Why Socialism Works

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Blank Nut Button Meme | WHAT SHALL WE HAVE ANYTHING BUT SOCIALISM | image tagged in memes,blank nut button | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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I'd prefer socialism to communism or fascism (yes, communism and socialism are different ideologies). Still, that's like at saying at least cutting my hand off isn't as bad as cutting my arm off...
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"The goal of socialism is communism"
- Vladimir Lenin
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I've talked to both, and there are a few (though not many) nuances between them. Basically, a communist is a slightly more consistent socialist (which is not saying much). Socialists claim to believe that people own the product of their labor, but contradict themselves by arbitrarily dividing "means of production" from other kinds of property. Communists believe that people own their labor, but not the product of their labor.
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The happiest country in the world is Denmark.

Socialists!
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8 ups, 2 replies
Made a huge amount of money through capitalism, didn't know how to spend it, decided to go semi socialist.

Socialism works when you're country has money out the wazo. Sadly, the US does not have that kind of money. Keep it outa here.
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8 ups, 2 replies
We do have that kind of money. WTF are you talking about? We have the most money. The best money. HUGE money.
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Yuuuuge money. Until it's divided amongst our yuuuuge population.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Don't forget about the money U.S. ows
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You realize every country has national debt right?
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If it's paid for with tax dollars, it's socialism. Don't believe me? Look it up. The States have been socialist since the very first taxes were passed.
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I've looked it up. The country was capitalist and got rich, so the government decided to go semi socialist to spread the wealth. It worked out because they have a small population.
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You're missing the point; any government funded tax revenue is already socialist. I.e. --Denmark/United States didn't "go semi-socialist," it already was socialist.

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production as well as the political theories and movements associated with them. Social ownership may refer to forms of *public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to *citizen ownership of equity. In other words, socialism can be either capitalist or communist. Or to put it more bluntly, socialism does not equal communism even though there are elements that would have you swallow that lie.

Take a corporation like let's say Morton Salt (yes, I'm looking at the salt shaker on the table): president, vice-presidents, board of directors, under-secretaries (sort of) stock holders, etc., all of whom are focused on profitability...pretty much as capitalist as it gets, right? But it's also a socialist construct by definition because the assets are collectively owned by citizens (the in-name owners as well as the stock-holders)--and yes, if you own stock in a company, you have a percentage-based ownership of that company. If that wasn't the case, hostile take-overs would be impossible. So long story short, if a nation doesn't operate under a command economy and instead collects taxes to cover the costs of its governmental administration, it's socialist.
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Sorry, the second sentence is supposed to read: You're missing the point; any government funded *by* tax revenue is already socialist. I.e. --Denmark/United States didn't "go semi-socialist," it already was socialist.
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Oh, goddammit...the FIRST SENTENCE is supposed to read: You're missing the point; any government funded *by* tax revenue .....yaddah, yaddah, yaddah.
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Firstly, no. Denmark is a capitalist country with socialized healthcare and education. Secondly, no. Denmark is only the happiest country according to their own government surveys. The Danes are indoctrinated from their youth to believe that "free" healthcare and "free" education equals happiness. Their alcoholism, opiate addiction, and suicide rates beg to differ. Third: they are taxed 60% of their income to afford their "free" healthcare and education. Even the upper-middle class are forced to live in cramped railroad apartments that in America would be reserved for those in subsidized section 8 housing.
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THANK YOU!!
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What a load of cobblers. Yes Denmark is a capitalist country, but with strong principles of social democracy. It must be hella nice for those Danes in "cramped railroad apartments" when they don't need to choose between them and a life saving operation. The US has been spreading these paranoiac myths about Scandinavian suicide rates for donkey's years.
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If those prisons cells are what he considers shabby, I'd love to see the luxury quality rentals he considers basic in the US.
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Social democracy? That's not a thing. Democracy just means that the populace has a vote. And it's probably not so nice when healthcare is rationed and a panel of "experts" force you to wait for that life saving operation because they don't have the resources for it. Here's an idea: let an individual person decide how to spend what they earn from their labor, rather than government bureaucrats deciding for us. It's called freedom. Don't like it? Move to Denmark. Or try Cuba if that's too cold for you, they have "free" stuff too. Just don't be surprised when there's none left after the long line.
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<Write a comment - ignore how healthcare has worked successfully in a number of European countries for the last 50 years. Trot out some libertarian waffle> How does that work if you don't earn anything from your labour, or your health affects your ability to generate income? The answer is it doesn't. Unless you can rely on other people.
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*Soviet anthem plays*
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3 ups, 1 reply
Even the older ones are better than standard dorm rooms at better US colleges.
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I really don't know how to respond to this. Are you agreeing with me about wanton waste of taxpayer money? Are you sarcastically suggesting that I'm right, or seriously suggesting that stylish, expensive prison cells are a good idea? You literally brought my brain to a screeching halt.
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Don't know where you live at, but if your sucky housing is at par with Danish apartments (and thus better than those prison cells), give directions, I am relocating. I don't have Section 8, but whatever they're asking I will double.
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A fly that has lioved his whole life in horseradish, thinks it's the sweetest stuff in the world
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NOT socialism!
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FAKE NEWS
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10 ups, 2 replies
TRUE socialism....like TRUE communism or TRUE capitalism or TRUE anything doesn't work because people are inherently greedy. You need to have a balance and laws that force people to not be assholes.
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Pun intended :)
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"Laws that force people not to be assholes". Sounds like something Hitler would have said... Right before making a bunch of laws... That enabled people to be assholes.
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Yeah because we are all so righteous that anarchy is feasible. The fact is we are all greedy assholes. And we NEED consequences to make us be better. Like laws. Or santa claus...or God.
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I never said anything about anarchy. Anarchy always inevitably leads to tyranny. But how exactly would you make a law against being an asshole? Seriously, how would you word the legislation? And who would write these laws? The government? Based on the inherent benevolence of government? Naa. They weren't greedy assholes at all.
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ALL laws are there to help us not be assholes. That's the point. If we weren't assholes by nature we wouldn't need laws.
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Maybe you're an asshole by nature, but laws are there to keep normal, civil people protected from assholes by allowing us to lock them up. You must be a sad, confused person to have so little faith in humanity, yet so much faith in government.
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Government IS people, dummy. Groups of people bound together by rules (laws) and I trust "humanity" within the ideology of government. And government can be corrupt....because the HUMANITY running it is/are corrupt. But at least laws are there to hold people accountable for their assholish ways.

Oh- and trust me, you're an asshole by nature. I am sure it's clearly evident to everyone that knows you.
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Wow. I'm an asshole says the person who descends from discussion into name calling. Typical lefty. Yes, government are people, that's why we have separation of powers, checks and balances, federalism. Again I challenge: how would YOU write a law that forbids being an asshole. Particularly one what doesn't involve locking us both up for meme comments
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How would *I* write a law that forbids being an asshole? They already exist: Speeding laws. Reckless driving laws. Child endangerment laws. ANY law is there to stop people from being assholes. What are you missing?
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Then what are you proposing? Or are you saying that things are all well and good, and that the laws we have are great?
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OK I will spell this out as much as I can but I am done after this:
ANYTHING MAN TOUCHES IS CORRUPTED BY THEIR GREED

So- governments, corporations, personal decisions, financial institutions, EVERYTHING we are involved in is influenced by the humans involved.

People are (for the most part) greedy, self centered assholes. We all are. Some more than others. This is why Capitalism doesn't work for everyone. Or Communism. Or socialism. Or whatever. It's also why we NEED to have laws to follow (like you know ANY law...) let's start with environmental laws. Corporations would dump toxic chemicals into your backyard if there wasn't a law saying they couldn't. People would drive like complete idiots (MORE THAN THEY ALREADY DO!) if there weren't cops to pull them over and arrest them.

When you look at "socialist" countries like Denmark, Germany, or literally basically ANY civilized western country outside of the US....the people seem happier than here. "Socialist" has become a scare tactic by the rich conservatives in this country to make their uneducated base fearful of moving toward a system those lower class conservatives would be WAY better under, Look up "top countries for quality of life" The USA is not #1.

These other countries work well because laws help to keep people in line. Places like Venezuela (the one place the right LOVES to point out "socialism" is not working) are NOT doing well because they have dictators in charge who do NOT follow the laws or don't enact them in the first place to benefit the most people. Again...GREED and assholes ruining it for the masses.

Denmark has less assholes and/or better laws to protect them from assholes.
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7 ups, 1 reply
I don't have a hand fetish, but that's the sexiest hand I've seen on this site. lol
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Sounds EXACTLY like Capitalism.
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To some i suppose. I think I'd rather have the opportunity of capitalism than the collective misery of communism - but to each their own, as they say.
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7 ups, 1 reply
WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!
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By all means, show us your chart of how many people die of poor healthcare in each of these countries.
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How about you show us a chart based on fact.
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So you can't?
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You first
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So you can't.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Still waiting for you to show us a chart with data based on facts. I’ve alredy debunked your chart. The meme I posted was just for fun but it looks like you’re taking it seriously so now you need to be serious about your meme.
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0 ups, 1 reply
I never posted a chart for you to debunk. I love how you idiots make dubious claims and then, when called out on it, act like it's your opponent's responsibility to do your research for you.
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I love how you idiots can’t take a meme for what it’s worth. Since you’re not the one who posted the chasers I replied to, maybe you should argu with them.
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8 ups
Get your Tupac freak on, homestyle girl.
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5 ups, 1 reply
Some research into your topic is in order.
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3 ups, 1 reply
If the government collects taxes to cover the cost of administration, infrastructure, public facilities, public services, yes. The only non-socialist system is when a government operates as a 100% command-economy wherein everything belongs to the government or monarch or dictator and citizens own absolutely nothing.
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0 ups, 1 reply
So, Communism.
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3 ups
Only if it's a communist command economy without a medium of exchange where everything is provided by the government and everything which is produced belongs to the government.

Even the Soviet Union maintained private land ownership after a fashion, paid wages, used currency as a medium of exchange and allowed small businesses to operate outside of the "people's domain". That was their dirty little secret --they were only about 90% communist with a 10% splash of capitalist. What they didn't do is levy taxes; it wasn't necessary because most means of production belonged to the people (government) and all output was the property of the people which was then (allegedly) divided evenly among the population. Again, communism is socialism but socialism is not necessarily communism. Likewise with capitalism.
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4 ups, 1 reply
"Short. Sweet. And to the point.

Now sell it and make lots of money off of it."
-Capitalism
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3 ups, 1 reply
Somebody beat you to it.
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This is real!? Haha! Perfect!
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4 ups, 1 reply
Glad to see someone else found it lol
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4 ups, 2 replies
What's the next page say?
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You can buy it and find out.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1521531218/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apu_W-UOBb3DJ9HMG
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2 ups
Actually I already know. :)
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4 ups, 1 reply
NOTHING WORKS
POLITICS IS CANCER
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2 ups, 1 reply
Going up a level
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1 up, 1 reply
Cuba is doing well though
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That’s why Americans are risking their lives trying to get there :)
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1 up, 1 reply
Exactly!!
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Russia from Earth is M O N A R C H I S T G A N G
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1 up, 2 replies
Nothing the Democrats support works.
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2 ups, 1 reply
"Nothing the Democrats support works"

That's why Silicon Valley is such an impoverished slum, right?
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Have you been to Silicon Valley lately? I live here. They lost over 60% of the high tech industry since 2008. Majority of the area known as "Silicon Valley" is actually a ghost town of empty office buildings.

As I continue to remind you again and again, don't believe everything you read in the media. Do some real research. The media lies by the use of manipulation and disinformation.

They claim that Gov Brown eliminated California's debt when he was re-elected a few years ago. Reality: He used pension funds to pay off those debts and it was "temporarily." Now we have both debt and unfunded liability amounting more than $1 trillion. This is why California is ranked #43 in fiscal health.

Media here reported that Independents are now more than Republicans in California. But they neglect to tell you the % of Republicans didn't actually change, it remains at 33%. What changed was Democrats, a lot of them, now register as independents.

So as you can see, you again, like a typical liberal, still believe in outdated 1990 media BS on Silicon Valley or the fiscal state of California. California right now is actually a "poverty" state with more people both in population and per capita under the poverty line. It is #1 in total welfare recepient and #3 welfare recepient per capita.

You keep claiming you're not one of those internet trolls or those uninformed antifa liberals. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Feel absolutely free to research everything I've said here. By research, I mean look up actual data from 3rd party research institutes, not Huffington Post or CNN.
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All I did was point out that Silicon Valley is a prosperous and wealthy area. I said nothing about getting my information from the media. I was born and raised in Silicon Valley so I know firsthand what it's like there. It is possible that it has changed since I left, of course, but when I hear people bash California they like to ignore things like that, as if the entire state is on the brink of collapse and anarchy.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Funny how the happiest countries in the world are all social democracies. Must be all that Marxist propaganda!
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2 ups, 1 reply
If living in a capitalist country is making you unhappy why don’t you try living in one of those happy socialist countries? Try it before you buy into it.
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That's a good idea
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