Kirk went up against some very smart liberals but when your foundation is all lies, you cannot debate the truth

And that is just 2 out of a whole lot more of those "geniuses". The left is full of these people who cannot stand reality.

Yeah... and not one of them would ever dare to debate Kirk...

They don't debate anyone. When's the last time you saw AOC or Crockett or Omar debate someone? They never debate - they just spew out whatever talking points are put on their paper in front of them.

Their politicians. Politicians don't debate anyway

That's what I just said lol. We have found a common ground Czech Cheese. We both understand that politicians don't do a lot of debating.

You're one step closer to leaving behind Democrat/Socialist/Marxist ideals

I'm not a Marxist anyway

Good Marxists aren't cool.

Which is a sad truth. We used to ensure every level of public official would hold debates - such that voters could make informed decisions about how they will exercise their right to vote.

Now a days we don't do that quite as much - instead of a debate, we put politician up in front of a group of like minded individuals who ask questions & the like minded individual asking the question just gets their belief reaffirmed. They don't get the chance to hear views and opinions from the other side of the aisle.

So both R and D voters end up going to the ballot box believing they are absolutely correct in their thinking - never having experienced what someone from the opposite party thinks of a topic.

The end result is polarized individuals who end up seeing opposing views as the enemy, when the reality is that what they want and the other side wants often align in Desired Outcome - but have vastly different mechanisms to get to that Desired Outcome.

And any 'legit' debates end up being three ring circuses and/or one giant pissing match between major candidates.

Yep! Except when Trump is in a Primary Debate. He just mops the floor with the candidates.

"They're eating the dogs!" and "You're being very rude!" are a couple of my favorites. He don't need to go full on to expose his opponent's flaws either.

Usually they do that on their own & then act like nobody noticed. Trump noticed lmao

I'm not saying politicians cannot debate. I'm just saying that's not their main job.

Definitely not their main job - but it should be part of the hiring practices. Politicians don't get up and debate the issues the people bring up anymore prior to elections, except for Presidential & Vice Presidential candidates.

They don’t do that because the left cannot agree to disagree and the Rinos didnt want to get dirty.

I leftists politicians don’t debate. Their policies don’t work and increase suffering and they can’t even defend them in open debate.

The real reason there isn't a Democrat version of Charlie Kirk (besides that one dude Dean) is that Democrats get dunked on by folks like me. I'm nowhere on Kirk's level, but totally Dunk in political debate on this site. All the fun politics posters do on the regular and we are just normal every day people.

If we can have a Dunk session on the regular - Democrats don't have a chance. So nobody will ever try to be Democrat Kirk.

You're absolutely right. Not only that it is very very very hard to argue when the foundation for all of your claims are based on some fantasy world. You just can't argue from a false premise.

Except for that one dude Dean. He's very Shapiro in fast talk & fact based like Kirk

I'm not familiar with him. Is Dean his first or last name? I'll look him up. I would actually like to see a leftie who can actually present their ideas as well as Shapiro.

Bill Maher used to be the Democrats hero but then the Democrats moved to far to the left for him and he never moved. Now Dems don't like as much. But Maher still suffers from trying to make an argument from a week position. That is why so much of what he says is just insult. That's the Saul Alinsky way.

I wonder if Maher will actually have to finally throw out the leftist crap when he realizes it is not viable. Joe Rogan seemed to have.

I've only seen him a few times but every time he's like some little genius goblin wizard

They'd be destroyed by their own side for daring to go against the narrative.

You nailed that one. Absolutely truth.

You beat me to it. Completely true.

but that's why i like ya tone, you a good egg.

Two things conservatives hate

Lmao nope. Reasoning & objective facts belong to the Conservatives these days.

Example: XX XY chromosomes. Conservatives will tell you factually these mean Male and Female. Democrats will argue that gender is a state of mind.

1,000 years from now - when archaeologists are digging up civilization from 2025 & they find Transgender Skeletons, the DNA analysis will prove that the Transgender Individuals are either XX or XY. Male or Female. Not the genders the Transgender individuals expressed for themselves.

That's called an objective fact. Something Democrats have a hard time accepting.

Do you seriously think MLK would have anything to do with liberals today? Not a single lib alive today cares anything about the content of one's character. It's all about DEI and quotas.

MLK would completely dump the Democrats and go back his father's party, Republican.

I believe if MLK were alive today he would very much be shocked on how ignorance has replaced the GOP with maga, Trump, sycophants.

Do you even know who MLK was?

No - the person you're responding does not.

Someone who would never support Trump or maga.

Maybe he would maybe he wouldn't. I never said he would but seeing the most blacks voted for Trump than any other Republican president. The last time they voted that heavily Republican was before Lyndon Johnson's Great Society that pull nearly ever black out of the Republican Party into the Democrat Party. That's when LBJ said, "We'll have those [n-words] voting Democrat for the next 100 years".

MLK Sr was a Republican.

I can pretty much tell that I'm very confident that MLK never would have gone for taking school without parental consent or knowledge and mutilating their bodies. He also wouldn't have gone with the "we don't know what a woman is" people. I seriously doubt he would have supported the murder of babies in the womb.

I don't know MLK, I never met him and if I ever did I would have been too young to remember. But I know he was a Reverend and back then they just didn't have lefty preachers like they have now.

If you could just pull your head out of the liberal propaganda you might have a clue as to what Trump is actually doing for America. Tariffs are being used to equalize trade between us and other nations. It will stop China from undercutting American businesses so much that they can't even complete. This way Trump will bring businesses back to America and resurrect businesses that have long died. This will then create more jobs. But you probably didn't know that, did you?

In terms of the whole abortion aspect, I'm pretty sure he would support that because he often spoke about Sanger's work in reproductive topics. Like... A lot.

MLK did? Wow!!! That doesn't seem like a think a Reverend would get involved with. Did MLK know about Planned Parenthood's "Negro Project"?

Oh well, there are a lot of pastors and churches who support abortion and still call themselves Christian. I don't know how they justify that position.

Who knows. But if he did, you would know, and so would have a lot of others, including those posting here.

If he supported Sanger's "Negro Project" then blacks would have, rightfully, turned their backs on him. He would have been a traitor to blacks.

MLK's niece supports MAGA

MLK was a figure that held strong Family Ties, he believed in the Nuclear Family. He would cringe at the amount of Black Families that are single parent households. He was a figure that held strong beliefs in equal rights - Diversity Equity & Inclusion goes against every equal right he stood for. He would cringe at reverse racism in action. He believed this nation was great despite its faults - he believed in safety for his communities... He would praise Illegal Migrants being deported. He believed in personal accountability & would literally cringe at folks blaming their actions on MAGA and Trump. He would have listened to people call Charlie Kirk racist and would have went through materials and proclaimed he was not.

He would have been at the Charlie Kirk memorials.

Because MLK actually had morals, and a mind of his own!

You do not speak for Martin Luther King Jr.

He cheated on his wife, by the way. How's that for strong family ties?

I never said I did speak for MLK, these are observances by what he spoke and wrote.

He cheated on his wife? Sounds like a human being capable of making mistakes. Just because someone makes mistakes doesn't mean they don't believe in strong family ties. It means they made a mistake.

Then how is that for strong family ties? It only validates my argument here because they didn't get divorced over it. Instead - even with tapes released to the public to discredit MLK - they saw that transgression through and stayed married.

No one’s perfect,. are they

"He [MLK Jr] would have been at the Charlie Kirk memorials."

Naw.... The man who shot MLK Jr would have been at the Charlie Kirk memorials.

Nah. MAGA rallies don't have people that have problems with guns and using them on innocent people. That's a Democrat thing

Maga assassin takes out Minnesota lawmakers had hit list. Short memory.

Was he at a maga rally when that happened? No.

Radicalized. Maga indoctrination. Maga propaganda and Trump rallies created a murderer.

So that's a no.

Sorry, sources say, yes.

Right sources say yes, that's a no.

"A Democrat thing"

Oh? so how many guns have you used on innocent people?

Are we including straws and spitballs?

Also my response was example information about where lots of maga people tend to congregate. Nothing about Kirk's funeral.

You're mistaking up votes for tears again

You got zero upvotes for that meme, and yet you continue to flex like you're somehow superior. How's that fake PhD treating ya?

You're very possibly correct, but he would utterly disavow the Democrat party and have some seriously harsh words for black Americans.

And let's not forget how Malcolm X felt about the white liberals.

"The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives.

Politically the American Negro is nothing but a football and the white liberals control this mentally dead ball through tricks of tokenism: false promises of integration and civil rights. In this profitable game of deceiving and exploiting the political politician of the American Negro, those white liberals have the willing cooperation of the Negro civil rights leaders. These "leaders" sell out our people for just a few crumbs of token recognition and token gains. These "leaders" are satisfied with token victories and token progress because they themselves are nothing but token leaders."

Exactly

But it does contain more of what he said, rather than appearing to simply demonize Liberals.

You lost me with "American Negro"

Maga likes to pretend they're not homophobic, racist, bigots.
That they don't espouse extremest religious beliefs blurred with political rhetoric.
Misogynistic attitudes towards women, as they cheered for a deity who admitted he "grabs them by the pussy" if he feels like it?
Or, the fact that Maga's entire existence revolves around "owning the Libs" as reason for supporting an obviously incompetent and dangerous narcissist?

No, compared with maga, We hold the moral high ground.

Not my words, was quoting Malcolm X.

And everything you claimed about the right, I can just as easily claim about the left.

In point of fact, liberals haven't held the moral high ground since the early days of Obama's first term.

Malcolm X is not MLK.

Sure, you can use your maga sharpie, just like Trump, and attempt to change reality.

But no one, outside your echo chamber, is going to believe it.

Should I write in Japanese, since you clearly have trouble reading English?

Should I respond in German, since you've retreated into goose stepping with fascist maga insult?

🤦‍♂️🤣

Btw, he is dead

Sonic is more relevant than Pokemon. Also, Malcom X actually had views that had common sense in them than MLK. MLK had hope, but Malcom X was more realistic.

Do not speak of things that you do you not understand. Im warning you for the good of society to never say such a thing again.

KKK - Democrats.
Slavery - Democrats.
Fighting a war to keep slaves - Democrats.
Segregation Laws - Democrats.
Jim Crow stuff - Democrats.
1990s era Crime Bill that targeted blacks - Democrats.
Planned Parenthood - Democrats.
Mass Illegal Migration - Democrats.
Expansion of Government Programs to keep people in a perpetual state of being Poor - Democrats.
Providing for Illegal Migrants that strain the system Citizens and Legal Migrants use - Democrats.
Created AntiFa - Democrats.
Sexual Acts in the Oval Office - Democrat.
Publicly says Hunter Biden won't be pardoned because nobody is above the law and then Pardoned Hunter anyway - Democrat.

I don't think you understand what "moral high ground" is.

No, not only are really all those things not on account of Democrats, most Southern, not US. The rest you made up.

KKK was formed in part by - Southern Democrats.
Slavery was mostly attributed to Southern Democrats.
Democrats fought a war to keep slaves and lost.
Democrats created segregation Laws.
Both Jim Crow stuff and 1990s Crime Bill were put into place by Democrats.

I'll give you Planned Parenthood as a win, because technically speaking it wasn't Democrats that came together for it. But it is a Democrat thing now.

Mass Illegal Migration - totally happened under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Democrats are literally fighting to keep funding that would go to Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities.

Created AntiFa? I'll give you that win because it wasn't particularly Democrats who created it - although it is fair to say they have sided with Democrats for the things they show up for.

Sexual Acts in the Oval Office? Totally Bill Clinton and is the only known sexual act to happen in the Oval Office.
Hunter Biden being pardoned? Totally was given a backlog date of preemptive pardons for crimes not even spelled out.

So you're right about 2 of my points I tossed out. The rest are facts.

No, if that was true? Why was Lincoln woke?
I mean, Lincoln freed the slaves?
Emancipation proclamation ? How woke is that?

Everyone who studied 8th grade history knows Southern Democrats were Dixiecrats who are maga today. So your point is moot.
You are the dark side.

Lincoln was a Republican. Thank you for adding points for the Conservatives.

Only a Democrat can take the person who ended Slavery and spin the information to say he was racist lmao.

In name only. Freeing the slaves is not fascism. It's liberalism. You can continue to believe your lies or you could educate yourself and become better than you are now.

Thats a logical fallacy, you cant discount evidence because of your conclusion.

The evidence that the other account provided about freeing slaves.

Correct. Lincoln did not want to free the slaves. Slaves were freed in order to break the South economically and keep the South dependent on the North.

Facts don't care about their feelings & their feelings Trump any facts to themselves.

Maga evidence? You mean, based off your feelings? Or whining that you're victims?

"in name only" no. Not in name. In every essence of the word. The idea of slavery being bad is that people shouldn't be treated differently because of skin tone. A Republican ended it. DEI is the idea that some people should be treated differently & given opportunities because of their skin tone among other factors. A Republican ended that too.

Seems only one side of the aisle wants to keep people unequal because of their skin tone. It's not Republicans.

Right, they have definitely got their moneys worth out of the indoctrination. Can't argue with the cult.

Toejoe0 ups, <1h
Right, they have definitely got their moneys worth out of the indoctrination. Can't argue with the cult.

Nailed it.

Let me try my list again to see if makes more sense to you this time.

Fought Off KKK to take their numbers down to less than 10K - Republicans.
Who was responsible for Slavery - Mostly a Southern State thing - Mostly a Democrat thing - Mostly a white thing
Fought to Free the Slaves - Republicans led by Lincoln.
Voted to End Segregation - Republicans.
Against Jim Crow - Republicans.
Against the 1990s crime bill - Republicans.
People against Baby M_rder - Conservatives & Christians & Republicans
Who stopped mass Illegal Migration - Republican.
Who is cracking down on Illegal Migrant Criminals - Republican led ICE DHS and National Guard
Who is stopping the funding of illegal migrant criminals - Republican.
Who categorized an Organized Group of Anarchists who have caused millions in private & public property damage, as a terrorist organization - Republican
Which side has stopped the most human trafficking in 8 months in history - Republicans.
Which side found thousands of trafficked children that were lost by the other side... Republicans.

Conservatives have had the moral high ground since a Republican ended Slavery.

Modern KKK isn't Republican. There's other White privilege groups too but they also don't represent MAGA either, as MAGA sits on everything Trump says & Trump said those groups should be condemned.

MAGA isn't a skin tone, it isn't a tattoo preference, it isn't a religious thing, it isn't a job title or job level thing. No more than Liberals are anything of those things or not - although colored hair might be a prerequisite... I haven't checked the charter rules in awhile.

That's actually all false.

Actually it's not. But thanks for playing

Well i cant speak for maga, but im not homophobic, a racist or a bigot. I dont hold extremist beliefs in any capacity, im not a mysoginist, ive never „owned a lib“ and I just want a stable country. I think many others would agree with me.

Same for me, except I've been dunking on Libs this entire thread.