem wasn't with the cake itself, but with who was buying it.

I think it is important material being left out. Does anyone knows for certain or do we have a bunch of people here arguing about something they don't have all the facts about?

It's still an active news item. The cakemaker is out in Colorado.