Draft Biden Voters

The unhinged Right comes up with some really strange ideas.

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Chicken Hawk. You voted for this and if it came this war, then I expect you to fight it.

Do you, now?

You know, I really wish I could disappoint you directly, but that would mean that the war you keep predicting actually ever happen in the first place.

Have you heard that we are bombing Iranian allies in Syria?

But it is unusual for Biden to attack them. He wanted a Iran deal just like Obama did.

And yet Obama not only increased sanctions against Iran, he ended the practice of us being the primary buyer of Iranian oil - done via 3rd parties to get around our own sanctions we forced everyone else to be obliged by.

But he didn’t enforce those sanctions because he want to negotiate. Trump put sanctions and enforced them.

False,
We are no longer Iran's main oil (or any) buyer, and even stranger, Iran signed the nuclear deal with no concessions offered to it, other than the door being open to eventually loosening up on the sanctions.
It totally perplexed anyone and all expectations that Iran agreed to it with nothing in return. There was the unfreezing of bank accounts frozen by Carter, but so what, was no gain to th Iranian gov't.

😄 they've already manufactured nuclear bombs

False.

Midnight plane to Iran with 8 million cash onboard, as demanded by the Iranians, sent by B. Hussein Obama. There were millions more that followed in wire transfers. That same ol oil royalties gag.

False.

Source?

For both instances of "false".

No , truth

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If you say so. I'm still noticing a distinct lack of war.

That’s the normalcy bias. There’s a 30% chance of war in the future.

Every newspaper is reporting that that’s a potential regional saris brewing.

No, but I still think Biden voters should be drafted if there’s a war.

If anti is expected to fight it, so are you.

The draft is completely constitutional - "Today, the draft in the United States is administered by the Selective Service System. Although at the time of this writing the U.S. does not have an active draft, the SSS is in operation and actively campaigns to get young men to register so that should a draft ever be needed, it has ready lists of who is eligible. According to the SSS, registration for the draft is required of all men ages 18 through 25. Forms to register are available at all U.S. Post Offices, as well as online. Failure to register can result in a fine of up to $250,000 and disqualification from many federal programs, such as student aid. This system has been in place since 1980".

Absolutely, you said it was unconstitutional , it is completely constitutional. Your point is refuted.

...........nnnnnno, it's not in the Constitution.

If you want to insist on being wrong , I couldn't care less. Conscription doesn't violate any right within the US Constitution. If a war breaks out and we need soldiers , guess what, the draft will be enacted.

Again, I dare you to try.

lol you'll just wind up being put in jail or running .. or you can just go in front of the draft board and explain to them that you are a coward and refuse to fight. I mean, you aint gonna do anything other than that. lmfao

Like I said, I dare you.

I am not part of th government smart guy, LoL. Also America hasn't needed to enact a draft, but if we get into something serious where we lose a bunch of people and America is in danger, guess what? You are going to go to war LoL

.....so if you can't do it and the government won't, another way of saying that is................

LoL don't dare me, dare the US Government, thye are the ones gonna conscript you into the army! lmfao funny guy "I dare you" lmfao

Why in the world do you think the government won't ? LMFAO Man goodness .. you're a smart guy, stop acting so naive.

I've told you like three times. Read the thread again.

Like i said, you dare the government.

The person you're pulling the ol "tough as nails" routine on doesn't enact the draft. 😄

Someone somewhere will strike it down, right? lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wow. A court is going to let America in crisis go without a military.. lmfaooooooo I am sorry man, you are making me lol forreal.. lol

It can't possibly be news to you that the United States has fulfilled all of its military capabilities with a purely volunteer army for a very long time now.

Again this is a symptom of the average leftist being extremely selective in their reading of history and grasp of law. During the 1960s and early 1970s an entire generation of draft-bait aged college students tried like hell to get the draft ruled unconstitutional and illegal and . . . bounced. The result being that until the draft was ended, they trusted to luck to 'win' the selective service lottery or reluctantly entered military service when their number was indeed called or they ran off to Canada . . . where they stayed until a Dem Party president came along to pardon them for their illegal action.

Today's leftists evidently BELIEVE that they genuinely are special people and that emergency rules will never EVER apply to them . . . simply because they don't want them to apply.

We all know that another draft is unlikely but the sane and intelligent among us also know that if the draft does happen then all these privileged and pampered leftists will be just as much draft bait as any other citizen.

The very epitome of ignorance on how this works!
Stunning!

Now explain how the Government still mandates that one still has to register with the Selective Service, genius.

If there is a real war they will do more than try. We don’t “enforce” a draft, using your terminology here, because we haven’t had a war big enough to justify it that they couldn’t cover with volunteers:

You mean you dare the government to try.

Call em and tell em that.

Anybody gets drafted tell em this individual said its unconstitutional.

And you know it is, cause there was a meme comment posted saying so!

See! I am right!!

It is in the Second Amendment.
And it is law. Carter started the registration in case we went to war with Iran. I signed up for it when I turned 18, as did all others qualified. I'm not aware of anyone disputing the legality of it in all these decades since.

I've never heard of the Second Amendment being applied to justify the draft. I've heard it used to say that civilians can voluntarily form informal militias but that's not even close to an obligation to serve in them.

I never said it wasn't law, I KNOW it's law. I said it wasn't enforced because they know it will be struck right down if anyone tries to bring it back.

Where do you get this idea from? Except for a period from 1975-80 (disestablished by Ford, reestablished by Carter), the Selective Service System has been around in different forms for over a century. Shouldn't it have been challenged by now, particularly during and after the Vietnam War? Nothing in the law prevents an actual draft from being revived.

Well, because nobody has standing to challenge it until they're actually drafted. If you don't understand what standing means, talk to a lawyer about it.

There were MANY high profile challenges to the draft in the Vietnam war and you MUST have heard about at least some of them - it was world news and your history text book will surely have mentioned them. And that's really the main reason why Vietnam was the last time a draft was used in the United States - people started winning those challenges, publicly, on the news, and Congress realized that striking down the law entirely was really going to be the next step. Dropping the draft, pulling out of Vietnam, and then rewriting the laws to tone down the draft, was Congress seeing the writing on the wall and giving the draft a de facto retirement but symbolically leaving the door open behind them; if a court took it away from them forever, it would be gone forever, and they know that if they ever try to use it again that's exactly what will happen.

You created a narrative to validate your rhetoric.

People burning draft cards and dodging were arrested and imprisoned.

If there was a time for the supreme court to say the draft is unconstitutional it would have been when people were demonstrating against it nationwide.

Never forget Kent State!

Kent State was more about protesting US involvement in Vietnam and Cambodia but the draft was intermingled in the rhetoric due to the poor getting sent and the wealthy getting exempted.

How did anybody challenge it *successfully* if they had no standing? If any of the rest of this diatribe were remotely true, how was Carter able to reestablish SSS to begin with?

You gotta be doing this on purpose. I don't know how much more clear I could be about it.

To have standing, you need to be harmed by the law, i.e. drafted to be a soldier when you don't want to be one. So back when there WAS a draft, people HAD standing and challenged it. When we STOPPED drafting people, people STOPPED having standing.

I can't make it more clear than that! If you want to keep pretending like you don't understand how time works, that's really your own problem, not mine.

Not voluntary, obligatory, at the state's request.

Now, now, let's not play this game. You don't get to flip on this and say it's a gun owner's right thing now because you're trying to claim drafts are illegal. Or perhaps a class action suit on behalf of all thos formally drafted is something you can whip up?

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That you're actually 'arguing' (or I hope just joking?) that the 2A is for the KKK and Oath Keepers and other aspiring terrorists as well as various paint ball enthusiasts is just ludicrous.

The nascent USA couldn't even afford to mint money, let alone afford a standing army, so hence the need to conscript them. And it was done via the Second Amendment, often at the very local level in order to go after ecaped slaves or fight Native Americans - Davy Crockett is one famous person drafted into the latter - under Andrew Jackson who was serving as the commander of the Tennesse militia at the time. When Crockett wanted out after participating in the massacre 200 in a Creek village, he was forced to continue or have himself and his fellow conscripts shot.

I'd dare you to cite these challenges you refer to (other than deferments and draft dodgers during Vietnam), but to save us all the trouble of you not doing what you haven't done for obvious reasons, the only legit challenges to the draft's consitutionality have been in regards to it being male-only, to which it was declared that yes, male only draft is unconstitutional.

We're talking America, yes, and not some utterly gelded EU member pile of overly fermented dough bits trying to forget its ruthless blood dripping pre-WWII butcher days when they used starving First/'Third World' villagers as target practice as a display of Western Civilization's sheer awesomeness and good aim?

No. They just haven't needed it. But you keep on believing whatever lets you sleep at night. One day you might be WOKE and told to get your boots on and fall into formation. Male, female, won't matter this time, I mean same difference, right?

Your ignorance of how all of this works is absolutely staggering.
Awesome!

To be fair conservatives are starting to do a lot of things that has been ruled unconstitutional like trying to bring prayer back in the public school and other crap like that because they don't care about the constitution