Laws that are not equally applied to all, are not laws at all. They become political weapons.

If you rob a bank and return the money are you not still guilty of Robbery? There a difference I. Being president and not being president when you took documents.

Well in this case no bank teller gave Biden confidential documents he wasn’t entitled to. He took them. After he sold the info he returned the paperwork. Still a crook, still guilty of treason. There is certainly a big difference in what Biden did since he wasn’t president when he took the documents.

"He took them. After he sold the info he returned the paperwork. Still a crook, still guilty of treason.... since he wasn’t president"

Source on... any of that?

Many sources confirm he had classified documents which means he took them. Even leftist sources don’t deny it, but you do?

He and his family accepted large monetary payments from foreign entities for no apparent benefit. Selling classified information to foreign actors is treason. Aside from failing to defend the borders from invasion.

I'm not denying that he HAD them, I just wonder if he personally "took them" or if someone else just packed up everything in whatever offices into boxes and moved them to wherever they were discovered and promptly returned.

So...... do you have a source or don't you?

Why do you need a source for something you already accept. He has and had confidential documents he was not entitled to. The defense you give that you don’t think he took them and someone just “stacked up everything” happens to be exactly what Trump said and yet you accept that as plausible from Biden but not from Trump? I wonder why?

That's it? I mean that IS a source but..... Gottem...? 🙄 He "took the documents" because.. his lawyers came across them and he was surprised to hear there was any documents there?

In any case... if Biden having documents on his property or former office (and giving them back right away) is a crime, take him to court. If he's found guilty, sentence him some sort of punishment.

"The rest of your issue is you disagree with my conviction that he sold information for money."

No, I'm just saying I have not seen evidence of that. Hunter Biden seems to have cashed in on any dummy willing to give him money, was definitely an addict, and apparently paid his taxes a couple years too late..... but that is not necessarily evidence that Joe Biden did something illegal. Or sold documents. Idk.

Good luck with the impeachment or whatever though. Happy new year!

Ii’s still not just Hunter. It’s the whole Biden family receiving and laundering money with ties straight to Biden. We will see what the impeachment inquiry concludes.

Happy New Year!

"Your response Said a source for any of it. I gave one."

Sorry but.. no. "Many sources confirm he had classified documents which means he took them." ...is not a source. 🙄

Considering it seems you weren't serious about the meat of your claim (the alleged "treason"), you should've just provided a source backing up the part about Biden giving back the documents.

Oh jeez how tiresome,

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/less-dozen-classified-documents-found-biden-office-sources-say-rcna65179

There, there’s one where Joe himself admits he had classified documents.

You asked for a source for even one of the things I said. Joe Biden took the documents and it is immaterial if his servant or aide packed them or not. They did so under his direction.

The rest of your issue is you disagree with my conviction that he sold information for money. Congressional investigation says he took pay for unknown information or influence since no other service or value was provided for the exchange of large sums from foreign agents and entities to himself and his family.

Your response Said a source for any of it. I gave one.

Some were from his time in the senate and he had to smuggle them out of the security room.

Yet he hadn't "discovered" that stack in the garage piled up next to his beloved...no, silly, not Jill, the corvette! 🤭

& I think we can agree the OJ case where he was found innocent was somewhat rare...

"The fact that Senator Biden took classified documents home is evidence he did something wrong."

1. Source backing that up?

2. I will attempt to "steel man" your basic argument as far as the alleged wrongdoing (legally) with the most relevant sections capitalized...

18 U.S. Code § 2071
"(a)Whoever WILLFULLY AND UNLAWFULLY CONCEALS, REMOVES mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away ANY record, PAPER DOCUMENT.... filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office...shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

So it kinda goes back to what I originally wondered here.. did he "willfully and unlawfully" take the documents home and "conceal" them or not? did he even know? He claimed to be surprised. You are claiming he knowingly stole them. *shrug* idk.

"you have formed the opinion that Biden has not done anything wrong."

I have formed the opinion that the right wing on the internet often flat out lies, is incredibly incorrect, or has no proof about a wide range of claims they make.... from stuff about Joe Biden, to Obama, to Hillary Clinton, to covid, to the covid vaccines, to the election. So to be fair, I am somewhat biased and tend to automatically think anything said here is bullsh*t by default....based on what I've seen.

I don't know what happened with these documents, I have not seen proof stole them, and as far as I know he's never been found guilty of any sort of theft (or anything else?), so I have no reason to believe that he stole them. I am leaving the door open to the possibility he stole them but I would not definitively say he did as of this point.

I remember when "Innocent until proven guilty" was the right wing's narrative here..... then donald's charity got shut down and that stock reply seemed to kind of fizzle out. 😝 Funny how that works.

Larry Pfeiffer, CIA chief of staff : "I don't want to say 'routine' because I don't want some people to think this is something that happens five times a day. But, I mean, it's a situation that happens enough....we actually have a term. We refer to it as a spillage. You know, when classified material is discovered somewhere it is not supposed to be, we call it a spill. So it's a term of art that has developed because it happens enough."
-NPR

"You have stated that you have no knowledge of what occurred.
Yet, you have drawn a conclusion based on your self professed lack of information."

The conclusion I drew here was that you (and that other guy) were trying to claim Biden did something illegal.......because feelings.

And considering you just stated it was your opinion and you have yet to provide any source saying Biden smuggled, concealed, or otherwise stole classified documents... it would kind of appear I was correct in my conclusion.

I might even go so far as to say y'all are saying Biden is guilty until proven not guilty... but... I have doubts Biden could ever be proven not guilty in the mind of someone on the right...even if proven not guilty in a court of law.

"I will have to wait until he is impeached and removed or otherwise no longer the President in order to criminally charge him.."

Ok well unless he or one of us croaks or quits first, if he's proven guilty for smuggling documents, I'll be right here with you telling him "bro you f*cked up!"....... Just like I'm sure you will if it happens to trump...
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The fact that Senator Biden took classified documents home is evidence he did something wrong.

No feelings involved.

He certainly didn't announce, "hey fellas, I'm just gonna take this home and leave it lay around for 15 years".

In my opinion you are being disingenuous in stating the only conclusion you've drawn is that another individual and I are "trying to claim" Biden did something wrong.

I am not trying to claim that Biden did something wrong, I am claiming that Biden did something wrong.

A prosecutor does the same thing.

Followed by investigating, securing an indictment, making an arrest, bringing the defendant to court, having a trial, and receiving the jury's verdict.

This what is commonly known as "due process".

If the prosecutor was not of the opinion a person did something wrong before them being rendered a verdict no one would ever be put on trial.

Despite your rhetoric, you have formed the opinion that Biden has not done anything wrong.

You have provided no evidence or source that proves he did not smuggle the documents.

Do you have any?

Let's see it.

Or are you relying on your opinions based on your feelings for Joe Biden?

"I" am not allowed to take classified documents from NARA home..? ....Shocking.

Bruh why don't you just admit you actually have no idea what happened..? Lol

You don't know what the documents said... you don't know where they came from... and you don't know how they ended up wherever they ended up.

You're saying he "smuggled them" (implying he intentionally hid them or did something deceptive while taking them) from NARA... and so far I have not seen any evidence or a source proving that.

Clearly at the end of a presidency classified documents in possession of president and vice president end up (or are supposed to eventually end up) at NARA (National Archives and Records Admin). But they are not created there.....which means there is a window of time and locations between when a document is created and labeled whatever degree of classified and when it ends up in NARA.

Also.. government agencies such as the CIA, the pentagon, etc keep classified documents in their offices even after a change in president... so theoretically classified documents could be disseminated by however many other agencies to whoever else in the government. So I'm not sure if any of the documents in question even came from NARA or came from a goverment agency or came from somewhere else.

Also... based on what I've seen so far, it isn't clear if the "documents from when was a senator" means the documents were from that time (1973-2009) AND ended up in his possession at that time (1973-2009)..... or if the documents were from that time period but did not necessarily end up in his possession during that time period.

As far as "clamoring for prosecution with equal fervor", I literally just said take Biden to court about it ...or try to impeach him. If he is found guilty in court, punish him.

Otherwise I guess just keep going on pretending like Biden and Trump did the same thing with the documents and crying about banana republics and such.

I have never posted any "banana republic" laments.

The security measures are for protecting all classified materials.

I will stick to my opinion on the matter.

Yes. I say he smuggled, pocketed, concealed, stole the documents in violation of the law.

If the Senator Biden material had been declassified, no longer sensitive, or spirited away when he was president the media would have surely put that on their five minute loop of 24 hour news.

You have stated that you have no knowledge of what occurred.

Yet, you have drawn a conclusion based on your self professed lack of information.

I will have to wait until he is impeached and removed or otherwise no longer the President in order to criminally charge him...you know that.

Guess he didn't actually "have" to "smuggle" anything out of the "security room" after all.... and considering that Joe Biden is president now POOF ...declassified! mentally!
🎩
😜🪄

"If a senator is good having classified material at his home, how is it that the *ex-President of the United States is a criminal for having classified material at his home?"

Well one continued "having" them... and blabbing about having them to other people... after being asked repeatedly to return them..... And he had to actually have his spot raided by the FBI more than a full year later to get them back........The other just willingly gave back the documents ASAP.

Buy hey.. If you and the right want to think it's the same thing and biden did something super illegal, take him to court.

Or impeach him. I mean hey you GOTTA impeach him for something now... It's 2024! Clock is ticking!
Btw happy new year!

The proper protocols were not followed by Senator, and later Vice President Biden.

He smuggled documents and took them home or another unauthorized place to which he had access

Why are you not clamoring for Joe Biden's prosecution with equal fervor?

Your continued refusal to acknowledge that Senator Biden's possession of classified materials outside of the Capitol is criminal only serves to highlight your contrasting principals.

Happy New Year! 🎉

"...from his time in the senate and he had to smuggle them out of the security room."

Smuggle them? Congress has access to them (and ablilty to declassify them) just as the president does.

I did not assert he did not have access.

I stated, as a senator, he would have had to smuggle the documents out of the security room (and I will add committee meeting room) in order for the document to wind up at his home.

Congress may gave the ability to declassify certain documents for certain reasons, but Senator Biden alone does not.

Documents he had access to were to be returned to secured holding when not in use or no longer needed.

If a senator is good having classified material at his home how is it that the President of the United States is a criminal for having classified material at his home?

I know you will offer an explanation of some difference in the two.

Allow me to save you some wasted typing; ignoring altogether the fact that the President wields greater authority over classified material than a senator, there is no difference.

You should be equally outraged at both.

The laptop from hell stained with cocaine from Hunter. The left is furiously fighting to block the investigation into the incriminating evidence on the laptop crackhead Hunter left behind. I bet he got a spanking from "The Big Guy" for that one! If everything was reversed and Trump and any of his kids were embroiled in the exact same scandal old Joey and Hunter are in, you leftists would be losing your sh*t. You actually did lose your sh*t over the now debunked "Russian Collusion" delusion and the fake "Unarmed Insurrection" calls from the left. Biden is done. The left is starting to throw him under the bus and distance themselves from Joey. His usefulness is done, the fix can't overcome his 37% approval rating, dismal record on everything he touches (including women and kid sniffing) and the pressure about his scandals and millions and millions of dollars funneled from overseas. The dam has a crack and within the next 6 months the whole thing is coming down. Biden is unelectable and the left won't lose their power, fame and wealth without doing literally ANYTHING to retain it.

The liberal mindset is literally that of a cult. It's mind boggling. Truly. I think you actually believe the things you typed here. These CNN/MSNBC/The View talking points are hilarious.

Ya ya ya remind me again.... who is our "cult leader".....?

Who is the guy that we make countless memes of with him portrayed as a god emperor superhero standing on tanks and firing machine guns with giant lions standing around him for some reason(?) 😂
Tell me again about all the rallies/cult meetings that we jam packed ourselves into..... Tell me about all the gear that we buy and wear with our leaders face and slogans on it.... and all the signs and flags and stuff we put in our yard in honor of our "dear leader".
Lol ya TOTALLY a cult bruh. 🙄

And as far as me "actually believing what I said".... If I'm wrong about what I said, feel free to prove it.

You can look it up as readily as anyone.

Pure conjecture, half truths and full lies.

🙄 hypotheticals

Those may be the worst analogies ever attempted. Sheesh.

He was not authorized by law to be in possession of those documents.
Period.

Are we talking about Biden or Trump? Both are guilty of the same thing.

Trump was President and as such, was authorized to be in possession of any classified documents
Biden was VP when he took possession of those classified documents, and as such was NOT authorized to be in possession of said documents
I hope that cleared that up.

True.. that's why the Biden regime had to change the status after the fact for Trump. Otherwise, they couldn't levy that bogus documents charge against Trump.

He has some in his possession from his senate days - totally unlawful. Likely considered espionage.

Right?
Just look at Jo(k)e Biden.

You are trying to bait me for another flag and two day timer.

That's harassment and you don't have to take it!

You flagged me for saying “good for you. You figured it out by yourself”
What rule or TOS did I break or violate?
None. I get comments like that regularly from the usual suspects and I don’t go whining to a mod .
You like to nitpick everything that any and everyone says. Then when they reply, you flag them. It is your M. O.

Fbi search # 5 or 6

Sourced from CBS news.

Are they left enough to be legit?

So stop...

TRUTH

the VP does NOT have the same privileges that the President does.
Those are facts

No I did not.
Why are you and double-bird such nitpicking shrills?

FALSE... Trump was the only president the records office didn't help... just so they could go after him afterwards...

Unsurprisingly, it turns out NARA was there all along, providing the exact same level of help that was provided to his predecessors.

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2023/nr23-015

Hogwash....

As NARA acknowledged in a news release it issued on October 11, 2022: “The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), in accordance with the Presidential Records Act, assumed physical and legal custody of the Presidential records from the administrations of Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, and Ronald Reagan, when those Presidents left office. NARA securely moved these records to temporary facilities that NARA leased from the General Services Administration (GSA), near the locations of the future Presidential Libraries that former Presidents built for NARA. All such temporary facilities met strict archival and security standards, and have been managed and staffed exclusively by NARA employees.”

Why the change? Playing politics, according to the former president’s ex-attorney:

“NARA unfortunately has become overtly political and declined to provide archival assistance to President Trump’s transition team. Interestingly, in its Press Statement NARA cites every recent President after Jimmy Carter as having received the same assistance with ‘archival and security standards,'” Parlatore wrote.

The VP in a SCIF, not in a box in his private garage next to his jalopy…
The President, on the other hand, has much more leeway.

The left will circle the wagons as the trojan horse takes down everything screaming "we are right (I mean Left)." No matter how egregious, how damning, how obvious, the left ALWAYS defends the indefensible with nonsense. ALWAYS. Bill Clinton, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

He had several from his senate days that had to be smuggled out of the secure area in he was permitted to view them.

Research that a lil bit.

Wrong again... VP Biden had no authorization to declassify...

You believe all the crap from the lying media blindly, apparently.

All this information related to the top secret documents is supposed to be under seal, yet somehow it leaks from Jack Smith's team. And that's not me or anyone making anything up, it's an undeniable fact. How else would we know that Trump had the secret plans to attack Iran?!!? Well, the fact of the matter is we have no idea which secret documents he had because they're not supposed to be made public, yet somehow Smith's office manages to leak... a lot. If they were a boat, they'd sink.

So, do you ever stop and ask yourself why do they do that? The answer is obvious.

But you go right on believing everything the lying media tells you, because you *want* it to be true, so that's good enough for you.

No wonder this country is in such serious decline. Our values are under assault. And not just by the left. The right has done a lot of things they should not be proud of. It's just a mess out there, and having a media that is at least 80/20 in one direction over the other, and apparently has lost the moral compass to bury that and be objective when "reporting", only makes it worse when people don't do any checking of what they're being told (i.e. lied to about) by a lying media. It's just sad.

Here's another thing to consider. How do we know the person(s) whose job is to give an ex-president(in this case Trump) declassified info didn't slip in classified info in order to get him into trouble?

We know about the tape because it was recorded by a group writing a book of Mark Meadows' memoirs, and they sold it to CNN.

Just because a copy of a recording has been entered into evidence doesn't mean it's the only copy or that it's prohibited from being distributed or sold for profit.

You assert he former president should not have retained that document, correct?

Why?

Further, he shouldn't have spoken to anyone about it, correct?

Why?