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Preserve The Dem Hypocrites | OBAMA KEEPS 30 MILLION CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AT HOFFMAN ESTATES
 IN ILLINOIS; TRUMP KEPT 11 THOUSAND CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AT MAR-A-LAGO; WHO GOT RAIDED ?
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5 ups, 2y,
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So . . .
We can conclude that if Trump stored his 11 thousand documents at Hoffman Estates, they never would have been raided and taken.

Got it.
2 ups, 2y
Yup... double standards apply
1 up, 2y
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But.......... OBAMAAAA!!!!
2 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Or worse, that Trump can break the law if others are allowed to.

Which they didn’t.

The Hoffman Estates is a federal archiving facility and is the address to Obama’s Presidential Library, not Obama’s private home. Obama doesn’t own the library anymore than Trump owns the documents that are suppose to be turned over to the NARA.

Now, I know in Trump’s deluded mind he is still President but legally he is not, nor ever will be again.

Further, the NARA nor any of the Presidential archives are not suppose to store classified documents. In the event that they do find such items, they are turned over to the NSA. Formerly classified documents may be presented to the NARA, but these take time and scrutiny so that any security information is no longer relevant as it would be between two immediate administrations.

The rumor of this information coming from Trump himself makes this dubious given his self-interest to be allowed through precedent, since he has none.
1 up, 2y,
1 reply
You mean the precedent where he declassified all the documents? Failure to know the basic facts.
1 up, 2y,
1 reply
He can’t declassify documents with his mind nor did he utilize the proper procedure.
1 up, 2y,
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There is no procedure. He literally just says "these are declassified". Even snopes had to admit this.
0 ups, 2y
I have a suspicion of contextual inaccuracy. And I honestly have been searching “Trump”“declassified” “declassify” and “snopes” for an hour. Perhaps it was politifact or… hmm can’t think of the other… oh, yes! Fact-check.org you mean?

Either case, Snopes kept taking me to associates press reports, which were valid, and did indeed say the President has the authority but it doesn’t explicitly state that a verbal acknowledgement is enough, nor whether he had the authority to do so during the move, since by then, he may have been a former President at the time. Which, I’ll admit, is unlikely even if you were correct. I believe the packing and moving takes place well before Biden’s inauguration. So he may have certainly had the authority before taking the documents off the premises.

In fact, mistakingly taking documents off premises isn’t even a crime according to the Associated Press. It became criminal when he knowingly withheld them after his attorneys signed documents swearing all classified information has been removed from his personal residence(s).

Still, this article from fact-check.org appears to contradict your claim.

“The procedure is far more formal,” said Immerman, who is now a historian at Temple University. “Documents must be declassified page by page; in fact, if TS/SCI [Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information] line by line. The document then is marked declassified (often sanitized) by the authorizing agent along with the date. Consequently, former President Trump’s claim is to me implausible.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/trumps-dubious-standing-order-to-declassify-documents/

Of course, Immerman may be in error.

By all means, tell me what you found on snopes as my searches haven’t found anything that confirms your claim.
6 ups, 2y
3 ups, 2y,
1 reply
3 ups, 2y
I just put them on my server which got hacked every time the Clinton foundation got a huge donation. What's a puter?
0 ups, 2y
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2022/8/12/23303386/obama-presidential-library-records-documents-classified-unclassified-trump-search-warrant
3 ups, 2y
3 ups, 2y
1 up, 2y
wow.... evidence about Obama after he was potus... "after"... ??? how can you support a traitor>?
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5 ups, 2y,
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Too bad you don't know what you're talking about :(

"August 12, 2022, statement
The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama Presidential records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the Presidential Records Act (PRA). NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA. Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration."
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4 ups, 2y
So, where's the 30 million CLASSIFIED documents? Because according to this statement by NARA, they weren't even classified...
2 ups, 2y
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4 ups, 2y,
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Hoffman Estates is a federal archiving facility, not his private home.

That's exactly what is SUPPOSED to happen to classified documents.
1 up, 2y,
1 reply
Trump didn't have classified documents.
1 up, 2y,
1 reply
0 ups, 2y,
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Nope the moment he took them home they were declassified. No paperwork or procedure needed. Even Snopes agrees. Please try to keep up.
0 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Yes, you’ve said that but failed to back that up.
0 ups, 2y,
1 reply
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/12/heres-how-government-docs-are-classified-to-keep-sensitive-info-safe/
Please keep up.
0 ups, 2y
I guess you just read what you wanted to read. Some quotes out of that “article”

“taking classified documents home is prohibited by executive order.”

“However, the president has ultimate declassification authority and may declassify anything at any time, subject to certain provisions of the Atomic Energy Act.”

However, just because the President has the authority to do so does not mean that he can declassify information without proper procedure. Because Trump claims to have declassified the documents in his possession, none of the existing copies of the documents were recognized as he gave no authorization to the agencies responsible for handling the information. So, even if you were right, they’ve been treating the so-called “declassified” information as classified. But since Trump is no longer President, he does not have that authority after he left office and granted that authority to his successor.

There are two possibilities. Either Trump is right but incompetently failed to inform that information that he had chosen, in private, to be declassified had been treated as classified this entire time. Wasting time and money of those handling the wrongfully classified information.

Trump is lying and doesn’t want to be prosecuted for mishandling classified information.

Occam’s razor points to Trump is lying.

Further, just because it was on Snopes doesn’t mean they condoned anything in the article.

“This article by Jeffrey Fields is republished here with permission from The Conversation. This content is shared here because the topic may interest Snopes readers; it does not, however, represent the work of Snopes fact-checkers or editors.”

So, you’ve been wrong this whole time.
7 ups, 2y,
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1 up, 2y,
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1 up, 2y,
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Oh wait, Hillary did have something to do with secret emails...
2 ups, 2y
Those emails were planted by the FBI and she declassified them by thinking about it.
:P
2 ups, 2y
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