Count the Actual Votes

Democrats know it is not in their best interest to do so

Upvote! In some states you can go on-line and confirm your vote. In other states, like Georgia, nothing. Why? Shouldn't we all, left/right/center, demand credible elections where citizens can audit their own vote? Who exactly fights against credible elections?

Almost everthing in life
I.D, data bases, surveillance, bar codes, serial numbers, signatures, proof of address

Voting:
Proof of existence and showing up is raysis

according to facebook fact checks (lmfao) ballots do have serial numbers , but they are removed when they are counted lmfao, " that way that can count them over and over again" LoL

I'm pretty sure they have serial numbers on them. At least in my state they do. They're not linked to the voter but it would make it easy to know if a ballot is counted more than once.

Regardless, that is an excellent idea. An idea Dems are sure to call racist.

Wanna bet that's a holdover from when Dems were royally screwing over Blacks and their rights after the civil war?

Every state should follow Florida's example. The red states would be more willing to adopt those laws but the blue states will reject them as racist. Libs moved in and took over California and New York just so they can control elections. Those 2 states would be that last to adopt any kind of anti-cheating legislation.

For some reason Georgia got overrun with libs and that is why they don't have strict voting laws.

What really bugs me about the libs is that any attempt to end voter fraud is called racist.

Apparently libs must think that blacks commit voter fraud and that why it's racist? Who knows.

Im not a techie but I have received several alerts over the years notifying me that my health information, credit card information, personal information, etc., was one of several thousands to millions of accounts that was accessed/compromised in each singular data breach/hacking event.

I don't pretend to know the methods employed, but i do know that financial institutions have some of the most sophisticated and secure systems there are.

Electronic voting and online voting are two different things. Pros and cons exist for both.

Paper ballots are bulky and tedious. On the other hand, they served us well for over 200 years. Pros and cons exist.

I don't have the definitive answer and neither do any of you that are vehemently arguing.

If one of us did there would be no discussion on the topic.

P.S. Don't get radicalized into thoughts of civil war. Don't take the bait. Countries under martial law do not have elections.

Frigging votes should be online, voters will require to sign in using 2FA before casting their online vote. Problem solved.

Anything online can be hacked, paper ballots with proper counting supervision as well as serial numbers that are not removed, is the only way for secure elections.

Lies. Go ahead and hack any of my accounts with 2FA. I dare you to try. Clearly you do not know how it works.

I watch banks get hacked, I watched a billionaire lose everything over a weekend from online currency, Then you get things like, "oh the servers are down", and how a magic hard drive with 100K votes just appear out of thin air. Doing important things online leaves way too much to be disputed.

When was that? Where did you get your information? What methods of hacking were used? Can you explain to me how the 2FA authentication method works? While yes, someone signing in from a hacked computer can expose themselves, it is just one account and requires lots of work. Hacking 165 million computers for the intention of rigging an election, does that sound reasonable to you? Are you really hearing yourself here? Go and hack 1 computer. It can take you hours to days depending on how you are doing it. Then try hacking 165 million more. You do not have enough lifetime to do it. So okay, go hack a secure government server...hmmmm see how that works for you. Then tell me vallot stuffing and people counting votes changing selected options in the vallots is safer....pffft.

You think I or a citizen needs to hack it? the enemy controls the f**king servers dude. come on man. You want to use a system of counting that is completely in the realm on control of the government ? lmfao also yes 2fa is a 2 step authorization , yes it can be hacked, https://www.csoonline.com/article/570795/how-to-hack-2fa.html
https://screenrant.com/two-factor-authentication-security-effective/

its not as hard as you are making it out to be bro. no need to attack me either , I am on your side.

You do realize that the articles you provided to hack a single 2FA account can take days, weeks, and even months. There were about 163 million votes last election, and I will be generous, since you only need to hack half of that number to secure the election. It will take you thousands of years to accomplish that with a team. The article you provided gave two examples I already provided, the others are meh at that. So yes, without wasting more of your our time. If the enemy already owns the server, then it is too late as they already own everything else. Nothing, with the exception of a civil war, can change election outcome.

Your final statement about a civil war being our only hope is where I am at this point. FBI working in tandem with political parties to subvert democracy was proven in 2020 between Weiner and the chick in the FBI, 2020 crushed my idea that America is a free country , I always knew money was the real power , but now it is at the point where the powers that be are obviously working to destroy America as we know it.. and i doubt that there is anything we can do at this point.

2FA can be set up fraudulently and then used to commit fraud.

Yeah, then it is your stupid fault for setting up your 2FA fraudently and getting that one account compromised, how long is it gonna take you to do that for all 82 million voters to secure your rigged election?

2FA is hackable by setting it up before the user does. There's also man in the middle scripts out there that'll get the job done in different scenarios. If there's a way out, there's a way in.

Dude I am not denying it is, I even provided 2 examples, but if you are going to rig an election you would need to hack the server instead of hacking a single account because it will take you thousands of years to hack hundredths of accounts, and you need to hack at least 83 million accounts to secure it. If you know so much, go ahead hack my computer. See how far you get. Prove me wrong. But it certainly is more secured than paper ballots.

Hey NinjaDogma it has been 3 days and you still have not been able to hack any of my devices. You are full of bull shit. Cheers!

Hey folks, if you need a place to stay it looks like you can live rent free in Fauscovai's head for a few days if you want

I guess if you have nothing else to say since you can't back up your comments, guess I will be thinking about how stupid your comment was for the rest of the time while you continue trying to hack my accouts. Hey folks, NinjaDogma is full of shit and can't back up what he says!

Reality check. I simply pointed out methods in which it is known a particular security feature can be hacked. You then challenged me to commit a felony by hacking you and since I didn't do it, I'm full of shit? I don't know how to do it, I know it can be done. There are white papers written about it. There is something wrong with you and I'm about ready to alert mods to your harassment.

you pointed it out things that was already discussed and I proved it was a fantasy, because would take thousands of years to hack. First you have to know my password, that can take time since is very long, then you would need to know which method of 2FA I am using, that right there is near impossible, and once you find out which method of 2FA I am using you need to figure out how to hack it, all that work just to have 1 single account. To win the election it is not possible to hack 2MFA, will take thousands of years. Period. Go cry like a baby to the mods, but let me remind you it was you who initiated the harassment by posting garbage trying to make me look like I did not know what I was talking about.

Lol yea because nothing paper with serial numbers can be faked. It’s super impossible.

its way easier to create digital votes, seemed like a hard drive with 100s of thousands of Biden votes would appear out of nowhere in battle ground states. They even proved that the votes could be duplicated 100 x over with little effort.

But that’s not what happened. And “they” didn’t prove anything.

Also the cyber ninjas didn’t find squat.

Trump lost. Get over it.

I was over it in 2020, I am worried about future elections. Hackers Can Compromise Electronic Voting
By far, the biggest disadvantage of an electronic voting machine is election hacking. As with any electronic device, there is always the risk that someone could illegally alter the results of an election.

This could be done either through physical tampering or a remote attack over the internet. Allowing people to vote using their own devices could pose major risks as well. A malicious agent could change millions of electronic votes undetected. Changing that many paper ballots would be impossible not to notice.

Fraud Is Easier With Electronic Voting
Skeptics of the electronic voting solution claim that fraud can occur digitally. When going to a polling location, voters in most countries are required to provide a form of photo ID to confirm that they are the registered voter they claim to be. While fraud for in-person voting is possible, it requires a false photo ID, which is hard to come across.

With online voting, voter identification would have to occur with some other type of credential. This could include Social Security numbers, dates of birth, driver's license numbers, or some other unique identifier.

The problem with using these types of verification is that anyone who obtains these pieces of information could log in and cast a vote for someone else. If someone obtained a large amount of these identifiers with a data breach, they would be able to cast thousands of fraudulent votes.

Manufacturer Bias Can Influence Votes
Another issue is how electronic voting systems are designed. These would be created and distributed by a private company, who will likely keep their source code locked away. Elections can have a huge effect on business, so company bias becomes an element when purchasing voting machines or systems.

When the government hires a company to implement its electronic voting machines, it's trusting said company to accurately collect and report its votes. There's no guarantee that this will occur, and many believe that no system should ever be implemented if it can't guarantee fair and unbiased voting.

this only became an issue to the GOP when they started losing everywhere. They need policy changes not voting machine changes. Paper ballots are exponentially susceptible to election fraud vs electronic voting machines. Anywhere you have human interaction, there is room for human error (at best) and fraud/criminal acts (at worst.)

I am not sure mobile devices are a great way to vote, but showing up to a voting booth and hitting buttons on a machine that is not "hooked up" to the internet seems pretty safe.

Also as per the exchange above, it's important to remember that ALL RIGHTS are regulated relative to the risks associated with the right and the consequences of that right on others. So, while the *privilege* of some things like driving or buying beer require an ID, a RIGHT to vote may not need that level of regulation. Right to bare arms is regulated differently than speech or voting as well.

If an enemy country hacked into our election servers , they would be able to change election results en masse within hours. Paper ballots are far more secure in terms of mass fraud. I do not care which party brings up the issues of election security because this is a problem that effects all Americans, regardless of their political affiliation. There should be no question in American elections, in 2016 the dems blamed Russia, in 2020 , republicans claimed election fraud. We can eliminate this completely with proper secure voting standards. Perhaps MFA with voter ID that correlates to a serial number, like a drivers license number. This is an issue that can be resovled if everyone gets on board and stops accusing the other of this and that.

What "election servers?" The Russian "fraud" was misinformation. Not "hacking" into "election servers."

If anything like that had happened (hacking) it would be very easy to see and prove.

You keep bringing up trump, I have not mentioned him once. I don't know why you are so fervently trying to make this discussion about 2020. My point is and was and will be , that online voting is riddled with issues , and if we don't address them, we will never have secure election. I get it, you hate trump, that is fine.. can we secure future elections now?

Wtf is “online voting?” You’re just regurgitating non sense.

we would never know. Our Government has been compromised for decades if not longer. We have a uniparty that is run by big money, The servers that have collected the voting data are owned by companies , companies will do what ever the person wants that pays them the most. You know that and I know that. Paper ballots can be hand counted, there is physical evidence of a vote with paper ballots. Votes should be tallied live with multiple safe gaurds such as online security that can detect suspicious activity , like massive vote dumps that don't make sense, and human security watching the voting spaces.

“Vote dumps” happen because some states require votes be added after a certain time. But they are counted and calculated prior to the “release” time. This is all normal. It wasn’t an issue until Trump lost.

They recounted over and over. He lost.

ffs kid, digital voting.

Where is “digital voting?”

WTF are you talking about ?

go to google and in the web search type in " d i g i t a l v o t i n g ".

60+ years of “electronic” voting. Worked fine until Trump loses.

Weird.

yea , I want secure elections in the future so the election that happened almost 4 years ago now changes and trump actually wins...

You’re only concerned with this NOW because trump lost. That’s it. This wasn’t an issue prior to him losing.

Trump AND bush lost the popular vote and won the presidency. No one questioned the elections to this degree. It’s sad.

Sore losers. Get over it.

In our short interaction , you mentioned Trump 5 times. You need to seek out help, the amount of hate you have for no reason, is going to destroy you.

That’s because he’s the root of all this “voter fraud” nonsense. I don’t hate the guy. He’s an evil moron but I don’t hate him.

popular vote never mattered in our elections, I know your type gets confused about the rules in a republic. Its so weird to hate someone so much that you never met and never did anything to you.. it is almost like a mental illness. But then again TDS is a mental condition.

Lol confused about rule? Look in the mirror

TDS - trump defense syndrome? You’re right. Mental disorder indeed.