Dude in the top photo looks like your average Redditor lmfao

Need to make him about 10 years younger though.

I can’t even tell how old he is, he’s too round

There arw so many goobers who just refuse to see this logic and I have no idea why

Because it's not logical to us. (Also threatening people with punishment is a pretty suspicious way to convince them to accept something, no offence. If something is true, it should be demonstrably true. Why resort to threats (and arguably a sort of emotional/psychological blackmail) to try and convince people? That's the kind of thing the mafia does. If I really wanted to convince people of a particular truth, it would actually be a much better strategy if the concept of hell didn't exist and I instead let them freely make up their minds based on rational arguments and ideally some kind of evidence, rather than fear of torment.)

And there are thousands of religions saying different things. It's not about deliberately refusing to see it. It's about failing to be convinced by the "logic". Otherwise you can end up falling for anything. You likewise presumably refuse to accept Islam is the truth. I could ask you similar questions. You've also been warned multiple times about hell yet you still don't believe Muhammad is the Messenger of God and you will face judgement for not worshipping the One True God. Why is that and what will your defence be if it turns out you're wrong?

(And personally, not to want to sound too flippant, but Islamic hell is a... hell of a lot scarier than Christian hell. If I were you, I'd take my chances with Islam just in case. If you're wrong, Jesus may still go easy on you. Sort of a mini-version of Pascal's Wager, if you like.)

I have zero fear of hell because if God exists, he endowed me with an intellect to question things, and the concept of hell goes against my intellect which He Himself gave me to use. If He didn't want me to use it, why give it to me?

Therefore I spend no time worrying about it. It's simply too fanciful an idea to entertain. Besides, half my friends and people I care about (some of whom have already left this earthly plane) will presumably end up there as they were unbelievers, so even if I got saved, I'd still suffer for all eternity knowing that they're being eternally tormented, unless in heaven you somehow stop caring about them or your memories of them are erased or something, but that sounds like a bit of a copout to me.

Plus the concept of an eternal part of "you" that exists after death makes no sense to me anyway. What part of "you" remains, exactly? Your memories? Your earthly personality? You're not even the same person today that you were 10 years ago. Are "you" even real or an illusion?

The difference is it's a warning of something bad in the future, not a manipulation threat.
See if it is true and you were warned, then it's horrible that you end up there, compared to your belief that it is just manipulation.
The reason Christianity rises above other religions is that everything that can be verified in the Bible is true, whereas in other religions things are demonstrably false. Like Muhammad cutting the moon in half or bhudisms psychological "enlightenment" which just turns out to be brain silence.
In Christianity we have prophecies that have come true, historical events that we later verified were true and more importantly nothing false.

This guy's a troll bro dw

You got me. I'm a white hat troll though. I troll for the good of humanity as well as truth, justice and the American way. A bit like the jinn if you know anything about Islam. Some are malicious spirits; some are good.

YOOOOOOOO BRO CAN YOU FOLLOW ME 🙏

Okay fine I've followed you. Happy now? 🤣 Do you get Christian Karma points?

I just kinda felt like there was a friendship blossoming between us you know

🥰 Okay, honey, but don't get any ideas. I'm not gonna accept Jesus as Lord and Savior into my life any time soon, or be washed by the blood of the Lamb, or receive the Holy Spirit or start speaking in tongues. Sorry. Even if you gave me 10,000 (or 1 million, or 10 million) years. Ain't gonna happen. Ever.

Just so we're clear, okay? As long as you're cool with that.

My heart is too hardened, I'm afraid, and I walk in darkness and sin. I quite like the darkness actually. Doesn't hurt my eyes as much.

You should follow one of my streams too :DDDDD

Hey, the world is always turning
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God doesn't send any one to hell. People choose that for themselves.

I do. I happily choose hell. Because it's as absurd as believing in magical pink unicorns and the Flying Spaghetti Monster or that a pink china teapot is orbiting the moon. It's beyond ridiculous, sorry. And If God endowed me with a rational brain, He can't exactly hold it against me that I failed to "believe" in something so utterly absurd and frankly childish (not to mention unbelievably unjust and immoral).

If you want to believe in that, that's your prerogative and I won't stop you or try to change your mind. I'm not interested in changing your faith. If it genuinely helps you live a better life or cope with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, then more power to you. I also have no time for those militant atheist types. That's lame too and believe me the Richard Dawkins of this world make me cringe almost as much as the Trump supporters. Equally idiotic if you ask me. I know people who are devout believers and their faith keeps them going through hard times, so far be it from me to deprive them of that comfort. I don't see the point in that at all. Why would I even want to deprive them of something that helps them live a better life and cope with trauma? It's not like I have much better to offer them. So I'm not your typical atheist either. I find a lot of them just as insufferable as a lot of hardcore religious types. And tbh their parties also suck lol. I'd much rather go to an Evangelical church than some atheist meetup. At leas the Christians are happy and have good music.

But I'm not ever gonna lose any sleep over whether I may one day burn in some "eternal" fire lol. That's too absurd for words. Sorry. If when we die you're proved right and I'm roasting on a BBQ, then feel free to gloat all you like. I just don't have time for such childish nonsense, sorry. It's just too absurd for me to even contemplate. That's the honest truth. So that's why I'm not a Christian or a Muslim. And no amount of time, torture or "arguments" will change that. It's just absurd. And I'm not having it. End of. But if it makes sense and works for you, then great. I'm not going to try and change your beliefs.

Unless you question me. Then I'll answer you honestly about why I don't believe it. But I have no particular interest to go around "deconverting" believers. That's lame. Faith clearly helps a lot of people and why would I want to change that. It's just that you won't get me to believe in it. Any more than you can get me to believe in the Tooth Fairy.

You must have been bored and had nothing else to do.

That was about as much of a non-reply as I've ever seen. You come off like a militant atheist only to later condemn militant atheists. You constantly rip Christianity as "childish nonsense" and then say you have "no particular interest to go around 'deconverting' believers". Make up your mind.

Seriously dude, what is your point?

And knock it off with the "I'm superior to Christians" attitude. Atheists have no exclusivity on intellect. I've seen atheists that were dumber than a bag of hammers but somehow still think they're smarter than Christians. Yes, some Christians are also stupid. I've met them. I am a software developer, Years ago I have wrote code that dealt with reading bar codes. A friend of my father-in-law was trying to explain to me how barcode were the mark of the beast. I told him giving every item in your inventory the item number 666 is an insane inventory system.

Both atheists and Christians are human beings. Some are dumb and some are very smart. Education, learning, reason and intellect does not make one an atheist. In fact it is probably the opposite because it is human nature to question our existence and atheists are grossly deficient on that answer. "Duh, I dunno" just doesn't cut it for most people.

it is real simple Boolean logic, either there is a God or there isn't. The most important thing that everyone on the planet should do is find out for themselves if there is.

But as you say, you have no time for that. Well... it's your life. I'm not going to tell you what to do.

Literally why is this in the Politics stream when this has NOTHING to do with politics?

Religion is political.

Yeah, religion and politics overlap a lot, although ideally church and state should remain separate in my view. But we seem to be creeping back to the old days, at least in the US, but it's happening elsewhere too.

That's because people see the alternatives and realize its worse.

Uhh welll yes and no

When you mix religion and politics, bad things happen

Thank you for the warning. I find it difficult to take the concept of eternal hellfire seriously though so will continue to take my chances. I can't conceive of a Being smart enough to create the universe who is also petty enough to come up with that. So that alone stops me believing in religions that have it. Judgement is one thing; eternal torment for a temporary sin is another. Not exactly proportional to the crime and God is supposed to be a just God.

Then again He did also create mosquitoes so who knows... 🤔

Plus the Bible barely even describes hell. Just talks about a "second death", gnashing of teeth and a lake of sulfur, etc. The OT describes it even less. A lot of that imagery is probably Dante's fault.

The Qur'an is a bit more explicit though. But who knows if even that isn't taken more metaphorically these days by some "progressive" Muslims.

Might help to know what hell is. It's simply the eternal separation of existence with the God you reject. Heaven, of course is existence in the presence of the God of creation for eternity. There are only four chapters in the Bible that describe creation the way God intended it for us, the first 2 chapters of Genesis, and the last 2 chapters of Revelation. Chapter 3 of Genesis describes Satan deceiving humanity into disobedience. The balance of the Bible describes mankind's determination to put themselves in the place of God, God's description of order and Law, and His plan for redemption, for those who accept it.
The Bible would be just another book, except for one thing. Prophecy. No other religion has that. God says what He is going to do before it happens. And it happens. There are at least 109 fulfilled prophecies of Jesus first advent on earth. There are 2000 regarding His second coming, such as the nation of Israel being completely removed from the promised land, the returning and becoming a nation in one day, May 14, 1948. No other nation in history survived over 400 years without a homeland. There's so much more than that, take astronomy for example. The bible says the heavens will be rolled up like a scroll, can be torn and a couple others. Astronomers are now saying space is not an empty vacuum, but has the characteristics of a fabric, and they've discovered places where the universe is folding back on itself. Fun stuff.
On the other hand, science tells us that humans evolved from a primordial ooze over a few million years to become an intricate, self-replicating creature comprised of 100 trillion cells. So I wonder what evolved first, the muscular system, or the skeletal? The digestive system, or the circulatory system that transports nutrition to and waste away from the cells. Cardio vascular or the respiratory system? Did the nervous system evolve first or the endocrine system? How did blood evolve? It carries nutrients and waste as noted, but also carries oxygen to and CO2 away from the cells, and it fights foreign invaders. How did clotting evolve? I mean millions of primordial humans must have bled to death from skinned knees before evolution finally got it right.
What about the eye? How did it evolve. I has muscles, it's attached directly to the brain, a complex lens system and the inverted image is reversed in the brain. The lens is transparent, yet heavily nourished by blood but we don't see a reddish tint. And there is so much more

The ear now, how did those 4 little bones evolve in the inner ear. Reproduction? The male carries half of the genetic material and the female carries the other half which combines to became another distinct being, with a full set of DNA. Thinking about this would keep me awake at night.
All around us there is evidence of design. That would imply a designer. If only Darwin had written the theory of adaptation, he would have been right.

I'd say stuff happening and elimination by trial and error, since undesirable and actively disadvantageous traits will go extinct due to natural selection. So no, that doesn't necessarily imply a designer...

Also tbf your interpretation of "hell" as being just "the absence of God" is not a universally held Christian belief. It might even be quite a modern interpretation.

In any case, it doesn't concern me because I don't believe in any of it. I'll be 100% honest: I have NO IDEA what's going on. I don't know where the universe came from, "why" we're here, or what the purpose/meaning of our existence is (if there is one). But one thing I am confident of is it's not contained in a bronze-age Hebrew/Aramaic text that talks about YHWH ordering genocide & slavery, or a later Greek text translated over 100 years after Jesus died (we don't even have the original, if it ever existed), in a mixture of fancy Greek (Luke) and sloppier Greek. With internal contradictions (the Gospels don't even agree with each other on a lot of details).

Nor is it to be found in a 7th-century Arabic text that was also written by a supposedly illiterate man who was this close to hurling himself off a cliff, who supposedly heard the voice of Gabriel in a cave before he started a political movement, whose sayings were recorded on fragments of bone & palm leaf & other things & compiled into a codex after his death, & put in no logical order based on the length of surahs rather than any themes (which didn't even include vowels/consonant markings & if you believe some accounts one of the first caliphs had half the variant readings burned), which repeats itself ad nauseam, regurgitates stories from the Bible but gets a lot of the details "wrong", & tells me I'm going to burn in hell on practically every page.

I'm sorry. The idea that the Being who created the Laws of Physics, gravity, atomic forces, Quantum Mechanics, black holes, & guided evolution for billions of years, also produced "books" of this incredibly (laughably) inferior quality... I just can't buy it.

If you want to believe it, great. But trust me when I say you won't be converting a lot of us any time soon, because frankly it insults my intellect & if I want to be extremely blunt, I actually find it deeply, deeply offensive that I should be expected to believe that the Creator of the Cosmos produced these second-rate "books". So if anything, it's the least we can do remain civil & tolerate your beliefs out of respect without resorting to insults.

Honestly, if you wanted us to believe in God, the best thing you could to would be to get rid of your "books". Best argument against God if ever there was one.

Thanks for taking the time to respond and I appreciate that these are your beliefs.

I'm afraid there's extremely little chance of me converting to Christianity (or Islam or any similar religion) in this lifetime). But it's fine if it works for you.

Christianity isn't the only religion that claims to have prophecies.

I'd also be interested (maybe) in specific examples of actual prophecies that were fulfilled. Most Jews don't believe in those prophecies. (If they did, I guess they might become Christians. 🤔)

A lot of them are Christians interpreting the ancient texts after the fact to fit their narrative.

Quite a few are pretty vague and could refer to anything.

And a bunch actually contain textual errors. (Psalm 22:16 is an interesting example. Aside from the fact that it's not talking about Jesus anyway unless you interpret it through that later Christian lens, the original Hebrew literally makes no actual sense. It says "like a lion, my hands and my feet". In short, it's a typo. The text is corrupted. And it's often used as one of the main examples of "prophecy" about Christ. It's literally a typo. Forgive me, but I simply CANNOT believe in an omniscient deity who makes typos. (Let alone one who condones the slaughter of innocents or talks about smashing infants' heads against rocks and other immoral stuff. I just don't have time for that. It's 2025.)

The Qur'an also has tons of "typos" and other textual stuff that makes zero sense, but good luck ever getting a Muslim to ever admit to that. It spells words differently in different verses (so much for consistency), repeats itself ad nauseum, has terrible internal structure, and uses ancient Meccan dialect words. (And those random letters at the start of lots of surahs? They're essentially typos. But apparently they have some hidden meaning or something. Or maybe they just got copied down wrong when the Qur'an was being written down on bits of palm leaf and fragments of bone and literally mean nothing. Just like what happened with the Bible in countless places, which you don't even notice if you only read the English (or other translations).

I'm sorry but I just can't believe the Creator of the Cosmos who came up with the Laws of Physics and Quantum Mechanics could be that sloppy. It stretches credulity beyond any kind of rationality. I find that beyond absurd, so if God wants to burn me in fire for all eternity then so be it. But hey, it works for millions of people so who am I to judge?)

No other religion has profecies, yeah right...